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MUSIC POLL #4: KsE vs Trivium


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Which is the better band?  

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  1. 1. Which is the best band of these three?

    • Howard Jones era KsE
      7
    • Jesse Leach era KsE
      8
    • Trivium
      12


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Just because music is comercial doesn't mean that it is suddenly rubbish. Too many people are up their own arses about the whole record sales thing, if no one wants to buy your music it doesn't mean you're some epic, underground band - it more than likely means you're shit.

Commercial success and musical integrity aren't mutually exclusive.

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Just because music is comercial doesn't mean that it is suddenly rubbish. Too many people are up their own arses about the whole record sales thing, if no one wants to buy your music it doesn't mean you're some epic, underground band - it more than likely means you're shit.

Commercial success and musical integrity aren't mutually exclusive.

I never said they were, nor did I say that music being commercial automatically makes it rubbish. I said that when it's obvious that a band has altered their sound to make it more commercial, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for them.

I'm not the sort of person who hates bands if they're successful, plenty of bands I like have sold millions.

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Haven't heard much of any of them - but like "Rose of Sharyn" so HJ KsE get my vote!

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It was a hard decision for me to make because I love both bands a lot, but I went with Leach era KsE.

The decision between Leach and Jones came down to the fact that the Leach era is the one that got me into metal, so naturally I'll choose them, though I don't agree with the assessment of Jones, as I think he's a solid vocalist who is more diverse and "commercial friendly" than Leach was. Don't forget, Jones isn't just melody, he can scream his fucking lungs out when he wants to.

And the whole Trivium thing, I disagree with Skumfrog, because just because he changed the sound of the song doesn't mean that he was doing it for more air play. It's always a distinct possibility that he himself didn't like it that much and would've liked a change for everybody to hear. Like wannabe said, if they changed their sound drastically from album to album then the word sellout would be used quite often but just because they made it big and you apparently have a dislike for anybody within 10 feet of the band, doesn't mean that they're just in for the money. Let's not forget that the it's not always the band at fault, especially since they made it big, seemingly, out of nowhere, because who had heard of them prior to "Pull Harder..."? Not many, I know that for sure.

Oh and for the record, I hate the bad rap that metalcore gets, as there are plenty of good bands out there considered to be in that genre. Unearth and All That Remains spring to mind immeadiately when thinking of those bands.

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For a start, I don't hate them "because they made it big". I'd hate them if I heard them five years ago, I'd hate them if I saw them at a gig playing to five people, I just think they're a terrible band. I'm not the sort of person to hate a band because they're successful. If I was, I wouldn't like half the bands I like.

Secondly, yeah, there's the possibility that he changed the song because he didn't like it. But when the song in question is the one he released as a single, and the change he made was it to make it more radio-friendly, I think you can put two and two together and make the assumption that it'll make four, don't you?

There's one thing more annoying in music than elitists who hate bands as soon as they become popular, and that's people who assume that the only possible reason to hate their favourite band is because they're popular. Trivium would be a terrible band regardless of how many albums they've sold, and it irritates me that you've all latched on to my point about commercialism, which has far more to do with my dislike of Matt Heafy as an individual than it does of my dislike for the band, which comes entirely from the fact that they're derivative shite.

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For a start, I don't hate them "because they made it big". I'd hate them if I heard them five years ago, I'd hate them if I saw them at a gig playing to five people, I just think they're a terrible band. I'm not the sort of person to hate a band because they're successful. If I was, I wouldn't like half the bands I like.

Secondly, yeah, there's the possibility that he changed the song because he didn't like it. But when the song in question is the one he released as a single, and the change he made was it to make it more radio-friendly, I think you can put two and two together and make the assumption that it'll make four, don't you?

There's one thing more annoying in music than elitists who hate bands as soon as they become popular, and that's people who assume that the only possible reason to hate their favourite band is because they're popular. Trivium would be a terrible band regardless of how many albums they've sold, and it irritates me that you've all latched on to my point about commercialism, which has far more to do with my dislike of Matt Heafy as an individual than it does of my dislike for the band, which comes entirely from the fact that they're derivative shite.

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For information purposes, I've never believed you have hated them because they were popular, Skummy. You share a lot of similar attitudes towards them that I know of other people who detest them. However, as much as they possibly get love because everyone else loves them, I'm sure they have a hate bandwagon as well, thats just the way these things work.

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I'm actually going to (semi) change my vote to Howard Jones era KsE. Why? Watch the (Set This) World Ablaze DVD and you'll know what's up. Don't get me wrong, Leach was an amazing vocalist and still believe he could have a great thing going in Seemless, but I just feel that Howard commands the stage a lot better than Jesse seemingly (in the clips I've seen of him as their frontman) ever did and adds a booming and epic, yet metal-friendly voice to the band that just rounds the band out more as a whole. Howard knows what he's doing and does it better, even Jesse admits that because had no idea how to pace himself with his screaming and singing, etc. and admits that Howard's probably the better fit for what the band's trying to do now than he does and is perfectly happy with Seemless.

That being said, I will always admire each version of KsE as they both bring different things to the table, but after seeing the DVD and remembering some of the stuff at Ozzfest, I can say that Howard's a better frontman in terms of energy and voice than Jesse.

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What songs have you heard, I can help.

The biggest songs of Leach-era KsE were Just Barely Breathing, Fixation On The Darkness, Life To Lifeless and My Last Serenade.

The biggest songs of Jones-era KsE are Rose Of Sharyn, The End Of Heartache, As Darkness Falls and a remade Fixation On The Darkness.

The more I talk about it, and the more I list songs and such, the more I realise how much I preferred older KsE.

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