EWR 2011 Stats Update: March ***PLEASE USE SPOILER TAGS***

[Mancuerda]

I'll just make one more reply re: Lesnar and then end it, since I figure Bill will be a tad annoyed sifting through all the posts about him specifically:

Lesnar's incredibly popular, so a 95 makes sense. However, in the context of just wrestling, guys like Hogan, Rock, Undertaker, HBK, Triple H, and Austin are and will always be bigger.

Lesnar's a HUGE superstar in general, in MMA, pro wrestling, whatever he does... a big celebrity.

But I mean, while someone like Dennis Rodman or whoever is better known to the average person than The Miz or Rey Mysterio might be, it's not like he's more "over" than them with the wrestling crowd.

Brock is more well known than almost anyone in wrestling right now, and drawing huge PPV buyrates, but he's not more over than the six men I listed above, and maybe a SELECT FEW others. He's definitely deserving of a 95, but beyond that puts him on the level of HBK, who's a demi-god in wrestling.

[Guest rasko]

change Randy Orton gimmick to Ice Man

[Gendron21]

change Randy Orton gimmick to Ice Man

I was attempting to think of a new gimmick for RKO... I thought Rebel,Psycho,Machine and Ice Man were the best choices. Psycho basically because of the "voices".

[Guest The Phenomenal Red]

I am not sure if this is already in the game, but...

Paul London is the new Sydistiko of Masked Warriors

Paul London on Lucha Wiki. Make him a crazy heel midcarder for Lucha Libre USA.

[Guest rasko]

SmackDown spoiler

Wade Barrett is the new Intercontinental Champion

Drop his overness to 85. He is not over like Del Rio who is at 87

[Gendron21]

Booker T is apparently getting some of the bigger pops on Smackdown when he's introduced, maybe his Overness should be upped a little bit?

I don't mind if not, as I never use him as anything but a commentator,if at all, but the last few weeks on Smackdown, it sounds like he's getting better bigger reactions than guys like Wade Barrett and Sheamus,etc.

Also, if not already mentioned, drop "King" from Sheamus for next month.

[KrisClassic]

-According to Wiki, raise Larry Zbyszko's age to 59. Raise his charisma to 79.

-Raise Bryce Benjamin's brawl to 62.

-Raise Pinkie Sanchez's brawl to 44.

-Raise Antonio Thomas' brawl to 67, technical to 68, and stiffness to 48.

-Change RJ Brewer to a lightweight. Raise his brawl to 50.

[Bill1996]

OK, so I've been working on the April update and hit an issue that don't have an answer to, gameplay-wise... So I wanted some opinions and perhaps some guidance... Fair warning, could be a mini-rant here:

I'm adding Olivia to the game (NWA-H) and learn that she is former porn star Olivia O'Lovely. The stats tht were given to me for attitude and behavior were 80... Here's where my issue begins.

My initial thought is, "No, a porn star can't have attitude and behavior of 80... That's too high." Then, I looked at the definitions:

Attitude: This is the wrestler’s in-ring attitude. Someone with a good attitude will put people over, lose when necessary, and generally try their best. People with low attitude will be hard to work with. Also, women with good attitudes may refuse to participate in degrading matches.

Behaviour: This is the wrestler’s out-of-the-ring behaviour. This is how troublesome they are backstage, how likely they are to be involved in police incidents, and how likely they are to end up a raging alcoholic sitting outside their house with a shotgun muttering about how those darn kids have no respect.

Now, there are some porn stars that have had no problems outside of their profession, meaning (at least in my head) that their attitude and behavior shouldn't be low, simply because they were in porn. I don't recall lowering attitude or behavior for Sable, Torrie Wilson, Christy Hemme, Ashley Massaro, Maria Kanellis, etc just because they posed for Playboy. Now, if they did soemthing that warrants a drop, yes, sure... But I'm asking, should the lone fact that a worker was in adult material (be it Playboy, Penthouse, porn, etc)be enough to warrant a drop in their attitude and behavior? I'm leaning towards no.

Just want to throw a few attitudes and behaviors up ther for comparison. Off the top of my head, all have been involved in some sort of "questionable" material. I could be missing some, this again, is just a short list:

Mickie James: 83-81 (Legshow)

Torrie Wilson: 98-94 (Playboy)

Annie Social: 91-87 (NWWL)

Tylene Buck: 90-82 (Nude in many magazines, I believe also does porn now)

Kristi Myst: 49-10 (Former porn star, was in XPW, I believe)

Maria Kanellis: 94-92 (Playboy)

Terri Runnels: 52-77 (All's I can recall is that she flashed one of Goldust's opponents at a house show... Perhaps I'm wrong?

