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  1. Haven't played this in forever, but I'm probably going to try out the new TEW game that's coming out soon. Will you be converting this database for the new version or are you sticking with TEW2013?
  2. I think Bitch would be more appropriate considering she (Paige) has been pretending to be her friend since AJ returned.
  3. Check Fonz Factor for each of the artists formerly known as The Shield (Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, and Dean Ambrose)? To me anyway, each of them has a natural 'main-event level' charisma, 'it' factor or whatever you want to call it that is just unparalleled by 95% of the roster.
  4. Why not be as accurate as possible? The stats, imo, shouldn't be set in accordance to what may or may not/can or can not happen when you start your specific game but as an accurate reflection of reality PRIOR to when you start your game.
  5. Since there's some Chris Jericho discussion, I went ahead and looked all the legends signed to WWE in the May update: Lower Bret Hart's overness to 83 (He gets reaction closer to Dusty and Piper than he does HBK and Flair) Lower Chris Jericho's overness to 92 (Batista could have easily been put in the same spot Jericho was in during his last return, and until he started embracing the heel role wasn't any more over than him.) Lower Kevin Nash's overness to 82 (puts him on par with Booker T, who got a similar/slightly better reaction during their RR returns a few years ago) Lower Undertaker's overness to 96 (100!? Seriously!? He ain't Hogan, Austin, or Rock. He should be exactly the same as Shawn Michaels, who I think is at the right number.) Also, I think it should be noted that they're considered legendary for what they did at or near their peaks, not how much the crowd cares about them today other than the initial nostalgia pop(s). That's more a comment on Bret than anything because I feel people would be against lowering his overness just because he's Bret Hart.
  6. Kane's gimmick should be changed to Demon. If you look at the "writing staff" feature in-game and ask about possible gimmicks, the description it gives is spot on (and he's the example for the gimmick). "This worker has a demonic quality to him - he uses his size, power, and fury to crush his opponents into the mat. Eg: Kane"
  7. The thing about Jerry Lawler is that he would merit that ratings at his peak, and I know charisma never changes in game, but he just doesn't have it like he used to. Jerry Lawler's commentary doesn't warrent a 93 to me anymore. Maybe that shouldn't really be considered, but I would (and did in my game) lower it by 5 to 86. I don't know about putting Paul Heyman as high as Ric Flair or Mick Foley, who are two of like the top 5 ever at cutting promos in my opinion. I think him and Punk should be more or less equal so 96 works for both to me. I know it's just one point but I would leave JBL's alone too. The rest are pretty solid. Edit: And I agree with the above post that some of the older guys have probably lost a step due to age and/or not consistently doing it anymore, but idk if given something serious to do they wouldn't knock it out of the park. Jerry Lawler was a different case to me because I hear him every single week.
  8. I wouldn't lower Punk's charisma lower than 95. 95 seems perfect to me actually. I would put him right up there as one of the top 50 of all time (although obviously he probably didn't make the wwe.com list but idk). That would put him on the same level of Heyman as far as promos go, but he doesn't have the presence that John Cena has, for example, and Cena's at 97 so it really shouldn't be higher than that imo.
  9. This. No one thinks that ending the streak makes one unique, but an argument can be made that since they are playing up his uniqueness (which existed prior to the match/promo) we should consider it GIVEN CM Punk is less unique than Brock Lesnar or Paul Heyman but has it. If you think Brock is just a dime-a-dozen giant mauler that's fine. I disagree, but if you think another Brock Lesnar is coming around, who am I to say you're wrong. I just don't see how you could see CM Punk as anything but a loudmouth rebel who cut tamer "shoot" promos than I've heard from Shane Douglas, for instance. Daniel Bryan is already so similar to what CM Punk was (small, indy guy who was held down by the establishment but isn't afraid to speak his mind and gets ahead by just being better than his peers) that he isn't exactly one-of-a-kind. But enough of that... I would also suggest that Mr. McMahon be set to unique. There is more substance to his character than just 'Authority Figure' or even 'Evil Boss'. We will probably never see a character quite like Vince ever again. He was in prior updates wasn't he? Why the change? Edit: Set Dusty Rhodes' gimmick to unique as well.
