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You can delete Heather Savage from the game, she passed away over the weekend as a result of a car accident. Also tick trainer for Taiji Ishimori. He has been helping Tom Prichard, Bobby Eaton, and Harley Race at Race's Wrestling Camp.

According to cagematch he wrestled a couple times in January of 2013. That is more recent than some still in the game. I think non-wrestler would work fine, he could pop up at some indy event if the money was right I'm sure.

There's two of them. Sorry they aren't too good, I haven't done any in a while and still never mastered it too well.

I think their point is he is still with NJPW and until he shows up at AJPW he should stay in New Japan. I do agree on the gimmicks though. If they are in the game it doesn't matter if they are retired or not I think gimmicks should be updated because they could always come back.

where did you hear that last part? I know its still a month away and we don't know how it will work out yet, how will the WWE Network affect the game? I mean should it be included in the networks, and should NXT be added to the list of WWE shows since it will be on the network? Also how will having the PPV's on the network effect the PPV's in general? Just a bit curious on thoughts on this from people.

Fantasy booking? If you are doing that use a fantasy scenario, or just modify a current one to your liking. These are to be real stats, not what we remember them as. We aren't saying he can't do it at all, but his stats should be altered significantly. When your bread and butter involves talking and you can't talk very well anymore, than you don't deserve to have high stats in talking situations (i.e. manager).

Has this been confirmed? Last I heard they kept them off TNA to promote the fight that never happened. I just figured they would be re-introduced at some point. Speaking of which, how does King Mo fit into TNA now? Since TNA dumped OVW, is he still training there? Not sure what his status should be, as I figure he would be re-introduced on TNA at some point.

Not sure I would make Ion as the manager because he doesn't really manage them. However, he hasn't been wrestling on Impact lately, so for morale purposes I guess that makes sense. I would have Robbie be the leader though. I found out the other day that Prime Wrestling closed down, so you can remove them from potential new feds to add.

They are already in the data, why wait? Just make them active again, it's not like they have to be added. Don't get me wrong, I agree WWE doesn't always follow through with short-term booking, but this is a current update why wait two months to add teams that don't appear to be one-offs. As for the AJ and Kaitlyn, they have a reason for them teaming, its Total Divas vs. the other divas. It doesn't mean they will be friendly, it just means they are on the same team. I'm sure they will go at it at some point possibly costing each other a pinfall or something. Also as for D-Lo and other people that need updated stats, you need to make suggestions. Even if people dispute them, its a starting point and allows for discussion. Just saying they need to be updated doesn't do much.

If you mean that the team shouldn't still be in the data anyways, I agree. If you mean waiting a month or two to make them an tag team (or in this case reactivate them) I disagree. They mention new tag team partner so its not a random one-off pairing.It appears to be a full-time team.

Relationship Name 1 Name 2 Loyalty Al Snow Maven Loyalty Al Snow Nidia Loyalty Al Snow John Morrison Loyalty Al Snow John Morrison Friendship Edge Joe E. Legend Friendship Christian Joe E. Legend Friendship Rhino Joe E. Legend Friendship Amy Dumas Joey Mercury Friendship Amy Dumas Christian York Loyalty Jimmy Snuka The Rock Friendship Triple H Justin Credible Friendship Shawn Michaels Justin Credible Loyalty Matt Hyson Paul Heyman Dislike Roddy Piper Hulk Hogan Friendship Brock Lesnar Shelton Benjamin Friendship Shawn Stasiak Chuck Palumbo Friendship Shawn Stasiak Sean O'Haire Friendship Shawn Stasiak Mike Sanders Friendship Shawn Stasiak Marco Corleone Friendship Chuck Palumbo Sean O'Haire Friendship Chuck Palumbo Mike Sanders Friendship Chuck Palumbo Marco Corleone Friendship Sean O'Haire Mike Sanders Friendship Sean O'Haire Marco Corleone Friendship Mike Sanders Marco Corleone Friendship Shawn Michaels Brian Kendrick I was using the September data and went through the first 200 relationships. I didn't mention most of The Samoans relationships because I didn't know where to start. However I posted on here just to get an opinion on if any of these should stay. At one point I will start posting them in the actual suggestion thread, but I kind of wanted a general guideline from some people before I posted all of them in there. With the exception of Hogan-Piper (which I don't know the story on), I figured most of these could be deleted on the basis most of these are 10 years or so old and I don't think they would still be the case today. Just because people talk to each other doesn't make them real good friends *i.e. they wouldn't lose sleep if they weren't working in the same fed or lose morale. The only exception besides Hogan-Piper, could be Hyson and Heyman could be amended to friendship, but I still don't think it needs to be included. So I guess my other reason for posting is how close of a friendship do people need to have in real life to be considered a friendship in the game? Name dropping in interviews to me seem to be a stretch, but seeing pictures popping up all the time of friends I can understand. Also, should loyalty still be between trainers and students? I say no, just because trainers help a lot of people so they could be linked to TONS of people in game where in real life they may not have contact with them once the students graduate.

