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MDK    23,196
9 hours ago, Jake O. Rhodes said:

And kissing the QB's helmet is right out.

Back in the day you could nosh your QB off and the ump wouldn't bat an eyelid. Games gone.

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Pooker    226
Just now, livid said:

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Jalen  Ramsey is great :wub:

He said some stuff about other QBs as well. It's a funny read.

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Meacxico    21,808

Ramsey said pretty much exactly what I said about Allen and Paxton Lynch. Coming from a small school is fine but you better be able to play well against top tier competition in college or you aren’t gonna cut it in the pros. My sister could throw touchdowns against Wyoming’s schedule.

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livid    1,863

Yeah, pretty much. The Josh Allen hype still boggles my mind. 

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damsher hatfield    9,227

Yeah, like, Carson Wentz was an FCS QB but he also won a ton at NDSU. Josh Allen played slightly better competition but didn't play well against them. I never knew what people saw in him besides a big arm.

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Meacxico    21,808
13 minutes ago, damsher hatfield said:

Yeah, like, Carson Wentz was an FCS QB but he also won a ton at NDSU. Josh Allen played slightly better competition but didn't play well against them. I never knew what people saw in him besides a big arm.

I think I said it a dozen times during the few years since we drafted Paxton Lynch, but you could see him at Memphis when he played a decent defense (Temple, not even an Alabama or Georgia, but Temple), he completely froze up, did not know how to properly read the defense, and shat the bed.

On one hand, I get the whole "Look at me for changes" that head coaches and offensive coordinators do in college nowadays, but that takes so much development away from quarterbacks. Paxton Lynch probably understands defenses as well as Myke does. :lol: 

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TCO    4,350

Josh Allen threw 56.2% completion in the Mountain West Conference. If that's not the reddest of red flags then I don't know what is.

The Carson Wentz comparisons stop when people realise he was really fucking good at North Dakota at least. 

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Meacxico    21,808
9 minutes ago, TCO said:

Josh Allen threw 56.2% completion in the Mountain West Conference. If that's not the reddest of red flags then I don't know what is.

But he's 6'5", TCO! 6'5"!

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munky    603

I watched a couple Wyoming games after the draft, just to see what we were getting. Josh was by far the most talented guy on that team. His receivers couldn't catch a cold, and his line was laughable. He'd be chased out of the pocket on damn near every play, throw to a wide open receiver and have the guy let it hit him in the face. Kinda hard to have a high completion percentage in that environment.

How about we let the preseason play out before he we label him a bust?

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TCO    4,350

I'm not labeling him a bust at all but he was definitely a reach. It's the NFL's fetishisation of these big guys with huge arms that causes it and it's not his fault but if he's thrown in at the deep end, he's gonna have to learn fast. NFL corners close windows at crazy speed.

Isn't 6'5 almost too tall for an NFL QB anyway? Has anybody over 6'4 had huge success. I'd imagine the release point on this big lads would be too high. I know it's one of Osweilier's many struggles. Like Aaron Rodgers is 6'2 and everybody knows that height isn't a problem for Brees or Russ.

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Meacxico    21,808
46 minutes ago, munky said:

I watched a couple Wyoming games after the draft, just to see what we were getting. Josh was by far the most talented guy on that team. His receivers couldn't catch a cold, and his line was laughable. He'd be chased out of the pocket on damn near every play, throw to a wide open receiver and have the guy let it hit him in the face. Kinda hard to have a high completion percentage in that environment.

How about we let the preseason play out before he we label him a bust?

I won't argue he wasn't the most talented guy on the team, but excuses are excuses. You know who else had mid-major talent around him? Ben Roethlisberger. But he completed nearly 70% his last year in college. Hell, Flacco (another Ramsey target) completed 62% of his passes at Delaware. You think he didn't play behind a less talented team in FCS level? The guy played at a (small, but still) D-1 program and they still went 8-5 and didn't win their conference. But if you believe he's going to be the guy to win you the AFC East and beyond, more power to you, but homie reeks of a kid who played well against the same weaker talent he was saddled with, and performing like a deer in headlights against the same guys he's going up against in the NFL. 

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munky    603

I don't believe anything about him yet. He hasn't done anything yet, one way or the other.

I'm not trying to sound hostile, but I've been reading these same "takes" from people with only surface level understanding (ie: r/nfl) of the situation for months. It's beginning to get stale.

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Meacxico    21,808

Fair enough. If I'm wrong in two or three years and he's good, I'll gladly admit to it.

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munky    603

And if he's the shits, I'll gladly admit it.

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Plubby    3,133
9 hours ago, Meacxico said:

But he's 6'5", TCO! 6'5"!

 

8 hours ago, TCO said:

I'm not labeling him a bust at all but he was definitely a reach. It's the NFL's fetishisation of these big guys with huge arms that causes it and it's not his fault but if he's thrown in at the deep end, he's gonna have to learn fast. NFL corners close windows at crazy speed.

Isn't 6'5 almost too tall for an NFL QB anyway? Has anybody over 6'4 had huge success. I'd imagine the release point on this big lads would be too high. I know it's one of Osweilier's many struggles. Like Aaron Rodgers is 6'2 and everybody knows that height isn't a problem for Brees or Russ.

 

Brock Osweiler threw a 100-yard pick six against Boise State in his final college game (56-24 victory for Kellen Moore btw). Did they really think he was going to magically learn to throw a football just because he was standing kind of near John Elway?!

 

The old saying in football and basketball held true with Osweiler and Lynch and maybe now we'll see it in Allen: Little guys have to prove they can play in the league. Big guys have to prove that they can't.

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Lineker    34,254

Elway says that Denver are 'strongly considering' adding a veteran QB to back-up Keenum - meaning the end of the line forPaxton Lynch, effectively.

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Maxx    17,128

I hope its Byron Leftwich.

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I hope it's John Elway.

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24 minutes ago, North Of Seattle SeaCattle said:

I hope it's John Elway.

I'm holding out hope for a Dilfer comeback.

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Maxx    17,128

I'll settle for either of the Detmer brothers.

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Has Josh McCown signed anywhere?

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Pooker    226

Wasn't Jeff Garica training for a comeback?

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Stick Stickly    1,031

I bet <yet to be mentioned former Browns starter> has some tread on the tires.

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