  10. Winning a pre-determined match does not make one unique. Yeah...and? Maybe you should consider that second sentence within the context established in the rest of the post. His gimmick is LITERALLY that he is the most unique athlete to ever grace a WWE ring and he actually IS the most physically gifted athlete they have ever had. He transcended pro wrestling itself by becoming a credible athlete in an actual sport AFTER he broke into professional wrestling, came back, and was a infinitely bigger star than when he left. He has done more to establish himself as one of a kind than, for example, a guy who did a couple worked shoots and whose character was frustrated with the status quo (you know like countless guys before him). The thesis of the post, which you so clearly ignored/missed, is that he is comparably more unique than someone who ALREADY has it set as their gimmick. "If Brock isn't going to be set to unique, then remove it from CM Punk as well." CM Punk is comparable with other guys. Brock Lesnar is undisputedly less so and imo not at all. That's the actual point I was making. I only vaguely referenced "a pre-determined match" because that is where the catchphrase "the 1 in 21-1" came from. That was one half-sentence in a 200+ word post....
  11. Brock Lesnar's gimmick is LITERALLY that he is the only man in history that can do what he does. He's the 1 in 21-1... I'm not saying he should 100% be unique. I can see the argument against it. But given what his gimmick has evolved into and the fact that he really is unique from a physical/athletic standpoint (and that's not just a fact but actually played up in his character), he deserves it much more than CM Punk. If we never see CM Punk again, are we really considering him legendary? It would be as if HBK was considered unique in 1998 when he had to retire originally. Shawn was great back then...amazing even...but legendary? If Brock isn't going to be set to unique, then remove it from CM Punk as well. Hulk Hogan should be unique though. Period. If anyone else could be Hogan, we would have seen one of the countless imitations succeed anywhere near that level. Daniel Bryan (who also should not be unique yet if ever) is already in the same position that CM Punk was before he left...unique is irreplacable. Edit: I would also vote for Paul Heyman as unique over CM Punk. Since 2001 when he joined WWE, there hasn't been a single person that matches what he can do on the microphone or as a character without being the one going into the ring himself.
  12. Correct. The best option would be to set him to "sitting out of contract" or whatever the wording is. But is that even possible outside of using arsenic in-game? That is until they officially let him go, which is very likely considering how they handled the Stone Cold situation in 2002.
  13. Lower Antonio Cesaro's overness to 76 Lower Brie Bella's overness to 70 Lower Christian's overness to 82 Lower Darren Young's overness to 64 Lower David Otunga's overness to 56 Lower Evan Bourne's overness to 57 (absolute max, could be lower) Lower Hunico's overness to 56 Lower JBL's overness to 82 Lower Luke Harper's overness to 72 Lower Titus O'Neil's overness to 64 Lower Tyson Kidd's overness to 60 Lower Zack Ryder's overness to 60 Additional WWE notes: - Alisha Ceraso has a corporate job with WWE now so she should be removed as a worker and moved to staff (I would butcher any staff stats so I cannot provide anything that would be accurate) - Add Bob Backlund to an open contract. - Lower Chris Jericho's overness to 95 as well. He is a legitimate star, but he was not a ratings or buyrate mover on the level of Brock Lesnar, for example, last time he was around. I perceive him is on the same legendary level as Ric Flair, Bret Hart or Mick Foley - Add DDP to an open contract. Idk if he officially has a legend's contract, but he is often a talking head and keeps getting brought in for the old school stuff. More regular than someone like Rikishi. - Finlay should be moved from wrestler to staff (road agent). I know there was a debate about this type of thing before but I'm just throwing it out there since it seems at least while he is with WWE he will not be wrestling in any capacity. - Hunico's position should be lowered to a developmental deal. Same as Camacho. - Add Jim Duggan to an open contract. - Joey Mercury should be moved from wrestler to staff (trainer). Hasn't wrestled since 2010. No since in keeping him as a wrestler if we're shooting for realism. No one is jumping to re-add Sgt. Slaughter as a worker, for example, even though he has wrestled more recently. - John Laurinaitis should be moved from wrestler to staff (road agent). Once again if we're not going to re-add all the guys that may make an