Tennis!

[Colly]

Weird how it's taken until now for me to realise he has a Native American name.

[Essa]

I will preface by saying I'm a bit of a degenerate gambler.  When tennis is the only live action i gamble on it even though i dont really have a handle on how its scored. Today I took the over 20.5 combined points on a match.  To me it looks like I won, they graded it as a win and then manually changed it to a loss. Can someone more familiar with the sport let me know if I got fucked here?  

My thought was that you take the points from each set, which in this case would have been 32. 

 

[Essa]

Fuck, got my answer. The third set only counts for one point. Just fucking bitter that they graded it as a win and then manually changed it to a loss. 

[Malenko]

Not sure what you meant but Laurent won the first and third sets and De Schepper won the second, hence two sets to one.

[Baddar]

Don't gamble on shit you don't understand! It's hard enough to win on the sports you 'think' you know well. 

[Colly]

Just pick the horse with the funniest name.

[GA!]

Like Sad Ken and Madame Swish.

[Liam]

7 hours ago, Essa said:

Fuck, got my answer. The third set only counts for one point. Just fucking bitter that they graded it as a win and then manually changed it to a loss. 

Is the third set only played as some form of tiebreaker? That it went 16 points, but was significantly shorter than the rest suggests that.

If so, going over 20.5 points just across two sets (with the third only counting for 1) is asking a lot I feel.

[Rich]

I think a lot of love is used to score tennis

[Colly]

10 minutes ago, Liam said:

Is the third set only played as some form of tiebreaker? That it went 16 points, but was significantly shorter than the rest suggests that.

If so, going over 20.5 points just across two sets (with the third only counting for 1) is asking a lot I feel.

https://www.sofascore.com/de-schepper-laurent/yEqskIwb

Yep looks like the third set was definitely a tie breaker. Very odd, but by that it was only an exhibition game. Lesson is not to make weird bets.

[Adam]

With Covid, there have been a lot of weird scoring systems used in these Exhibition tournaments. I've seen some where each set only goes to 4 games won, instead of 6, and yeah this one appeared to be settled on a tiebreaker after two full sets.

In case @Essa wants to bet on tennis again, the traditional scoring system is best of three sets (five for men in Grand Slams) and it is first to six games to win a set, with a margin of two games.

"Points" is actually misleading by this betting firm as points win games, which win sets, but this seems to have taken games won as "points".

[METALMAN]

Serious question though: does anyone actually know why tennis goes 0, 15, 30, 40?

[gunnar hendershow]

7 minutes ago, metalman said:

Serious question though: does anyone actually know why tennis goes 0, 15, 30, 40?

It's all a big mix of mythology, old French, Latin, and possibly clock faces?

[Bobfoc]

I heard it was something to do with clock faces, but then having a score of 40 is a bit weird. One theory about "love" is because "0" looks a bit like an egg, and "l'oeuf" sounds like "love". That's also strange because French tennis announcers refer to it as "zéro".

[Adam]

TIME went in-depth on the origins of the scoring system in tennis a couple of years ago.

Basically, a lot of it is shrouded in mystery. I like the idea that it came from clock faces but who knows really.

[RPS]

8 hours ago, Rich said:

I think a lot of love is used to score tennis

I personally think the winner is the one who is the hottest. 

[Lineker]

Rafa Nadal has decided to not travel to America and as such won't be defending his US Open title.

[Lineker]

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World number one Novak Djokovic has resigned as president of the ATP player council to front a new association aiming to increase the power of the players.

But he faces opposition from Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer, who remain members of the council.

Players wishing to sign up for the Professional Tennis Players' Association were due to meet on Saturday night in New York, where the US Open begins on Monday.

Djokovic first raised the idea of a players' union at the 2018 Australian Open. Since then a number of his peers have been agitating for a greater share of the revenue generated by the Grand Slams, in particular.

"I have read in the letter from the ATP that they think the ATP cannot co-exist with this association. I have to respectfully disagree," Djokovic said after winning the Western and Southern Open on Saturday.

"Legally, we are 100% safe, and we are allowed to form the player association. We are not calling for boycotts, we are not forming parallel tours. This is an important step for players, and for the sport as well.

"We just want to have our own organisation, that is 100% ours. We are definitely going to try and work with ATP, and all the governing bodies."

World number two Nadal, who is not playing in the US Open, had already made clear his opposition in a post on Twitter.

"The world is living a difficult and complicated situation. I personally believe these are times to be calm and work all of us together in the same direction," the Spaniard said.

"It is time for unity, not for separation. These are moments where big things can be achieved as long as the world of tennis is united."

Shortly afterwards, Federer, who is also absent from New York, retweeted Nadal's post and added: "I agree. These are uncertain and challenging times, but I believe it's critical for us to stand united as players, and as a sport, to pave the best way forward."

Since the ATP Tour sprang into life in 1990, the players and the tournaments have, in theory, had an equal voice. There are three player representatives and three tournament representatives on the ATP board. If there is deadlock, the chairman has the right to a casting vote.

The former top-20 player Andrea Gaudenzi took over as chairman in January. Disappointment in his performance is one of the reasons 2016 Wimbledon runner-up Milos Raonic will join the new association.

"A lot of us were kept in the dark by our leadership for six months," the Canadian said.

"We were disappointed with many things. As tennis players, we weren't making a dime for months and months. But our executives were staying home and didn't feel it necessary to take any pay cuts.

"We have a former player leading us. I hope they step up and they work a bit more with the players like we would have expected from a former player."

But British number one Dan Evans told BBC Sport he will not be signing up.

"It's not great timing, and I don't believe in what they are saying, to be honest," he said.

"A lot of players do [seem to be in support], but with not a lot of information. Tennis players are funny - once you mention a bit of money they seem to follow that way.

"We just have to be a little bit careful what we could turn the tour into if this does happen."

At last year's US Open, the idea of an association of both male and female players was gathering momentum. The fact this is a male-only venture is one of the reasons Britain's Andy Murray will not yet be joining.

"I'm not totally against a player union," the former world number one said.

"But I feel like the current management that are in place should be given some time to implement their vision, and I feel like that would send a much more powerful message if the WTA were on board with it as well."

In a statement, the ATP Tour said: "We recognise the challenges that our members face in today's circumstances. However, we strongly believe that now is a time for unity, rather than internal division.

"We remain unwavering in our commitment to deliver for our players across all areas of our business, ensuring they receive maximum benefit from their years on Tour, and that their voices are heard."

They received support, too, from the WTA, the ITF and the four Grand Slams, who said in a statement: "It is a time for even greater collaboration, not division; a time to consider and act in the best interests of the sport, now and for the future. When we work together, we are a stronger sport."

 

[Baddar]

Murray's US Open campaign has just started. It's on Amazon Prime in the UK, and my nephew has been kind enough to let me use his login.

[Bobfoc]

I find it hard to see Murray going far. He's had some good performances this year, but he can't seem to string more than a couple together in the same tournament. I just can't envisage him staying injury-free over two weeks of five-set matches.

Cameron Norrie had a great win yesterday, coming from two sets down to beat ninth seed Diego Schwartzman. Kyle Edmund won too and will have to face Novak Djokovic next.