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THE METS RALLIED IN THE 9TH TO COME BACK AND ACTUALLY WIN FOR DEGROM.  THIS IS NOT A DRILL.

Best baseball highlight of the week comes from Taiwan.  

IMAGINE LIVING 10 MINUTES AWAY FROM THERE This kind of stupidity is why I went out of my way to get vaccinated as quickly as possible.  Thankfully within a week they'll stop seeing crowds like that

3 minutes ago, Buschie Lee said:

They protected his injury diagnosis like it was the nuclear codes for the longest time. Strange situation.

Also just realized we’re due for a new thread now that we’ve got a normal season underway.

We can carry the convo over here. That's how the Yankees treated Stanton and, lesser so but still a bit, Judge's injuries. Even last year, all they said was Luke Voit had "foot stuff". :lol: Teams are just weird about injury stuff.

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It’s funny because I mean, nobody‘s medical stuff should be public record unless the player OKs it.  But when a team is intentionally vague it’s inevitably going to spark media speculation, especially with the New York teams.

They were so quiet on Lowrie’s status I felt he might’ve fell into the Springfield Mystery Spot like Ozzie Smith.

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12 minutes ago, Lowerdeck said:

Has the regular season started yet?

April 1st was opening day!

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If I'm the opposing manager, I want to get the umps to check Ohtani's bat after that. 

Not because I think he cheated. I'd just want all my guys to be using that same brand of bat. What an amazing sound. 

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I think Texas is trying to kill the Jays. Like literally. First their pitcher hits two players in a row and now a deflected bat takes out Jansen! But he’s a warrior so he stays in the game.

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Brian O’Nora is having a terrible game behind the plate today.  Then I realized he was the ump arrested in a human trafficking sex sting operation this December.

As if Angel Hernandez, Joe West, and CB Bucknor weren’t already proof that the umpire union is basically unstoppable.

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deGrom tosses 6 scoreless innings, absolutely cruising at only 77 pitches.  Rojas said pre-game he could get close to 100 but of course they pull him anyway and the bullpen blows it spectacularly.

Already in mid season form.  Sigh.

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6 hours ago, Buschie Lee said:

Just felt my anxiety spike.

IMAGINE LIVING 10 MINUTES AWAY FROM THERE

This kind of stupidity is why I went out of my way to get vaccinated as quickly as possible.  Thankfully within a week they'll stop seeing crowds like that, cause the Rangers suck.

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Given how data driven the league is now, I'd love to know why it's still universally accepted around front offices that managing innings is the best way to limit a pitcher's workload vs. worrying about their pitch count.

To me, it seems that not all innings are created equal. But even the "smart" teams place a great concern on innings so I'd guess there's a science there. Maybe it's the potential strain of every time a pitcher has to come back out of the dugout cold to warm up again? I don't know.

It'll be a talking point this year because coming off a season where the league leader threw 84 innings, every pitcher in baseball is going to be on an innings watch. Obvious playoff teams like the Yankees and Dodgers might not fully take the harnesses off of their guys until the All Star Break.

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Is it inning count or is it more times through the order? Because there is a pretty strong amount of data on how much worse your average pitcher does his third time through the order.

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13 minutes ago, Meacon Keaton said:

Is it inning count or is it more times through the order? Because there is a pretty strong amount of data on how much worse your average pitcher does his third time through the order.

I assume that would be a timing issue? Batters would tend to catch on to a pitcher by the third time they see them? I heard that mentioned during the first game between Yankees/Jays on the weekend. It was mentioned how the Jay's pitcher needed to change his cadence.

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2 minutes ago, Forky said:

I assume that would be a timing issue? Batters would tend to catch on to a pitcher by the third time they see them? I heard that mentioned during the first game between Yankees/Jays on the weekend. It was mentioned how the Jay's pitcher needed to change his cadence.

Yeah, by the third time you can get a pitchers timing down and you have the two previous at bats to analyze how he approached your at bats. You’re able to pick up maybe an arm angle or the way he holds his glove or just what pitch he or where he likes to put the ball on certain counts. There’s just so much more information to consume and help you prepare.

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My question was specific to player health for this year.  I think even the top flight pitchers might struggle to hit 200 innings this year because of how careful teams reportedly want to be after last year messed up everyone's schedules.  My point was more that innings counts feel arbitrary vs. number of pitches thrown but clearly front offices are seeing other data.  When deGrom was pulled yesterday he'd thrown just 77 pitches over six innings, had retired the last nine batters he faced and the last pitch he threw was a 100 MPH heater to the best hitter on the squad.  Opening Day or not, there was a time you never dream of pulling someone in that spot.

But I do understand the hook for the younger, inexperienced pitchers.  Generally the front line rotation pitchers are the ones know how to vary their approaches each time through the order to keep hitters guessing.  But even the great pitchers who come up from the minor leagues need some time in the big leagues to learn that lesson the hard way.  All through their high school, collegiate, minor league career they've been able to blow opposing hitters away purely on their stuff, the big leagues is the first time they're met with competition who begin to pick up on their tendencies.  For some of those guys, the bigs is where they learn how to actually pitch.

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Innings count does have some effect. The start/stop can wear down your arm. You go from throwing heat to sitting down, and back and forth. Eventually, there's a point where you can notice the effects of that on your performance.

Everybody is different, but I used to hate going back out to pitch after a long half inning just sitting in the dugout. Your muscles aren't as loose, and you lose the momentum you'd been riding because of an extended break between pitches. The last year that I played, I would actually throw side sessions in-between innings if I wasn't scheduled to bat. Just to keep my arm warm and ready to go.

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There's certainly a mix of multiple factors, but the biggest thing dictating decisions now is the 3rd time through the order data. It's relatively solid that, all things being equal, you have a higher probability of winning if you don't let your starter see the batters for 3 times in a game. Obviously with regards to aces this might not be completely true, but it's how teams frame their decisions.

Health will have some to do with how pitchers are managed but it's the 3rd time through the order that is chiefly affecting decisions.

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