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You can have a good series without showing ass, tits, dong and whatnot in copious amounts.

I personally am completely calloused by it, and it feels more like an annoyance than something I'd feel ashamed or shocked by. I rather see them get on with the story instead of them going ''Look, it's tits!'' at every turn.

Sure, tits are great if you ask me. But they add little (nothing) to the story itself.

I grew up in The Netherlands, and over here we're liberal with the showing of people's bits and we don't really care about it anymore. I understand that for Americans the thought of women having tits and men having a dong might be a shocking revelation.

I enjoy the series with or without nudity, if they removed it completely I wouldn't think of the series any less, I might even enjoy it a bit more because they can focus more on the actual fucking story instead of them being so inccesant on adding nudity to scenes.

I'm not afraid of naughty bits, I don't feel ashamed when it's on TV. Heck, I watch GoT with my mum and neither of us even gives a hoot about it.

I think you may be missing the point. No one has said they were upset because "OMG people are nude!"

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I'm not even offended by the sex scenes. I manage to understand that it's fictional and react accordingly.

I really don't see the point of having sex scenes, full frontal nudity and whatnot. The gender-specific bits add little (if anything) to the actual story, and for me it's starting to feel grating and obnoxious that the show even adds such scenes, because for me it detracts from the story.

If they decided to ''censor'' nudity by using specific camera shots I wouldn't enjoy the series any less than before.

We live in an age where porn and smut is available at the click of a button, it might be a taboo in the USofA but I am calloused to the notion of nudity in entertainment. It doesn't add anything to the show for me, i'm calloused about it.

The only thing I don't like is the producers hiding behind the book and going ''We're just trying to be true to the books''. And whilst it may be true, that doesn't mean they need to shove the nudity into our faces. The producers seem like a bunch of 14 year olds who have discovered internet porn for the first time.

Why does it matter if it's fictional or not?

Context. Westeros is a brutal place where brutal things happen on an almost daily basis. Shying away from things because they're uncomfortable in our real world is disingenuous to the world that Martin created. I understand if that's not something you're terribly into but that just means the show isn't for you.

Saying the show isn't for me isn't exactly fair. I liked the show. And I mean don't we get that the world is brutal by now? Does there need to be so much rape and brutal sex to get that across? I don't see how the show wouldn't be just as good without a lot of it.

I meant you in the general sense, not you specifically. That could have been more clear.

It's not about quality of show, it's about staying true to the world that the show is set in and the world that the show is set in is a terrible place where things like that happen all the time. Removing aspects like that changes how we perceive that world. You can't get the point across that this shit happens all the time without showing it happen all the time. Showing it once or twice doesn't get that point across because those would look like isolated incidents, not something that the characters have to live with every day of their lives.

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The rape scene further advanced the notion that no one in Game of Thrones is inherently good or inherently bad. Even bad shit happen to the people we think of as the antagonist, even if it's done by people we believe to be one of the good guys. Martin's character work is so thoroughly in-depth and multi-layered that you all are missing the point: it's not that we're cheering for good guys or bad guys, it's that everyone in that world (hey, like our world!) is fucked up in some way, shape or form.

Hell, everyone seems to be cheering for Tyrion, but apparently we're missing the point where he was a whoring asshole? Or is his redemption story good enough already that we can just excuse that?

Also, there isn't any nudity in that scene, Jason :P

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I'm not even offended by the sex scenes. I manage to understand that it's fictional and react accordingly.

I really don't see the point of having sex scenes, full frontal nudity and whatnot. The gender-specific bits add little (if anything) to the actual story, and for me it's starting to feel grating and obnoxious that the show even adds such scenes, because for me it detracts from the story.

If they decided to ''censor'' nudity by using specific camera shots I wouldn't enjoy the series any less than before.

We live in an age where porn and smut is available at the click of a button, it might be a taboo in the USofA but I am calloused to the notion of nudity in entertainment. It doesn't add anything to the show for me, i'm calloused about it.