appearance like Sgt. Slaughter or Ted DiBiase than it's just a unnecessary double standard and he should be removed. - Kevin Nash should be removed. Legend deals are iffy, but I think the only one's that should stay are ones that do regular stuff like the panels or appear on the Old School Raws. - Rob Van Dam should be removed. Same as Chris Jericho he isn't officially under contract as of today (I wouldn't count out either returning at the Rumble is why I say that but until that happens I think we should plan for them to be removed). - Robbie Brookside should be moved from wrestler to staff(?). Idk much about whether he still takes indy booking, but I am under the presumption that if you are working for WWE you aren't working anywhere else, and he has yet to work a match in WWE. - Add Roddy Piper to an open contract. - Add Ron Simmons to an open contract. - Ryan Katz and Sara Del Rey should be moved from wrestler to staff(?). See: Robbie Brookside. Alicia Fox should be at 63, she is just above Aksana. Antonio Cesaro should be at 78. Swagger barely gets any heat on his own. Brie Bella should be at about 72. Total Divas got her decently over. Chris Jericho gets more of a reaction than Batista so I would make them equals at 96. Christian's overness is fine as is. The crowds respond to him when he is active. Darren Young should be at 66. Evan Bourne should be at 68 and no lower. The guy is over because fans know him for the shooting star press. Hunico notes: JBL still gets fan chants during boring matches (not even Post Mania) so I would make him at about 85. Luke Harper should be at 73 if Rowan is at 72. He does have notice from the indies. Nikki Bella should be at about 70. Rob Van Dam is under contract but is part-time and works three months on, three months off. Titus O'Neil should be at 68 as he is seemingly getting the overness out of the two PTP. Tyson Kidd should be at 62. Zack Ryder should be at 64 IMO. He can get an OK fan pop similar to a Koko B. Ware but not many people take him serious when it comes to a match. The legend contract is touchy because some do show up semi-regularly, others don't. I would not switch Brookside, Katz, Laurenitis and Del Rey to staff, they are young enough to return to the indies if they are let go. Compare that to Finlay who would likely be retiring into month two. I am not sure on Mercury. I would agree on Ceraso being removed. I think she works Admin with WWE so just get rid of her altogether. I can definitely see the argument against raising Batista's overness too high since it was just one week, but at the same time, he should not be any lower than Jericho. The only time one of Chris Jericho's returns made an impact on the level of Batista's as far as viewership was coming off the show that aired Christmas, which never does that well. Last Monday was built around his return as far as what was heavily advertised and he helped increased viewership a lot (the viewership went back to normal after the first hour once the focus had completely shifted). Different circumstances maybe because of the longer layoff so maybe have them both at 95 for now? I would also argue that all the JBL chants mean is he is more over than whoever happens to be wrestling so I wouldn't consider that a reason to keep his overness that high. Reminds me of when Larry Zbyzsko used to get chants back in WCW on Nitro whenever there was a lull...they just had nothing better to do really. Also I just really doubt that your average fan even remembers Evan Bourne at all let alone remembers the SSP being his spot, but it is hard to gauge since according to profightdb he has only had one match (non-televised I believe) period since January 2012. Two years is a long layoff for someone that was never above midcard status in the first place to be remembered/cared about. I couldn't/wouldn't put up much of an argument for the rest of your re-edits though. As far as TNA (didn't look at ROH nor am I familiar enough with the product to judge) yeah just looking at some of the overnesses I agree with you ModestATT on that. It seems like they were made without keeping in mind their relation to wrestlers in bigger promotions. AJ Styles at the same level of Big Show is absolutely ludicrous. Coming in I would imagine he would be closer to Cesaro's level (higher still because Claudio was never as big as AJ at any point) so maybe shoot for keeping the tip-top TNA guys in the low 80s besides Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy like you said. Maybe they could be lowered a little (I wouldn't) but remain in the high 80s at least and everyone else be adjusted to fit the low 80s being the ceiling. The promotion level should probably be altered to fit that being the realistic overness for main eventers too.
