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Daredevil renewed for a second season to come out next year!

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Showing everything Wanda had to go through instead of just hearing about it was just so tragic.  I know fully The Scarlett Witch is not a future big bad because there is no way I could dislike her.

 

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Give Kathryn Hahn all the Best Supporting Actress awards.  I'm still not sold that she's a villain

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She’s not going to be a villain in your typical sense, she was persecuted by her own people for wanting to better herself, she’s probably studied at the table of bad people but now she’s building a coven of sorts.

If Anya is the Yellow Witch, the Steve is the Green one.

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17 hours ago, Azazel said:
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Showing everything Wanda had to go through instead of just hearing about it was just so tragic.  I know fully The Scarlett Witch is not a future big bad because there is no way I could dislike her.

 

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This is exactly why I'd like to see her as a big bad.

 

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Hang on, didn't Hayward show footage to SWORD/Dennings etc where Wanda broke in to a secure facility to steal Vision's body? So either he has completely manufactured that or Wanda showed Agnes a fake memory as to how Westview came to be. Hope it's a loose end that's tied up, but there seems to be a hell of a lot of them to tie up.

 

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I can't remember if we see her steal Vision's body in those past episodes or if the footage was only for her smashing into the room / through the doors... which we saw in that memory.. 

I think he manufactured the footage to cut out before she leaves with the body though.... and then told the story he needed to tell to hide the fact they were rebuilding a new, stronger, Vision. 

That was my take away... but again, I don't remember if we saw her leave with the body or not.

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53 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeShabadoo said:
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Hang on, didn't Hayward show footage to SWORD/Dennings etc where Wanda broke in to a secure facility to steal Vision's body? So either he has completely manufactured that or Wanda showed Agnes a fake memory as to how Westview came to be. Hope it's a loose end that's tied up, but there seems to be a hell of a lot of them to tie up.

 

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You don't actually see Wanda take Vision's body. In Episode 5, you see basically what Wanda showed us in her memories and the video cuts out just after she lands by Vision's body. 

 

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Something I’m unclear about 

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Back in Episode 4, when Woo meets with Monica, they talk to the police who tell them Westview doesn’t exist, and they are from Eastview.  But in this episode we see Wanda driving into Westview, and it’s all labeled as such, before she transforms it all.  
 

Is this to say she just wiped the knowledge of the town out of people’s memory after she transformed it?  There was an exit sign on the highway for it when Monica drove there, so that would indicate she didn’t do a very good job of hiding it.  And yet the cops are claiming no such place exists, and Woo’s informant disappeared and now no one has ever heard of him.

 

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I'm sure they mentioned pretty early on that the whole "Eastview' thing was Wanda affecting their memories just as a bit of misdirection, not that the town itself doesn't actually exist.

 

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WV Episode 8

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I really enjoyed the episode, naturally, and Vision's "what is grief if not love persevering" line is one of the most beautiful scripted lines I can remember. That said...

I'm more than a little concerned how willing everyone involved in the show is to, essentially, troll the most hardcore fans by making vague comments that can be easily interpreted as being something major, only for them to pull the rug out. So far we've had:

  • Evan Peters being cast as Pietro, making everyone think the Fox X-Men were coming in or that the multiverse was open for business, only for it to be confirmed as nothing but a stunt casting by Kevin Feige and the Pietro in the show could have been played by literally anyone for all it mattered.
  • Teyonah Parris stating that "[she] can't wait to see what y'all's reaction is when you learn who the aerospace engineer is.", only for it to turn out to be no-one of any importance (unless she turns out to be a Skrull i guess). If it really is just random aerospace engineer #239 then that quote makes it look like she was looking forward to seeing how disappointed/angry everyone would be.
  • And now it seems like Paul Bettany's "huge actor that he's always wanted to work with" is going to be... himself, when Hex Vision and White Vision square off in the finale.

 

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3 hours ago, Chris2K said:

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I really enjoyed the episode, naturally, and Vision's "what is grief if not love persevering" line is one of the most beautiful scripted lines I can remember. That said...