The only thing I don't like is the producers hiding behind the book and going ''We're just trying to be true to the books''. And whilst it may be true, that doesn't mean they need to shove the nudity into our faces. The producers seem like a bunch of 14 year olds who have discovered internet porn for the first time.

Why does it matter if it's fictional or not?

Context. Westeros is a brutal place where brutal things happen on an almost daily basis. Shying away from things because they're uncomfortable in our real world is disingenuous to the world that Martin created. I understand if that's not something you're terribly into but that just means the show isn't for you.

Saying the show isn't for me isn't exactly fair. I liked the show. And I mean don't we get that the world is brutal by now? Does there need to be so much rape and brutal sex to get that across? I don't see how the show wouldn't be just as good without a lot of it.

I meant you in the general sense, not you specifically. That could have been more clear.

It's not about quality of show, it's about staying true to the world that the show is set in and the world that the show is set in is a terrible place where things like that happen all the time. Removing aspects like that changes how we perceive that world. You can't get the point across that this shit happens all the time without showing it happen all the time. Showing it once or twice doesn't get that point across because those would look like isolated incidents, not something that the characters have to live with every day of their lives.

I don't believe that at all. Couldn't you get across the fact that the world is a dangerous place for women and that they get sexually assaulted all the time with a few lines of dialogue? Am I going to forget that women are getting raped all the time if they don't show a couple rapes a season?

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This show has numerous depictions of various kinds of violence every single episode, a man literally had his skull crushed by hand in the latest one and people say it's vile but nobody gets on their high horse to protest that (and if they do, why the heck are you watching this show?). The series has depictions of rape and people lose their shit.

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This show has numerous depictions of various kinds of violence every single episode, a man literally had his skull crushed by hand in the latest one and people say it's vile but nobody gets on their high horse to protest that (and if they do, why the heck are you watching this show?). The series has depictions of rape and people lose their shit.

What's your point? That people shouldn't be bothered by it? Or that they should be bothered by everything?

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Show all the violence you like, show a man have his skull crushed in, show a man's flesh torn and being burnt, show men being crucified up and down a road, have an entire family massacred at a wedding, but rape is where you draw the line. It's a fucking weird sensibility to have.

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Hell, everyone seems to be cheering for Tyrion, but apparently we're missing the point where he was a whoring asshole? Or is his redemption story good enough already that we can just excuse that?

What redemption story? Tyrion, from the moment he appeared, has been one of the few characters you could make any argument for being good at all and there's not a massive amount he does that seriously approaches evil. Yes, he fights against Robb Stark's army and schemes to keep the Lannisters in power, but not out of any lack of morals, it's because if the Starks win and keeps winning, Tyrion and every member of his family lose their heads for the crime of being Lannisters. Same goes for helping to repel Stannis.

Tyrion's story isn't about redemption, it's an underdog's tale and one of the biggest reasons he's such a fan favourite is because people can empathise with him. His father despises him mostly for things he had no hand in, he idolises the brother he can never live up to the example of, he's struggled to be taken seriously and given credit for his works and particularly while Hand, he did an incredible amount to help people who cursed his name every day. Who the fuck doesn't feel for the guy?

And seriously, if "whoring" is the worst you can throw at him, in fucking Westeros you may as well name him Baelor the Blessed reborn.

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Given the content of the show as a whole, I have absolutely no issue with it. As people have said, there's beheadings, murder, flaying, castration, torture, explosions, and all sorts of others, not to mention the frequent sex and nudity.

What I feel some people are forgetting is that contextually, even in our own actual history, these things are all thematically accurate. It's portraying a historical themed show, even by GRRM's admission based off our own history to a degree, and these things were all more normal or socially accepted (might be the wrong choice of words) than they are now. All these violent, disturbing images are well documented in history, rape included.

He is in no way trying to advocate any of these things, and is not publicly saying 'These things are all OK for you to go out and do yourself!' The notion that he should leave out an aspect because it offends a few people is ridiculous, it's his own work, he can do as he damn well pleases.