  14. WARNING: HUGE POST There have been a handful of proposed WWE changes, but I think there needs to be a fairly major overhaul on overness. I feel like a lot of them get inflated for whatever reason, but a lot of WWE talent are not nearly as over as their overness would lead you to believe. I think the problem is that the stats are increased without keeping in mind that they should be looked at in relation to other's overness. Just my opinion obviously, but just looking at the overness numbers, it seems like people are just increasing them by only looking at that particular wrestler and not looking at what that number means next to someone else that has a number close to it. Additionally, the more people that are at that level diminishes the significance of it. There should be more of a difference between the most and least over wrestler on the card, you know? What does it matter if Dean Ambrose is at 86 (just using this number to make the point...haven't looked at his specific number yet) if Kofi Kingston is at 83 (same)? In real life, Dean Ambrose plays a much more significant role on the major shows, but if you just look at the numbers, it seems as if Kofi is at that same level and in-game could easily be pushed as such just as Dean Ambrose could be. That does not accurately reflect real life because Kofi Kingston would take much more effort to be received at even the level of a Dean Ambrose. His overness should reflect the level of difficulty it would take for fans to buy him at an uppercard level. BTW, I think Mancuerda's 1998 scenario is a good example of distinctive overness levels where the midcard guys are significant behind the main eventers. I am trying to use his distinctiveness as a guideline. Here's a list of the changes I would make: *spoiler tags are for the reasoning behind them...I assume it would be easier for Bill1996 to compile the potential stat changes first without having to wade through a bunch of other text and then go back to it* Lower AJ Lee's overness to 80 Lower Alberto Del Rio's overness to 81 Lower Alicia Fox's overness to 62 Lower Antonio Cesaro's overness to 76 Lower Bad News Barrett's overness to 70 Raise Batista's overness to 96 Lower Big Show's overness to 90 Raise Billy Gunn's overness to 83 Lower Booker T's overness to 81 and charisma to 90 Raise Bray Wyatt overness to 86 and charisma to 89 Lower Brie Bella's overness to 70 Lower Brock Lesnar's overness to 96 Lower Brodus Clay's overness to 63 Raise Cameron's overness to 66 Lower Christian's overness to 82 Lower Curt Hawkins's overness to 56 (absolute max, could be lower) Lower Curtis Axel's overness to 75 Lower Damien Sandow's overness to 78 Raise Daniel Bryan's overness to 98 Lower Darren Young's overness to 64 Lower David Otunga's overness to 56 Lower Dolph Ziggler's overness to 80 Lower Drew McIntyre's overness to 62 Lower Evan Bourne's overness to 57 (absolute max, could be lower) Lower Ezekiel Jackson to 56 (absolute max, could be lower) Lower Fandango's overness to 76 Lower Heath Slater's overness to 62 Lower Hornswoggle's overness to 62 Lower Jack Swagger's overness to 75 Lower Jerry Lawler's overness to 83 Raise both Jey & Jimmy Uso's overness to 79 Lower JBL's overness to 82 Lower JTG's overness to 56 (absolute max, could be lower) Lower Justin Gabriel's overness to 60 Lower Kane's overness to 87 Lower Kofi Kingston's overness to 76 Lower Layla's overness to 64 Lower Luke Harper's overness to 72 Lower Mark Henry's overness to 84 Raise Naomi's overness to 68 Lower Natalya's overness to 70 Lower Nikki Bella's overness to 70 Lower Rey Mysterio's overness to 81 Raise Road Dogg's overness to 83 Raise Roman Reigns's overness to 87 Lower Rosa Mendes's overness to 62 Lower R-Truth's overness to 70 Lower Ryback's overness to 80 Lower Santino Marella's overness to 78 Raise Seth Rollins's overness to 85 Raise Stephanie McMahon's overness to 92 Lower Tensai's overness to 61 Lower The Miz's overness to 77 Lower Theodore Long's overness to 70 Lower Titus O'Neil's overness to 64 Lower Triple H's overness to 95 Lower Tyson Kidd's overness to 60 Lower Undertaker's overness to 99 Lower Vickie