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I watched the premiere of Making A Murderer, it's stunning how things went down.

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I mean, you have the sheriff pretty clearly out to get Steven Avery - really, any Avery - because they.. what, don't conform to everyone else's way of life?

And then you've got a Sheriff's deputy pretty clearly crossing a lot of boundaries by suggesting to the victim who her assailant could be, the whole composite sketch done not by what the victim described but by a mugshot of Steven Avery brought over from the county jail, his own cousin with some sort of weird, as-of-yet unexplained vendetta against him.. 

and that's all without getting in to the Teresa Halbach murder yet.

EDIT: Holy shit the depositions in episode 2 are infuriating. Kusche in particular is awful. I'm dreading the spate of "I told you so"'s that are almost certainly coming after the Halbach conviction.

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10 hours ago, Cloudy said:

I watched the premiere of Making A Murderer, it's stunning how things went down.

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I mean, you have the sheriff pretty clearly out to get Steven Avery - really, any Avery - because they.. what, don't conform to everyone else's way of life?

And then you've got a Sheriff's deputy pretty clearly crossing a lot of boundaries by suggesting to the victim who her assailant could be, the whole composite sketch done not by what the victim described but by a mugshot of Steven Avery brought over from the county jail, his own cousin with some sort of weird, as-of-yet unexplained vendetta against him.. 

and that's all without getting in to the Teresa Halbach murder yet.

EDIT: Holy shit the depositions in episode 2 are infuriating. Kusche in particular is awful. I'm dreading the spate of "I told you so"'s that are almost certainly coming after the Halbach conviction.

Oh sweet, innocent, Cloudy...it gets so much worse.

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This is shot and edited so well - anyone who enjoys Making a Murderer should probably listen to Sword and Scale as a podcast as well. I get the same feel, even if S&S isn't all that investigative and instead tells the story of the crime/crimes along with real audio of interviews, 911 calls, etc.

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http://www.thewrap.com/making-a-murderer-filmmakers-fire-back-at-prosecutor-hes-not-entitled-to-his-own-facts/

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Ken Kratz said that you intentionally left out pieces of evidence that support Steven Avery’s conviction for the rape and murder of Teresa Halbach. Did you intentionally exclude any evidence?
Moira Demos: I guess I would ask Kratz what he would trade it for. We tried to choose what we thought was Kratz’s strongest evidence pointing toward Steven’s guilt, the things he talked about at his press conferences, the things that were really damning toward Steven. That’s what we put in. The things I’ve heard listed as things we’ve left out seem much less convincing of guilt than Teresa’s DNA on a bullet or her remains in his backyard.
Laura Ricciardi: To state this another way, I’d say that all of the most significant evidence of the state is in the series. It was a nearly six-week-long trial, and it would just be impossible for us to include all of the less significant evidence.

 

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Laura’s letter inviting Kratz to be part of the documentary is part of the case file. It clearly lays out our intentions going into making the series, what we thought Kratz would add if he was willing to do a sit-down interview with us. It was his choice not to. Nonetheless, we have footage of him in press conferences, arguing in court. We did our best to represent his point of view that Steven was a dangerous criminal who needed to be taken off the street.
Ricciardi: I think Kratz is clearly trying to rehabilitate himself in the public eye. This is a man who was disgraced. He was forced out of office. He reportedly lost his job, his home, his marriage. He at one point, I believe, filed for bankruptcy. He was named as a defendant in a federal lawsuit brought by one of the victims. This was a man who received an award for winning the Avery and the [Brendan Dassey, Avery’s nephew] cases. He was named prosecutor of the year by a certain organization. If I were to guess, I would say that he’s interested in trying to preserve the victory as his legacy as opposed to going down in history as a prosecutor who victimized vulnerable people.

 

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There is a part of me that thinks that Avery may have killed Halbach, but there is no way the state proved guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The investigation was more incompetent than the OJ investigation.

But the Brendan Dassey conviction may be the most troubling case of a somebody spending time in prison for a crime they did not commit in American history. How anyone can look at the actions of his second court-appointed attporney and contend that that is not ineffective assistance of counsel is astounding. My hear breaks for that kid.

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23 hours ago, apsham said:

Do yourself a favour and don't look into the wikipedia article for wrongful convictions in American history. I spent a good amount of time on that tonight and just.. nope.

I just read that the Innocence Project has freed 392 wrongfully convicted people. It is scary to think of the amount of people that have died in prison for stuff they didn't do.

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The Dassey stuff is mindblowing.

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Here is his lawyer - lying on the stand in a post-conviction trial about whether he said Dassey's guilty - caught lying - and they still uphold the conviction. Here's video and emails of his lawyer and his lawyer's investigator saying that this family is evil and needs to be wiped out and coercing a confession out of Brendan, and THEY STILL UPHOLD THE CONVICTION.

And then when Kachinsky's investigator starts crying because of the ribbon, holy shit.

 

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That's not even the maddest that I got throughout the whole thing.

It's shown without much context, I'm pretty sure it just shows up and ends before moving onto something else - but it doesn't need to. it's a video of investigators walking through Avery's apartment. The man reads a letter regarding going to a luncheon for people who had been freed through the Innocence Project and the woman behind the camera infuriatingly states something like "heh, well I doubt he'll be making it to that" before they move to the closet and she suggests taking all the shoes just in case there are any unsolved burglaries in the area.

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