Superman 64 Discussion Thread

[MDK]

I am doing my part for the movement by only playing as female leaders in Civ V.

#NotAllOttomen

Of course I would only use Queen lizzybeth because RULE BRITANNIA, Gawd save her madge.

[SeanDMan]

gamergate is a terrible place to look for potential new partners. Zoe Quinn is pretty but then there are commitment issues with her. On the other hand, you have Milo/Nero, who is tightly built and such a pretty face, but a gross transphobic and homophobic neocon. Adam Baldwin is a movie star but also a right wing nut. wil wheatonnis a pretty actor too but I would be tempted to slap him and say "shut up wesley!" during intercourse so he is out too.

[Benji]

Just wondering if this will work a second time.

[SeanDMan]

I guess there is tb but no way is he a bottom, and Anita but... eh, those hoop earings.

Ben Affleck though? I would.

[Troy Maskell]

But I thought Gamergate was about broader ethics concerns and not Zoe Quinn specifically.

Have you ever heard of the chicken and the egg? Zoe Quinn and Grayson was merely the catalyst. When concerns were blown off people were inspired to dig deeper and found problems with a whole slew of articles and reviews, involving people like Patricia Hernandez (Who wrote glowing articles on Kotaku about games designed by Anna Anthropy, who was a close personal friend of hers, this was never disclosed) Nathan Grayson again (This time he gave a glowing review to the game Soundself, not disclosing he was close friends with Robin Arnott, a developer of the game) and Danielle Riendeau (Who reviewed the game Gone Home for Polygon, despite being close friends with the games composer, again never disclosed)

There are others, Quinn was merely the tip of the iceberg, it was the reaction that caused people to dig deeper and when those we're brought up to the sites editors.....Three days later the "Gamers are Dead" articles came out.

[Troy Maskell]

And for the record: Affleck was still da bomb in Phantoms

[peteypirahna]

The content of the gamers are dead articles aren't the problem, the problem is that somehow about 10+ gaming websites all decided to write in depth articles about the same subject and post them on the same day. Sure it could just be that one journalist did it and lots of other journalists thought it was a good article so hastily wrote something within 12 hours, but it looks a lot more planned out than that.

[Maxx]

Mostly to Troy on this one:

If you really think GamerGate is about something else, ethics in journalism or whatever the fuck, why don't you just state your point about that plainly and not associate with a toxic group like GamerGate at all? Stand up for views you have, don't throw in with a bunch of shit heads who might believe something similar and then get pissed off when people rake you over the coals for all the shit they do.

Do you actually read any of my posts or do you just randomly quotemine and move on?

We go out there all the time and say "I Support Gamergate. I do NOT support Harrassment", we report people who use the tag to threaten those people and get their accounts banned, but do you know how easy it is to create a twitter account? If we change the tag do you really think the trolls aren't going to follow us?

I like that I'm accused of not reading your drivel in a post that clearly shows you haven't read mine.

I'll make one more attempt to spell this out for you: How about you go out there and no even fucking mention GamerGate? How about you go out there and just fucking say you're against bias in reviews or whatever stupid shit you'r e crusading on. Separate yourself completely, start a whole new movement, whatever. Instead you continue to preface everything with "I SUPPORT A GROUP THAT IS WIDELY KNOWN FOR HARASSMENT AND MISOGYNY...but I don't support that part of it!" And you wonder why people give you so much shit for it. GamerGate is a shitty "movement" filled with plenty of shitty people who do horrible things, maybe be fucking smart enough to no throw in with that lot if you don't want to be associated with all the shit they bring with them. Seems like common sense to me. Get it now?

Or hey, its fucking video games, go whine about something that actually fucking matters. Who cares if someone gave a positive review to a fucking indie game you'll probably never play. You don't give a shit, really and it doesn't affect you in the least. If you're worried about buying a game that got a good, perhaps unethical review and it turning out to be shit, boo fucking hoo, grow up and learn how to make informed decisions before purchasing. The same shit happens in industries that are far more important than video games will ever be.

Seriously Troy have you even played any of the games you keep mentioning?

[Gazz]

Wasn't that in response to those stats that female gamers outnumbered adolescent male gamers and therefore the stereotypical gamer image was dead?

Of course then the adolescent male gamers started spitting bile all over the Internet and firmly reestablished the stereotype that they are the dregs of society.

[Hobo]

The only reason Roger Ebert ever gave a Martin Scorsese film a good review was because they were friends! #NotYourSiskel

[Troy Maskell]

Mostly to Troy on this one:

If you really think GamerGate is about something else, ethics in journalism or whatever the fuck, why don't you just state your point about that plainly and not associate with a toxic group like GamerGate at all? Stand up for views you have, don't throw in with a bunch of shit heads who might believe something similar and then get pissed off when people rake you over the coals for all the shit they do.

Do you actually read any of my posts or do you just randomly quotemine and move on?

We go out there all the time and say "I Support Gamergate. I do NOT support Harrassment", we report people who use the tag to threaten those people and get their accounts banned, but do you know how easy it is to create a twitter account? If we change the tag do you really think the trolls aren't going to follow us?

I like that I'm accused of not reading your drivel in a post that clearly shows you haven't read mine.

