General Movie Thread

[K]

the backlash is because disney is making being gay a punchline, and they haven't even given the job to a gay person. 

[K]

ummmmm..... HBK... are you alright?

[MDK]

11 hours ago, K said:

the backlash is because disney is making being gay a punchline, and they haven't even given the job to a gay person. 

How would it be less offensive if they gave the job of making gay people a joke by letting a gay person do it?

[Josh]

It wouldn’t be. They shouldn’t be making a gay person into a joke at all.

[Colly]

And if the joke is "hah, gay!" I agree with you, but surely that's impossible to judge at this stage? 

[Josh]

Going by their own description, that’s absolutely the joke.

[JasonM]

2 hours ago, El Hijosh del Ice Cream said:

It wouldn’t be. They shouldn’t be making a gay person into a joke at all.

I mean, yeah. This, really.

Let the character be funny because they're funny, not be funny because 'look he's gay, how funny!'. This just feels weird, like a caricature from the 70s rather than something from the late 2010s.

One's sexuality shouldn't really be a punchline OR a defining character *trait* anymore, whether that's LGBT+ OR Straight. It's weird and backwards. It just hammers back this archaic idea that non-straight people are inherently different/weirder/funnier than straight people, which is bullshit.

People can use openly gay actor NPH playing a super-straight ladykiller for years and being brilliant at the role as an example of 'why is it acceptable when it's the other way around', but it's still different, it just is. Being straight is 'normal' behaviour in the eyes of people, and as a straight person, I don't need to fear ridicule for being straight, whereas non-straight people do.

Ultimately I feel one's sexuality shouldn't ever matter when it comes to the character being played. Gay people can be badasses, straight people can be pansies, because it shouldn't matter who they are attracted to.

Edited August 14, 2018 by Jasonmufc

[GoGo Yubari]

7 hours ago, MDK said:

How would it be less offensive if they gave the job of making gay people a joke by letting a gay person do it?

I mean, the context of jokes absolutely changes based on who's telling the joke, and what you know about the person telling it.

But regardless. We don't have a script, we don't know anything about the character beyond some basic things that you'd think Disney would have categorically refuted, it's entirely possible that the character is great, and that Jack Whitehall can play the part well! But at the same time, I don't blame people for being exasperated. It's not simply "straight people shouldn't play gay characters," IMO. It's that if this is the first major character in a Disney blockbuster who is gay and that's acknowledged in a way more overt than one brief shot, you probably should make efforts to have a gay actor play the part and, ideally, to not have the character feel like a dated stereotype. That stuff matters to people, regardless of whether it matters to you specifically. It mattered that a black man wrote and directed Black Panther, it mattered that a woman was behind the camera for Wonder Woman.

Blockbuster movies are in a very weird place right now with LGBT characters, where repeatedly there's talk before or after the movie that a character in it is gay or bisexual, but all evidence of that in the movie itself is left on the cutting room floor (see: Power Rangers, Thor: Ragnarok, Jurassic World 2) or momentary "see? That was A Gay Moment! That second right there!" (Beauty and the Beast, the lesbian couple in a whole second of Finding Dory that people made an uproar about for whatever reason). This would be a step forward in that regard, but going solely on the provided information it feels like a step forward to like the late '90s. Who knows. We'll see.

[Colly]

2 hours ago, El Hijosh del Ice Cream said:

Going by their own description, that’s absolutely the joke.

Is the announcement anywhere, I'm still struggling to find it. 

[K]

10 minutes ago, GoGo Yubari said:

 

Blockbuster movies are in a very weird place right now with LGBT characters, where repeatedly there's talk before or after the movie that a character in it is gay or bisexual, but all evidence of that in the movie itself is left on the cutting room floor (see: Power Rangers, Thor: Ragnarok, Jurassic World 2) or momentary "see? That was A Gay Moment! That second right there!" (Beauty and the Beast, the lesbian couple in a whole second of Finding Dory that people made an uproar about for whatever reason). 

Or the creators head canon is that they're gay and we're supposed to just accept that as good enough, (star trek, star wars, Harry potter)

[Josh]

I’ve realized the description comes from “a source”, according to that Sun article. So, perhaps that particular part will wind up an unfair judgement.

That said, it’s still a matter of representation.

[Colly]

Ta, just trying to see if I've missed something clearer. 

[MDK]

Hang on I've just seen some of the backlash on Twitter about Jack Whitehall playing a gay man.

He is about as camp as you can get without setting the drapes on fire.

[K]

the netflix movie How It Ends can kiss my whole arse

[Roster Depth Sicko No. 2]

On 14/08/2018 at 00:03, K said:

ummmmm..... HBK... are you alright?

Wait is this a real thing?

[K]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6172666/

https://variety.com/2016/film/news/avengers-of-justice-farce-wars-amy-smart-stephen-rannazzisi-shawn-michaels-1201895696/

[Colly]

Did I miss some massive scandal involving Amy Smart that means this is what she does now? 

[livid]

This seems silly but I dig it!

 

[livid]

Oh yeah and Netflix has a couple of cool movies coming out

 

 

[Colly]

Beards.