It's just my opinion but I still think we should cut out the inflated relationships and tag teams who haven't teamed in many years before removing workers. Then we can see how smooth the game runs and how long it takes. I think that would help a lot. I have no problem with the long loading time, but I do understand those that do. Now I have a question, we are discussing the theories and such in here, but has anyone made suggestions in the suggestion thread yet about these theories? I'm just asking because if we don't start doing it, aren't we just running around in circles?

Just to bring something up since we've been discussing tag teams- is there a reason Robert Gibson isn't in the game (or did I miss him somewhere?) I find it odd that Rock & Roll Express isn't in the game even though they still compete. I'm not saying he needs to be added (or else I would put it in the suggestions thread), but I do wonder now if there are other aging tag teams that are not in the game for whatever reason.

I could go with that, with maybe exception to B. I think if were can eliminate A, C, and D, then we can see where we are at and go from there. Sometimes teams like Mysterio and HBK were thrown together then a couple years down the road storylines would cross and they would team up again. I'm not against keeping them in the game (which in this case since HBK is retired, this team could be deleted). 2008 though seems to be a good cutoff point initially just to cut some of the excess down that may not need to be kept in.

Goldust wasn't on TV for over a year was he? I say 5 years just so that we don't have cases where people are added and deleted just because they don't appear in a couple years. If they don't show up for a few years its a lot less likely they will come back on a consistent basis.

Nobody is arguing against Shawn Michaels still being in the data, though. They're saying that when Giant Gonzalez is still kicking around in there, it's time to purge. I just used him as a recent example. Somebody mentioned Edge earlier (maybe not to remove him but as an example as well). Though I do agree someone like Gonzalez should be removed (especially since he passed away in 2010). Kamala could be another example as I doubt he wouldn't be used in a multi-week storyline. I think the first thing though is removing some of the relationships, then we can weed out some of the retired workers. I think maybe if a 5 year limit would be good. If they haven't wrestled or been used more than a couple times since say 2008, we could start removing them.

I don't think it can really be changed unless we put no owner in charge and let the game pick one. Personally I don't believe the rumor, but even if it was true, I would wait until after it was sold to make any change. Nikki Roxx I saw is announcing her retirement after her December 6th match for Lucky Promotions Wrestling Show. Guess its a little early to make her a non-worker, but something to keep track of for future reference. I have a question about the game? How should this AJ Styles storyline work in EWR? He is taking bookings for other promotions (AAA for one), and defending the TNA title. I know he will be back in TNA at some point, but should we give him an open contract? I can't remember, is it possible to be unsackable in one company and have an open contract (work for other feds)? If so I think that would be a good temporary solution until he returns full time to TNA.

I don't want to get into all this on most of the other stuff, but have a couple thoughts on non workers and relationships. Non-workers- I don't have a problem keeping them in. Shawn Michaels doesn't wrestle anymore, but still shows up on occasion. When he shows up, people want to use him in their game in some capacity. It may seem like it just takes a couple seconds to add them back in, but when you just have 4 or 5 guys a month you need to add just because they pop up a few times a year, it makes more sense just to keep them in. I do agree though that their stats do need to decrease over time though. Bill has stated many times that he has a few pages of backlog that he tries to work on each month in addition to the suggestions made by people. No need to make more pages just to add/remove people who are still alive and in the game. Relationships- I have said for a long time that there are way too many in the game. I've even used the argument that anywhere you work you create friends and people you dislike. Unless they are best friend/mortal enemy, you won't lose sleep (or morale) just because coworkers are fired. If they are relatives that a different case. I think we could probably cut half of the friendships out of the game and it would speed the start time up and would still be accurate. Really the only friendships that need to be kept are ones like HBK and HHH that are so obvious that they are more loyalty than friendship. As for the MMA stuff, eh whatever. I'm not going to lose sleep over what the decision ends up being. I say it has worked the way it has for so long that nothing really needs to be changed. Maybe we make sure that suggestions made for the shooting being ticked is realistic or makes some sort of sense. I heard Harry Smith was training in MMA so I could see him having it ticked, but someone like Kofi- not so much.

Unless he has done something different in the last couple month's I would disagree on Rickey Shane Page being menacing. I also think he should be paid less than Krimson. I would change Krimson's wages to 9000 and Page's to 7000. I also think Krimson's charisma is fine where it's at. He's good but putting him any higher would move him into one of the better ones in the game and I'm not sure I can agree with that. Otherwise among the ones I know of, I would agree with, keep it up.