MLB 2019-2020 Offseason Thread

[The Buscher]

6 hours ago, JMarushin said:

If there's evidence that they cheated in the world series, why can't they take the world series win away?

What sort of actual punishment would deter them and other teams from doing the same thing?

Taking away stuff that’s already happened is largely pointless.  The fans and players will always have those memories of having experienced it.

The best punishments would be for moving forward.  Maybe a postseason ban for X amount of years and allowing players to opt out of their contracts immediately if they want to go somewhere where they can win a title.

It could be an effective death blow to the franchise.

[Meacon Keaton]

7 hours ago, JMarushin said:

If there's evidence that they cheated in the world series, why can't they take the world series win away?

What sort of actual punishment would deter them and other teams from doing the same thing?

MLB is way too far up their own ass when it comes to its history to have a vacant World Series champion in their record books. And no, GhostMachine, before you suggest it, they shouldn’t just award it to the Dodgers for losing to them in the Series.

As for what they could do, one of the best and most reasonable and easily enforceable suggestions is a two-year postseason ban for those teams that qualify. Should you be a team like Baltimore or Miami, then you turn to forfeiture of first and second and maybe third round draft picks and a fine that would make Peter Angelos shit tears.

[The Buscher]

The league has summoned AJ Hinch, Alex Cora, and Carlos Beltran to the league office to conduct interviews about the sign stealing.

This is going to turn into yet another LOLMETS moment when their manager gets hit with a lengthy suspension before ever getting to manage a game, isn't it?

[GhostMachine]

3 hours ago, Meacon said:

MLB is way too far up their own ass when it comes to its history to have a vacant World Series champion in their record books. And no, GhostMachine, before you suggest it, they shouldn’t just award it to the Dodgers for losing to them in the Series.

As for what they could do, one of the best and most reasonable and easily enforceable suggestions is a two-year postseason ban for those teams that qualify. Should you be a team like Baltimore or Miami, then you turn to forfeiture of first and second and maybe third round draft picks and a fine that would make Peter Angelos shit tears.

I wouldn't even suggest that at all. What's done is done. Just punish the hell out of them so they think twice about ever doing it again.

[gunnar hendershow]

Yeah the punishment that will get handed down is managerial suspensions for sure. Also a fine to the organizations that won't be much money at all given how rich they all are.

[The Buscher]

There’s thinking that Cora and Beltran might get fined rather than suspended so as to not punish the Red Sox or Mets who weren’t involved at all.

[Meacon Keaton]

The Braves have signed Will Smith to a 3-year $39 million deal with a team option for the 4th year at another $13 million. Gettin' jiggy wit it. 

Also Jake Odorizzi accepted the Twins qualifying offer and Jose Abreu accepted the White Sox's QO. 

Madison Bumgarner, Gerrit Cole, Marcell Ozuna, Anthony Rendon, Stephen Strasburg, and Zack Wheeler all declined their QO's. 

[GhostMachine]

48 minutes ago, Carlos Buschtran said:

There’s thinking that Cora and Beltran might get fined rather than suspended so as to not punish the Red Sox or Mets who weren’t involved at all.

That would make sense, as long as its a heavy fine. Like at least 25 percent of their salary next season.

[The Buscher]

The 2020 Hall of Fame ballot is out:

My ballot:

Bonds
Clemens
Jeter
Kent
Ramirez
Rolen
Sheffield
Sosa
Wagner
Walker

[gunnar hendershow]

I found it interesting that going off Bill James' model both Giambi and Soriano are likely HOFers.

Personally I'm just excited for Mike Francesa to now have to answer legitimate calls about Jason Giambi after years of immediately hanging up at "Jason".

[Maxx]

Ugh they’re gonna let that bum Jeter into the hall?

[DMN in the House]

3 hours ago, Maxx said:

Ugh they’re gonna let that bum Jeter into the hall?

You mean the dude that runs the Marlins? They suck, why would he go into the Hall?

[MalaCloudy Black]

I can't see Schilling not going in.

[gunnar hendershow]

Yeah I think it's definitely Schilling's turn. Walker, maybe (hopefully) Rolen. Jeter is obviously going to be close to or unanimous.

And, hey, maybe the voters will finally get their heads out of their asses and induct at the least Bonds and Clemens!

Don Mattingly and Lou Whitaker out of the Veterans Committee since they can't be trusted to induct Marvin Miller despite his enormous, lasting influence on the game.

[The Buscher]

If Mattingly goes in, then Keith Hernandez needs to go in too.

[gunnar hendershow]

9 minutes ago, Carlos Buschtran said:

If Mattingly goes in, then Keith Hernandez needs to go in too.

Hernandez has a higher WAR in his peak years but Mattingly's career numbers peg him above all the normal HoF metrics (he's at like 134 on the Hall of Fame Monitor which James ranks as a virtual lock) whereas Hernandez is below HoF on all those metrics. The thing that voters used to hold against a guy like Mattingly (longevity) is increasingly less of an issue since people are increasingly aware of the dreaded "compilers".

[The Buscher]

 

[gunnar hendershow]

Those are nice but at the same time not as nice as they maybe could have been.

[Meacon Keaton]

9 hours ago, Carlos Buschtran said:

If Mattingly goes in, then Keith Hernandez needs to go in too.

You can go now.

[The Buscher]

I think putting me into the HOF would be opening pandora’s box a bit too much.