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There were two outs...all they had to do was step on first base 

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Not gonna lie, for a minute I thought you meant there was a pandemic in 2017 and I was over here like "fuck, I knew I spent most of 2017 pretty fucked up, but did I miss a whole-ass other pandemic?!"

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MLB and the MLBPA are said to have made good progress but not enough that it'll all get ironed out by Thursday.  So there will definitely be a lockout as expected, but hopefully it won't be as long as people thought.

One thing that sounds like it has a good chance of happening is a playoff expansion to 14 teams.  The owners obviously want it for the TV revenue.  Of all the concessions the players can make, it seems like one that could be sold as being a benefit to them from the standpoint that it could help solve some of the tanking, thereby getting more teams to spend.

As a fan though, it would suck.  162 games over 6 months is a long time to ask fans to be invested if you're just going to let nearly half the league in anyway.

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I keep forgetting that the Jays still have Hyun Jin Ryu when I think about their 2022 rotation. He wasn't as good in 2021, but he's a good piece to have. I'd still like to see the Jays add one more arm to the rotation. Alex Manoah had a good debut but he's only got a little over 100 big league innings so far, so I don't want to rely on him to be a key piece next season.

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With Gausman signed, I feel like the Jays are going to pivot to their infield need and bullpen arms for the time being. The free agent market for starters isn't great considering that they're going to be looking at recent deals to help gauge where they think they should be. Better to wait it out and buy low on a couple potential bounce back arms.

But if there's a trade to be had, that makes sense for our needs, I think Atkins will pull the trigger there on a starter or infielder. If they can land Chris Taylor as a free agent, that makes one of their outfielders available to be used to try and pry another starter through trade.

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1 minute ago, Gabriel said:

With Gausman signed, I feel like the Jays are going to pivot to their infield need and bullpen arms for the time being. The free agent market for starters isn't great considering that they're going to be looking at recent deals to help gauge where they think they should be. Better to wait it out and buy low on a couple potential bounce back arms.

But if there's a trade to be had, that makes sense for our needs, I think Atkins will pull the trigger there on a starter or infielder. If they can land Chris Taylor as a free agent, that makes one of their outfielders available to be used to try and pry another starter through trade.

But who would they trade? I don't think Randal Grichuk holds a ton of power, and Teoscar and Springer are players you want to build around. I guess it's Gurriel Jr., and I have no clue what his value is on the market.

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4 minutes ago, Toe said:

But who would they trade? I don't think Randal Grichuk holds a ton of power, and Teoscar and Springer are players you want to build around. I guess it's Gurriel Jr., and I have no clue what his value is on the market.

Grichuk is the guy you want to try and move in that situation, but it's more likely Gurriel. I believe Gurriel has more team control, and definitely more upside. Grichuk is a masher though, albeit a streaky one. He'll definitely have interest from teams, it's just a matter of whether or not he's enough to get the conversation going on a Jose Ramirez or Matt Chapman trade... or a deal for a starter from a team in need of outfield help and wanting to move pitching money.

IF the Jays sign Taylor or anyone else who can play the outfield, I believe fully that Grichuk or Gurriel will be moved very quickly afterward. More likely to be Gurriel, but I don't see Atkins getting fleeced in a deal here either. If the ask from a partner is Gurriel, the return to the Jays is going to be a controllable player who fits a clear need.

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12 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

I admit to not following the American League very closely. Do I want Frazier on my team? Like I thought he was a bigger kinda name but we grabbed him somehow? Something seems off to me

An AAAA player that is sort of OK at playing outfield.

 

He also has good cleats.

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On 29/11/2021 at 23:42, CM Busch said:

MLB and the MLBPA are said to have made good progress but not enough that it'll all get ironed out by Thursday.  So there will definitely be a lockout as expected, but hopefully it won't be as long as people thought.

Welp...so much for that optimism.  On the final day of the CBA, MLB negotiators walked out a mere seven minutes into their scheduled meeting with union leaders.

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As expected, the owners unanimously voted to lock out the players and it took effect at 12:01 AM Eastern.

MLB.com along with all official team sites removed all articles pertaining to recent player transactions, as if they never happened. All player pictures were removed from the roster pages too.

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Lol and he's super butthurt and QTing and replying to tweets calling out what an awful "solution" it is. 

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