I'm more than a little concerned how willing everyone involved in the show is to, essentially, troll the most hardcore fans by making vague comments that can be easily interpreted as being something major, only for them to pull the rug out. So far we've had:

  • Evan Peters being cast as Pietro, making everyone think the Fox X-Men were coming in or that the multiverse was open for business, only for it to be confirmed as nothing but a stunt casting by Kevin Feige and the Pietro in the show could have been played by literally anyone for all it mattered.
  • Teyonah Parris stating that "[she] can't wait to see what y'all's reaction is when you learn who the aerospace engineer is.", only for it to turn out to be no-one of any importance (unless she turns out to be a Skrull i guess). If it really is just random aerospace engineer #239 then that quote makes it look like she was looking forward to seeing how disappointed/angry everyone would be.
  • And now it seems like Paul Bettany's "huge actor that he's always wanted to work with" is going to be... himself, when Hex Vision and White Vision square off in the finale.

 

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It will be actually pretty hilarious if none of it is a troll job and we get all of it in the finale.

 

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I was going to say... Finale hasn't happened so who know about those last two. 

Evan Peters' stunt casting was obvious from the start. Really wishful thinking from fans... the multiverse thing is happening, it's the name of the next Dr. Strange movie... but I think the Fox Films are going to stay separate from the MCU. No cross overs. 

Which imo is fine. I enjoy the X-Men movies for what they are but I'm looking forward to seeing what the MCU does with these characters and their world, and how they relate to the one they've created. 

 

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14 hours ago, Jimmy said:
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This is exactly why I'd like to see her as a big bad.

 

Yeah, they tried to give Thanos some pathos with that scene of him sitting quietly after murderizing half the galaxy but it just came off as funny because his motivations were so asinine and meaningless. It would be nice to see a more complex villain in the MCU, whether that's where this is going or not.

Finally started the series earlier this week and got caught up today.

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Overall its pretty good, but I miss the sitcom pastiches and self-contained nature of the early episodes. The bigger picture plot stuff is kinda just there.

I also just completely missed the Quicksilver bit, not even realizing it wasn't the actor who played him in the MCU until multiple people pointed out he'd been recast.

 

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9 hours ago, LittleDaniel said:

Yeah, they tried to give Thanos some pathos with that scene of him sitting quietly after murderizing half the galaxy but it just came off as funny because his motivations were so asinine and meaningless. It would be nice to see a more complex villain in the MCU, whether that's where this is going or not.

Finally started the series earlier this week and got caught up today.

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I think Thanos as a whole couldn't ever have humanized in any sort of way, since "Wants to arbitrarily genocide half the galaxy's population" doesn't leave much in the way of subtlety whatsoever.

But they could've given him a little bit more reason than the inane "My planet got decimated due to overpopulation, so I need to decimate every other planet in the galaxy to prevent them from being decimated." reason they went with in the end.

But again, Thanos -for all their half-assed attempts at humanizing- was never remotely a morally righteous person. And just him shedding a tear over chucking one daughter off a cliff doesn't really mix well with the fact that he decided to mercilessly torture the other daughter.

 

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1 hour ago, Jasonmufc said:

But they could've given him a little bit more reason than the inane "My planet got decimated due to overpopulation, so I need to decimate every other planet in the galaxy to prevent them from being decimated." reason they went with in the end.

Not sure what other alternatives there could have been though, other than the whole courting Death angle and that would have been far too bonkers for the MCU, at the time anyway. 

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This might have been a little too much for me. I can't really read Marvel comics, because the constant retcons and contradicting lore, plus the matter-of-fact "superpowers and magic are just everywhere, deal with it" setting doesn't really work for me. 

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This "Scarlet Witch" reveal specifically reminds me of a bit in Spider-Man comics where it turned out the spider that bit him didn't give him powers because it was radioactive, it was a magic spider that gave him powers because he's the latest in a long line of "spider totems" or some such bullshit. I always liked the Infinity Stones as the main catalyst for superpowers in the MCU, and I think this retcon cheapens Wanda's backstory a little bit.

The MCU was built up so carefully for a long time, and I think it's in danger of disappearing up its own ass.

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I disagree with that assessment. 
 

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I don't think it's a retcon... it's always been part of the story that they were the only two to survive the experiments... now we have a better idea why. They are superpowered, in a way (and even that was left up in the air... are they superpowered naturally or were they chosen BY the Infinity Stones / Universe to be these powered beings ... we now know she is The Scarlet Witch... what that means or entails is yet to be determined... 

It could just be some kind of Phoenix situation where she was chosen as the host / next in line. 

