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Meacon    22,400

Muy muy

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The award of "First Major League Signing of the Offseason" goes to Jeff Mathis who signs a two-year pact with the Rangers.

If you want a testament to how good Mathis is defensively, look no further than the fact that he got a multi-year deal at 35 despite hitting .198 over 2400 career at-bats.

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Meacon    22,400

Yeah, average be damned when you throw out more than 40% of base stealers against you.

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damsher hatfield    9,305

The Orioles finally have a GM and it's a great hire!

I know we jumped into the awful timeline when the Cubs won the World Series, but if that's the timeline required for the Orioles to make sound baseball moves I could get used to it.

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Gabriel    946

The Jays made their first move of the off-season, sending Aledmys Diaz to Houston for their 24th ranked prospect, who is a starting pitcher. So they address the log-jam in the infield and add another arm to the minors.

It's not a bad swap. We need depth with pitching right now, and Diaz wasn't going to earn himself any time at 2nd or Short with the defensive numbers that he posted this season. We might miss his bat in the lineup, but I'm sure that we'll all forget about his 18 home runs and fairly impressive batting average as soon as Vlad Jr walks onto the field for his first regular season game. Plus, we still have too many major league level/bubble infielders to head into the season, so there will probably be more moves coming.

Moving Diaz also opens up some salary space. Diaz made $2 million last season, and Trent Thornton, the prospect obtained from Houston, will be added to the 40 man roster for the first time, so his salary will be considerably less.

Ownership said that the Salary will be considerably lower than last season, but if they can keep moving out excess pieces for smaller contracts with prospects, there might still be money there to lure JA Happ back and maybe fill another need or two with solid free agents. Obviously not top level guys, but if there's someone around who would still be productive during our anticipated window of opportunity, I don't see why they wouldn't at least have those discussions. It's important not to just throw this year away because they don't think that the team is good enough yet. It's also important though, not to spend big money on guys who won't be productive in 2 to 3 years when Vlad Jr, Bo Bichette, Cavan Biggio, Sean Reid-Foley, Danny Jansen, Rowdy Tellez and company are all considered to be prime pieces.

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Meacon    22,400
5 hours ago, damsher hatfield said:

The Orioles finally have a GM and it's a great hire!

I know we jumped into the awful timeline when the Cubs won the World Series, but if that's the timeline required for the Orioles to make sound baseball moves I could get used to it.

Yeah, I have to admit that was a great move. I feel like Peter Angelos must’ve been out of town and they hired Elias before he could get back.

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damsher hatfield    9,305
On 17/11/2018 at 18:29, Meacon said:

Yeah, I have to admit that was a great move. I feel like Peter Angelos must’ve been out of town and they hired Elias before he could get back.

His kids are mostly running the show now, so there was a lot of assumption that they'd go with Brady Anderson since he's an ass-kisser and hangs out with John Angelos as if they were friends.

That didn't happen. Sure sounds like Brady actually wound up with a demotion of some kind from where he was a season ago.

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I think there will be at least three inductees this year.

Mo should be unanimous (although he likely won't be), but he's of course going straight in with 95% or something.  Edgar Martinez is in his final year on the ballot and his vote totals have been trending in the right direction for him to get over the hump.  I always expected Halladay to get in but wondered if it would take two or three tries - with his tragic passing last year though I think that he's heading in on year one, and it's so sad that he's not here to see it.

My ballot if I had a vote:  Bonds, Clemens, Halladay, Martinez, Mussina, Rivera, Rolen, Sheffield, Wagner, Walker

All four of last years inductees were on my hypothetical 2018 ballot, so I've kept my six holdovers and given the other spots to Rivera, Halladay, Mussina, and (I think) Sheffield.  That last one was tough, you could've talked me into Kent over Sheffield but both of them are sadly way far away from enshrinement.  So is Wagner who I will keep supporting as I still firmly believe he was way better than Trevor Hoffman.

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Meacon    22,400

My votes to go in:

Barry Bonds
Rogers Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff
Mariano Rivera
Gary Sheffield
Larry Walker

My "Ask Me Later" Guys
Todd Helton
Andruw Jones
Mike Mussina
Andy Pettite
Scott Rolen
Manny Ramirez
Sammy Sosa

Billy Wagner

 

The top seven are guys that should have been put in already and that belong in there now. The bottom eight are guys that I kind of flip-flop on. Bonds would have hit 500 home runs, PED's or no. I can't necessarily say the same about Ramirez or Sosa. It's also why I'm hesitant to put Pettite in there. While I think Todd Helton was a great hitter, he just doesn't have the numbers to back up him getting in. Andruw Jones, I'm assuming, played clean or at least cleaner than most, so that makes it hard to look past his 450 homers. Mussina pitched in an era where guys were winning 300 games, so him coming up short does hurt his chances a little. 