I'll make one more attempt to spell this out for you: How about you go out there and no even fucking mention GamerGate? How about you go out there and just fucking say you're against bias in reviews or whatever stupid shit you'r e crusading on. Separate yourself completely, start a whole new movement, whatever. Instead you continue to preface everything with "I SUPPORT A GROUP THAT IS WIDELY KNOWN FOR HARASSMENT AND MISOGYNY...but I don't support that part of it!" And you wonder why people give you so much shit for it. GamerGate is a shitty "movement" filled with plenty of shitty people who do horrible things, maybe be fucking smart enough to no throw in with that lot if you don't want to be associated with all the shit they bring with them. Seems like common sense to me. Get it now?

Or hey, its fucking video games, go whine about something that actually fucking matters. Who cares if someone gave a positive review to a fucking indie game you'll probably never play. You don't give a shit, really and it doesn't affect you in the least. If you're worried about buying a game that got a good, perhaps unethical review and it turning out to be shit, boo fucking hoo, grow up and learn how to make informed decisions before purchasing. The same shit happens in industries that are far more important than video games will ever be.

Seriously Troy have you even played any of the games you keep mentioning?

In answer to your question, yes. Gone Home was okay, not a revelation but okay, Depression Quest isn't a game. Soundshelf is pretty terrible and the Anna Anthropy games are a mixed bag, some good, some terrible

[Maxx]

And how about the parts where I question your continued insistence on associating with a toxic brand, instead of striking out on your own and actually having a shot at credibility and not being constantly associated with harassment and misogyny? Anything on that front?

[SeanDMan]

Maxx, the issue of "why gamergate/why associate", you can slander anyone for the actions of a minority. there are times when I am ashamed to be a hockey fan, or a wrestling fan, because of drunken, racist, sexist, homophobic examples who make the news. Ultimately, though, it is about how each person reacts as to how they should be judged. generalizations are shortcuts for ignorant people.

As far as "it's just vidya" goes, we're now talking a multibillion dollar industry. the onl forms of entertainment I spent more money on last year than video games were cocaine and escort girls. Video games are a legitimate industry nowadays.

[Pizza]

Why are all the examples you are providing of small scale indy games? People on the ground floor of the small grassroots level of the gaming industry are friends? Shocking!

Why aren't you looking at AAA titles? Why aren't you looking at pre-release review embargoes? Why aren't you calling out games being advertised on sites that are supposedly objectively reviewing them? Those are real ethical problems. The developer of a small game/non-game about depression that was released for free might have had a relationship with a writer who mentioned that her game got greenlit? So what? Go after real problems if you actually care about ethics. Go after the money. Leave the hobbyists who if they are lucky might get to quit their day jobs alone.

[Troy Maskell]

And how about the parts where I question your continued insistence on associating with a toxic brand, instead of striking out on your own and actually having a shot at credibility and not being constantly associated with harassment and misogyny? Anything on that front?

Do you honestly think if we did that the misogynists would not follow to what ever statement or flag we put out there?

Why are all the examples you are providing of small scale indy games? People on the ground floor of the small grassroots level of the gaming industry are friends? Shocking!

Why aren't you looking at AAA titles? Why aren't you looking at pre-release review embargoes? Why aren't you calling out games being advertised on sites that are supposedly objectively reviewing them? Those are real ethical problems. The developer of a small game/non-game about depression that was released for free might have had a relationship with a writer who mentioned that her game got greenlit? So what? Go after real problems if you actually care about ethics. Go after the money. Leave the hobbyists who if they are lucky might get to quit their day jobs alone.

Oh there's been problems with AAA games too. Shadow of Mordor was well known for hiring a PR company who offered early access to the game in return for favourable reviews

[Maxx]

And how about the parts where I question your continued insistence on associating with a toxic brand, instead of striking out on your own and actually having a shot at credibility and not being constantly associated with harassment and misogyny? Anything on that front?

Do you honestly think if we did that the misogynists would not follow to what ever statement or flag we put out there?

This is one of the most pathetic excuses I have ever seen for anything, ever. You deserve the negative reactions you get, because you're too lazy, too scared or you don't care enough to actually try and get away from them.

[Your Mom]

Why are all the examples you are providing of small scale indy games? People on the ground floor of the small grassroots level of the gaming industry are friends? Shocking!

Why aren't you looking at AAA titles? Why aren't you looking at pre-release review embargoes? Why aren't you calling out games being advertised on sites that are supposedly objectively reviewing them? Those are real ethical problems. The developer of a small game/non-game about depression that was released for free might have had a relationship with a writer who mentioned that her game got greenlit? So what? Go after real problems if you actually care about ethics. Go after the money. Leave the hobbyists who if they are lucky might get to quit their day jobs alone.

Ubisoft is the real enemy here

[apsham]

Being a fan of a sports team or a fan of wrestling in general does not in any way equal the 'why associate with Gamergate issue'. In the least.

If I like hockey, I am a hockey fan.

If I ethics in gaming journalism, I am not necessarily a 'Gator'.

That's it.

[Kaney]

The content of the gamers are dead articles aren't the problem, the problem is that somehow about 10+ gaming websites all decided to write in depth articles about the same subject and post them on the same day. Sure it could just be that one journalist did it and lots of other journalists thought it was a good article so hastily wrote something within 12 hours, but it looks a lot more planned out than that.

That's a fair enough point but as Sean said that dude referring to it like "that's how we got August 28" is just being needlessly dramatic. It's not like it's 9/11.

[SeanDMan]

A lot of pro gg people, including tb, went after shadow of mordor for their branding deals, evolve for it's dlc scheme, gta for the recent content stripping through steam... tb, who is a pretty big sized youtuber, was one of the few people in gaming not to gush over alien isolation, as he boycotts sony games coverage due to their anti consumerist approach to youtubers several years back.

So there are people calling out the big dogs.