Guerrero's overness to 82 Lower William Regal's overness to 70 Raise Xavier Wood's overness to 58 Lower Yoshi Tatsu's overness to 56 (absolute maximum, could be lower) Lower Zack Ryder's overness to 60 Lower Zeb Colter's overness to 81 Additional WWE notes: - Alisha Ceraso has a corporate job with WWE now so she should be removed as a worker and moved to staff (I would butcher any staff stats so I cannot provide anything that would be accurate) - Andrea Lynn should be removed. She was Fandango's original dancer but has since been replaced. - Add Bob Backlund to an open contract. - Camacho's position should be lowered to a developmental deal. He has only been at 3 main card tapings since September 2012. - Chris Jericho, while he would never work for another company, is not currently signed with WWE at least not publicly as of today so he should be removed. - Lower Chris Jericho's overness to 95 as well. He is a legitimate star, but he was not a ratings or buyrate mover on the level of Brock Lesnar, for example, last time he was around. I perceive him is on the same legendary level as Ric Flair, Bret Hart or Mick Foley - Add DDP to an open contract. Idk if he officially has a legend's contract, but he is often a talking head and keeps getting brought in for the old school stuff. More regular than someone like Rikishi. - Finlay should be moved from wrestler to staff (road agent). I know there was a debate about this type of thing before but I'm just throwing it out there since it seems at least while he is with WWE he will not be wrestling in any capacity. - Hunico's position should be lowered to a developmental deal. Same as Camacho. - Add Jim Duggan to an open contract. - Joey Mercury should be moved from wrestler to staff (trainer). Hasn't wrestled since 2010. No since in keeping him as a wrestler if we're shooting for realism. No one is jumping to re-add Sgt. Slaughter as a worker, for example, even though he has wrestled more recently. - John Laurinaitis should be moved from wrestler to staff (road agent). Once again if we're not going to re-add all the guys that may make an appearance like Sgt. Slaughter or Ted DiBiase than it's just a unnecessary double standard and he should be removed. - Kevin Nash should be removed. Legend deals are iffy, but I think the only one's that should stay are ones that do regular stuff like the panels or appear on the Old School Raws. - Lilian Garcia should be moved from wrestler to staff (production). She isn't involved in angles nor does backstage interviews so I don't see why she was a worker in the first place. - Linda McMahon should be removed from the game entirely. No longer an official part of the company still I don't think nor would she be anything but a staff member anyway. - Maria Menounos should be removed in the case that other celebrities that only appear sporadically are going to be removed. - Raise Ric Flair's overness to 96. Should be on par with Shawn Michaels. - Rob Van Dam should be removed. Same as Chris Jericho he isn't officially under contract as of today (I wouldn't count out either returning at the Rumble is why I say that but until that happens I think we should plan for them to be removed). - Robbie Brookside should be moved from wrestler to staff(?). Idk much about whether he still takes indy booking, but I am under the presumption that if you are working for WWE you aren't working anywhere else, and he has yet to work a match in WWE. - Add Roddy Piper to an open contract. - Add Ron Simmons to an open contract. - Ryan Katz and Sara Del Rey should be moved from wrestler to staff(?). See: Robbie Brookside. - The Rock should be removed. He is booked by Hollywood for the foreseeable future and they never reworked an extension or anything as far as I know. - Trish Stratus should be removed. I don't even think she is under a legends contract anymore, has her own ventures, and I believe just started a family recently. She's done. Edit: Completely forgot that Hunico had taken over as Sin Cara as pointed out later in the thread. I agree that his overness should be raised to 74.
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