To me, it made the MCU a little more interesting... how many more Alien invasion storylines can we do? So now, if we're moving away from the Blip and Snap and slowly edging towards the arrival of Mutants and Superpowered Beings and all that jazz, it gives the Universe more depth. 

I'm not really sure how to respond to the "Superpower lore doesn't sit well with me..." because... it's the MCU. The whole thing is literally about superpowered humans. We've seen them activated via radioactive energy, science experiements gone wrong, science experiements gone right, military experiements, serums, aliens, intergalactic stones and magic.... The fact is that the superhuman lore being accepted as the norm thing has been part of the series since the start, with Captain America during WW2 and even Hulk wasn't hiding from the general public... so it is common knowledge, and has been accepted already.. 

I'm more than ready to see what the next step in that is. It seems like they're going into a "Thank You for saving the world and also fuck you freaks" story, and that could be very interesting (especially in relation to current events).

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I don't think it's a retcon... it's always been part of the story that they were the only two to survive the experiments... now we have a better idea why. They are superpowered, in a way (and even that was left up in the air... are they superpowered naturally or were they chosen BY the Infinity Stones / Universe to be these powered beings ... we now know she is The Scarlet Witch... what that means or entails is yet to be determined...  
 

 

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It literally is a retcon, though. There was never any question of why the Stone gave them superpowers; the Stones just do that (see: Carol Danvers), and Ultron stated explicitly his belief that the reason they were the only two who survived Strucker's experiment is because of the trauma they'd gone through and their pure focus on what Tony Stark had done to them and will to take revenge - which to my mind has much more poetry to it then Wanda just being a mystical whosit. And I don't believe for a second that any of this was in mind when the Age of Ultron script was being written.

I didn't say anything about "superpower lore doesn't sit well with me...", I just don't vibe with how it's presented in the comics. It's fine, and I get why people like it, it's just not my speed. The MCU was for a long time very thrifty with its superpower lore and they tried to draw from a lot of the same sources and tie it together (the serums, the Stones, SHIELD). I think it's too easy and loses something if the world is just completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots.

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Could it not just be that Agatha has heard rumours or a prophecy of someone with these powers? Doesn’t mean it’s exactly what it is. The stone gave them to her, we know exactly what we knew before.

I mean Steve is gonna be the Emerald Witch or some shit and he learnt his powers.

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14 hours ago, Jasonmufc said:

I think Thanos as a whole couldn't ever have humanized in any sort of way, since "Wants to arbitrarily genocide half the galaxy's population" doesn't leave much in the way of subtlety whatsoever.

But they could've given him a little bit more reason than the inane "My planet got decimated due to overpopulation, so I need to decimate every other planet in the galaxy to prevent them from being decimated." reason they went with in the end.

But again, Thanos -for all their half-assed attempts at humanizing- was never remotely a morally righteous person. And just him shedding a tear over chucking one daughter off a cliff doesn't really mix well with the fact that he decided to mercilessly torture the other daughter.

 

I think Thanos' reason was more because the elders on Titan rejected his idea of killing half of the population so the planet could survive, and when Titan's inhabitants all eventually died or whatever, he probably built that idea up in his head even more as the solution to overpopulation in the galaxy. 

The same people who see Thanos as an anti-hero or try to humanize him are the same ones that do that shit to the Joker. I don't think Marvel was trying to justify his actions or make him more relatable to the audience or whatever, but they clearly had to flesh out his motives and character more in one movie since before Infinity War, he maybe had a total of >5 minutes on screen.

13 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeShabadoo said:

Not sure what other alternatives there could have been though, other than the whole courting Death angle and that would have been far too bonkers for the MCU, at the time anyway. 

Hard disagree there. Up to that point in the MCU, we've already had talking raccoons, sentient trees, Dr. Strange meets Inception, etc. The only real drawback to Thanos & Death in the MCU, in my mind, was that Hela was already a thing and you'd have to explain how Hela & Death are different when audiences just saw Cate Blanchett's character refer to herself as the Goddess of Death, etc. And in a wink & a nod kind of way, already established that Thanos would be courting death to face the Avengers, and he loved that idea. Nothing up until Infinity War gave me the impression that he has a death wise, or likes a challenge (since he did have others try to get the stones for him, after all) so I'm only left with the idea that The Other meant "to challenge them is to court Death", as in the living embodiment, not the act of death.

But anyway this is the TV thread. 🤣

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