Stacy Carter: 35-50 (Took her top off on a WWE PPV, cheated on Jerry Lawler (according to his book, anyway))

Rena Mero-Lesnar: 50-55 (Playboy, "handprint bikini")

Trina Michaels: 66-28 (Former porn star)

Jillian Beyor: 87-83 (Playboy playmate)

Rebecca Dipietro: 80-81 (Playboy)

Veronica Caine: 58-19 (Porn star)

Beulah McGillicutty: 90-83 (Penthouse)

Lizzy Borden: 72-23 (Porn star, in prison)

Bobbi Billard: 89-77 (Playboy)

Candice Michelle: 90-89 (Playboy)

Now, again, I realize some f these people have done things outside of the adult entertainment industry that might be a reason to lower their attituse and/or behavior. I'm not really talking about that. What I'm talking about is what appears to be a severe cut in those stats for some workers, simply because they were in porn. The ones that jump out to me are Kristi Myst and Veronica Caine. Both of them have behaviors under 20, while Lizzy Borden not only did porn, but went to jail for distributing obscene materials. Borden has a higher attitude than Terri Runnels and I can't recall Terri involved in any criminal activity. Annie Social has actually been nde in the ring before, but has very high attitude and behavior.

The only thing I can relate this to ingame is the ability to have a worker do a buck naked match. I don't even know the requirements that a worker would agree to them, but really, just because a person was a porn star, or appeared in an adult magazine, doesn't mean they'd wrestle nude. My guess would be Annie Social (who is the only one I'm aware of that has been nude in a wrestling ring... Didn't ever catch NWWL) probably nowadays wouldn't even do that type of match and that she is closer to being deserving of her 91-87 than Stacy Carter, Terri Runnels, Kristi Myst and Veronica Caine are of deserving their low marks.

I guess, in the end, I'm wondering if we should do some sort of a chart that takes points off of attitude and behavior if someone poses nude, or appers in porn? Like 3 points off for Playboy, 5 for Penthouse and 7 for porn? Being in adult materials doesn't neccessarily make someone hard to work with, or a troublemaker. I'd also think that appearing in an adult magazine or movie would also boost the worker's overness, since it seems as if anytime a diva (or knockout, not forgetting Traci) appeared in Playboy, their company publicized it, which made the person more popular (or at least was pushed a bit more than before).

Just something I'd like to get feedback on. Don't wanna punish the porn stars, just becaus they did porn in the past. I'm a sensitive guy, you know.

-Bill

[Gendron21]

I dont see why youd have to have them with low behavior/attitude for the simple fact they were in porn.... If it's lets say Beaulah McGillicuty who did the uhh Daydreamers or whatever its called movie, and she was never a problem, why punish her? I'd say now, take Jasmin St Claire. She no showed her own promotion.... thats warranting low A/B for sure. I dont see a necessary tie between nudity and behavior in the game.

Maybe that just me, but hey.

[fusionFX!]

-Raise Chance Prophet's overness to 25.

-Raise Brodus Clay's overness to 57.

-Raise Brock Lesnar's overness to 96.

-Raise Bob Evans' charisma to 71.

-Raise Brutus Beefcake's brawl to 53, technical to 46, selling to 60, and charisma to 66.

On the subject of Chance Prophet, I think his overness needs to be atleast 35. He's the current NWA Jr. Heavyweight Champion as well as the NWA DogPound Champion. He needs his charisma bumped up too. He's currently at like 68, I think he's good enough to be about 73-75. Has anybody seen his recent promos he's been posting on his facebook?

If not, you guys need to see them: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/chanceprophet

[Trench]

I don't really see how being a porn star fits with lowering the attitude or behavior according to the definitions. I say just keep it at 80/80 unless she does something that warrants lower behavior or attitude.

[Bill1996]

Ok, so, the people who posted... We're kinda on the same page here...

That brings me to the ones I'm looking at and I'll add in Jasmin St. Claire:

Kristi Myst: 49-10

Terri Runnels: 52-77

Stacy Carter: 35-50

Rena Mero-Lesnar: 50-55

Trina Michaels: 66-28

Veronica Caine: 58-19

Lizzy Borden: 72-23

Jasmin St. Claire: 79-71

Any reasons why these are so low? Trina Michaels, I think I entered and based her stats off of other porn stars entering wrestling, so that's probably why hers is where it is. Lizzy, I know, served time in prison, but a 23 behavior? Terri and Stacy, I can't think of anything major that either of them did (besides their isolated flashing incidents). I know Rena (Sable) wasn't an angel, but they did hire her back after a couple years and when she left again, she did so on good term, IIRC. Veronica, Kristi and Jasmin probably haven't been touched much, unless someone suggested a change in the past, though I honestly can't remember any.

I'll do a little more research on my own, but if anyone else has ideas on making changes to these to reflect today, or has info as to why the stats might be that low, please feel free to chime in.

Meanwhile, back to working on staff... As of now, I need 19 writers and 19 medics in order for the game to not have to create any.

Also, while I'm thinking about it, anyone know if Desmond Wolfe (Nigel McGuinness) and "The Suicide Blonde" Irene are still dating, married, etc? Guess that spoils one of the new workers for April...

-Bill

Edited March 24, 2011 by Bill1996

[Viva]

I think Portia Perez needs a boost in charisma. She is equally as good or way better than any diva or knockout in that category. I think 75-79 would be fine.

[Bill1996]

I think Portia Perez needs a boost in charisma. She is equally as good or way better than any diva or knockout in that category. I think 75-79 would be fine.

That's one I'll get to see for myself... Heading out tomorrow to go to the Shimmer Tapings this weekend.