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To me, Sosa is a case where he's just so far behind in the balloting...like, I think he only managed to stay on this year by a few votes, that he's just realistically not getting in and with only ten spots available I'd rather throw support behind someone who might have a shot.

While I don't know if Manny would've had over 500 home runs, I still think he would've been a brilliant hitter and PEDs don't have an impact on your timing.  He had the PED rumors swirling around him in the early 2000s but much like Bonds or Clemens, I wasn't going to penalize him absent a positive test in an era where there was an actual policy on it.  Him getting popped in 2009 (and again in 2011) was enough for me to disqualify him from consideration especially given how stacked the ballots were.

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Meacon    22,400
18 minutes ago, Buschie Van Wagenen said:

Huge trade.

Yankees get:

LHP James Paxton

Mariners get:

LHP Justus Sheffield, RHP Erik Swanson, OF Don Thompson-Williams

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Now to sign Patrick Corbin and one of either Harper/Machado, and I'd call that a nice little off-season. 

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damsher hatfield    9,305

Bonds, Clemens, Halladay, Jones, Martinez, McGriff, Mussina, Rivera, Rolen, Sheffield, Wagner, and Walker all should get in the Hall of Fame. Helton is pretty close. I assume a few of those guys will unfortunately have to wait until they wind up in some special committee vote in the distant future.

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GhostMachine    1,036

PED use will keep Bonds and Clemens out. Bonds due to suspicion of use. The idiotic crap he's pulled since retiring might also keep Schilling out, but he belongs in.

Clemens was my favorite pitcher before he turned out to be using, and I have no problem with him being denied entrance. The `well, he was good enough to get in before he used' argument doesn't work for me. 

 

 

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damsher hatfield    9,305

I don't think Schilling deserves to be in, he was right below that line during his playing career. He has a couple heroic postseason moments, but that's the extent of what might put him over.

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I don't penalize players for a lack of playoff appearances, but the ones who do make it and thrive get a huge bonus from me.  For me, that would give Schilling enough of a bump to go in.  But even though I know I'm not supposed to weigh non-baseball related stuff into a decision, he's just an asshole of the highest magnitude and for that reason I'd probably struggle to ever vote for him so long as there were at least ten other deserving candidates.

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Adrian Beltre has announced his retirement.  Hard to believe that he debuted way back in 1998.

3,166 hits, 477 HR, consistently amazing defense.  A no doubt, slam dunk first ballot Hall of Famer in 2024.

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24 minutes ago, Buschie Van Wagenen said:

Adrian Beltre has announced his retirement.  Hard to believe that he debuted way back in 1998.

3,166 hits, 477 HR, consistently amazing defense.  A no doubt, slam dunk first ballot Hall of Famer in 2024.

I saw that because of this Bartolo Colon is the last active player to have played during the 20th Century. It makes sense but it's still crazy to realize

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16 hours ago, damsher hatfield said:

I don't think Schilling deserves to be in, he was right below that line during his playing career. He has a couple heroic postseason moments, but that's the extent of what might put him over.

You know who is in the Hall of Fame and belongs in less than Schilling? Jack Morris, who was inducted this year. Worse career .ERA and a lot less strikeouts.

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damsher hatfield    9,305
5 hours ago, GhostMachine said:

You know who is in the Hall of Fame and belongs in less than Schilling? Jack Morris, who was inducted this year. Worse career .ERA and a lot less strikeouts.

I think I commented on that when he got in. His career numbers are below every starting pitcher in the Hall. And he didn't pitch during a time when offenses were going crazy like Schilling, Mussina, etc.

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Have we talked about how the Colorado Spring Sky Sox are now the Rocky Mountain Vibes. Look at this logo. Look at it.

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Meacon    22,400

How are they the Vibes? Looks’more like a s’more.

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Gabriel    946
45 minutes ago, Ms. Canadian Destroyer said:

Have we talked about how the Colorado Spring Sky Sox are now the Rocky Mountain Vibes. Look at this logo. Look at it.

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Why is he a god damn Flaming S'More? I can't wait to see what craziness their uniforms bring.

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DMN    3,305
7 hours ago, Ms. Canadian Destroyer said:

Have we talked about how the Colorado Spring Sky Sox are now the Rocky Mountain Vibes. Look at this logo. Look at it.

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Welp, I know what hat I'm getting. Need to pick up a Montgomery Biscuits one, too.

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