Now, all that said, let's address the TV portrayal between Jaime and Cersei. People complain that it's a big change from the books and that they should have stayed true to it. Some seem to forget that in the books, it still started as rape. It just became consensual towards the end. The TV series is still being faithful, minus leaving off the eventual consent.

All of this rape talk is being blown massively out of proportion.

Now, because I'm sick of this discussion clogging up the topic, Episode Nine Promo! Confirms my suspicions about it being solely at The Wall.

Let's talk about this instead.

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Yeah, you're right, Tyrion was a horrible example, but it's like I said, it's not like he's a fucking saint or anything. It's not like he was doing good for the people of King's Landing because he wanted to help them, he did it because he liked the position of power he was in and wanted to keep it that way.

Also, that episode 9 looks fucking tops.

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Given the content of the show as a whole, I have absolutely no issue with it. As people have said, there's beheadings, murder, flaying, castration, torture, explosions, and all sorts of others, not to mention the frequent sex and nudity.

What I feel some people are forgetting is that contextually, even in our own actual history, these things are all thematically accurate. It's portraying a historical themed show, even by GRRM's admission based off our own history to a degree, and these things were all more normal or socially accepted (might be the wrong choice of words) than they are now. All these violent, disturbing images are well documented in history, rape included.

He is in no way trying to advocate any of these things, and is not publicly saying 'These things are all OK for you to go out and do yourself!' The notion that he should leave out an aspect because it offends a few people is ridiculous, it's his own work, he can do as he damn well pleases.

Now, all that said, let's address the TV portrayal between Jaime and Cersei. People complain that it's a big change from the books and that they should have stayed true to it. Some seem to forget that in the books, it still started as rape. It just became consensual towards the end. The TV series is still being faithful, minus leaving off the eventual consent.

All of this rape talk is being blown massively out of proportion.

Now, because I'm sick of this discussion clogging up the topic, Episode Nine Promo! Confirms my suspicions about it being solely at The Wall.

Let's talk about this instead.

This may be one of the most insulting and dismissive posts I've read all day and that's actually saying something

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Martin's character work is so thoroughly in-depth and multi-layered that you all are missing the point: it's not that we're cheering for good guys or bad guys, it's that everyone in that world (hey, like our world!) is fucked up in some way, shape or form.

This is nonsense. There are clearly defined heroes and villains. Tyrion, Davos and Brienne are good. Dany is a friggin messiah. Tywin, Cersei, Bolton and most of the villains are almost comically evil. The only character with real "shades of grey" is Jaime, and it comes parceled with a lengthy redemption arc (that rape wasn't intended to be a part of).

Show all the violence you like, show a man have his skull crushed in, show a man's flesh torn and being burnt, show men being crucified up and down a road, have an entire family massacred at a wedding, but rape is where you draw the line. It's a fucking weird sensibility to have.

Seriously? You don't see the difference between rape and something as over the top as 80 crucifixions or a man crushing skull in his bare hands? Or why someone might have a stronger reaction to one than the other? You really can't understand that?
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Show all the violence you like, show a man have his skull crushed in, show a man's flesh torn and being burnt, show men being crucified up and down a road, have an entire family massacred at a wedding, but rape is where you draw the line. It's a fucking weird sensibility to have.

Thank you! This is exactly what I'm getting at!

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Show all the violence you like, show a man have his skull crushed in, show a man's flesh torn and being burnt, show men being crucified up and down a road, have an entire family massacred at a wedding, but rape is where you draw the line. It's a fucking weird sensibility to have.

Thank you! This is exactly what I'm getting at!

Because I or anyone I know hasn't personally had a man crush our skull in, our flesh torn and burnt, been crucified up and down a road, or had our family massacred at a wedding.

Don't see how that's so "fucking weird"

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There's an inherent difference in sensibilities here. What affects you is not going to affect others.

Rape, murder, incest...these are all subjects that need to be looked at as potentially effective towards others. Even if you are desensitized by certain things, always remember that it may deeply resonate with someone else. It's not a matter of oddity or weakness. Just remember that others' mileages may vary.

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