Also, wanted to make a few notes before I signed off... The laptop's coming with me to Berwyn, so I'll probably be working throughout the weekend, while sitting in my hotel room:

I'd change Christopher Nowinski from Road Agent to Production

I'd change Rob Feinstein to an owner. If not owner, Production

They probably will be changed, after I get enough Road Agents that the game won't need to create any... Right now, I have just enough RA's, so that the game doesn't have to create any. Moving them now would open two holes.

Change Amar Suloev's birth month to January and age to 35.

His myspace says July 1st: http://www.myspace.com/amarsuloev After researching, I see 1/7/76 and 7/1/76... With him being Russian, do they use d/m/y there, as opposed to m/d/y... 1/7/76 in Russia, I believe, would be July 1st. Has he ever even been an actual pro wrestler, or is has he just done MMA? If he's never been in pro wrestling, perhaps he should just be deleted...?

-Bill

[EddieG]

Russians use d/m/yy

[Guest The Phenomenal Red]

Ok, so, the people who posted... We're kinda on the same page here...

That brings me to the ones I'm looking at and I'll add in Jasmin St. Claire:

Kristi Myst: 49-10

Terri Runnels: 52-77

Stacy Carter: 35-50

Rena Mero-Lesnar: 50-55

Trina Michaels: 66-28

Veronica Caine: 58-19

Lizzy Borden: 72-23

Jasmin St. Claire: 79-71

Any reasons why these are so low? Trina Michaels, I think I entered and based her stats off of other porn stars entering wrestling, so that's probably why hers is where it is. Lizzy, I know, served time in prison, but a 23 behavior? Terri and Stacy, I can't think of anything major that either of them did (besides their isolated flashing incidents). I know Rena (Sable) wasn't an angel, but they did hire her back after a couple years and when she left again, she did so on good term, IIRC. Veronica, Kristi and Jasmin probably haven't been touched much, unless someone suggested a change in the past, though I honestly can't remember any.

I'll do a little more research on my own, but if anyone else has ideas on making changes to these to reflect today, or has info as to why the stats might be that low, please feel free to chime in.

-Bill

I think the porno deals (video and print/internet) should lower behavior NOT attitude. Now should it be as low a known drug addicts and convicts, NO. Now if it was a Rob Black and Lizzy Borden deal, yeah but they got convicted for making porno movies and shipping porn through the mail. Big difference than say Beulah (only did a self porno if I am mistaken,) Terri Runnels (who might have been asked to do that,) Stacy Carter (accidentally flash the television audience due to a product mis-cue,) Mickie (Legshow,) Maria (Playboy,) et all. Now women who are total porn stars and/or strippers like the retired Tylene Buck, Kristi Mist, the aforementioned Lizzy Borden, Veronica Caine, Annie Social show have it lower than print in my opinion. Maybe a 10-15 point drop rather than a 5-10 for those in print.

[Guest Nick Beam]

1. Virgil is touring with NJPW
2. Rik Ratchet, Donnie B and Steve Corino on tour of Zero-1 Mix as Dark Horsemen
3. Barry Windham spotted at Smackdown tapings

[Trench]

How does being a porn star equate to being troublesome, more likely to be involved in police incidents or likely to end up as an alcoholic/drug addict? That is the definition though the ending is sarcastic. Just because Olivia was in porn, does not mean she will be trouble. Like I said before, should just give her a generic 80/80 unless she does something to warrant being lowered. I'm not sure why other porn stars/women that posed nude are so low if that is all they have done. I would say bring them up to 80/80 also unless they have done something worthy of being lowered.

[KrisClassic]

Why would doing porn warrant a lowered attitude or behavior at all? It doesn't at all indicate them having behavioral issues.

-Check Fonz Factor for Claudio Castagnoli.

-Lower Gran Akuma's overness to 37. Check High Spots.

-Raise Shelton Benjamin's charisma to 68. IMO check Fonz Factor.

-Raise Pat Buck's brawl to 56, technical to 48, and selling to 74.

-Raise Mike Mondo's selling to 79.

-Check Menacing for Rich Young. Raise his selling to 76. Lower his overness to 42.

-Check Trainer for Davey Richards.

-Check SS Look for Delirious.

-Raise Homicide's overness to 70.

-Remove "The" from Abraham Washington's primary finisher.

-Raise Akebono's brawl to 60, speed to 6, technical to 14, and selling to 64. Raise his wage to $60,000.

-Raise Tajiri's brawl to 76 and charisma to 68.

-Raise Yuji Nagata's brawl to 84 and stiffness to 76. Uncheck SS Look.

-Raise Big Daddy Voodoo's speed to 14, technical to 4, and selling to 50

-Add a tag team between Derek and Bobby Dempsey, The Dempseys, 10 experience, active, finisher: Double Splash.

Edited March 25, 2011 by KrisClassic

[MikeyManiac]

1. Virgil is touring with NJPW
2. Rik Ratchet, Donnie B and Steve Corino on tour of Zero-1 Mix as Dark Horsemen
3. Barry Windham spotted at Smackdown tapings

links to prove any of these?