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37 minutes ago, tristy said:

The only real drawback to Thanos & Death in the MCU, in my mind, was that Hela was already a thing and you'd have to explain how Hela & Death are different when audiences just saw Cate Blanchett's character refer to herself as the Goddess of Death, etc.

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Or they could've jsut brought Cate Blanchett back and used some dialog to establish, since Ragnarok, her purpose in the universe has now changed.  Hell, a few scenes with fat depressed Thor, learning that Ragnarok didn't really kill Hela could've been interesting

But yea, I've always taken the "to challenge them is to court Death" line as more a warning.  "Are you sure you wanna do this?  They might be able to kill you"

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You should fuck off. 

Daredevil renewed for a second season to come out next year!

15 hours ago, arwrestling said:

I'm more than ready to see what the next step in that is. It seems like they're going into a "Thank You for saving the world and also fuck you freaks" story, and that could be very interesting (especially in relation to current events).

This feels like a natural progression from where it started to where it could go. With the Sokovia accords and the plotline of Civil War it was already well established that there was a growing mistrust of heroes and their seeming overarching authority to act wherever they well pleased.

Now the galaxy has been saved by the Avengers after it got decimated, but i'm sure there will be voices out there that go "If you hadn't been there, we might not have seen Thanos", even if that logic is completely off-base because Thanos would've come regardless of what Earth had in place for defense.

On that same topic of mistrust, with Falcon & The Winter Soldier being a few weeks away from releasing, this hooks well into this situation.

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With Steve being too old and hanging up his comfortable loafers, and handing the shield over to Sam Wilson. I'm fully expecting them to lean partly or even fully into the #Notmycap storyline that Marvel ran a few years back after the soft retcon. (Sam Wilson: Captain America | 2016/2017).

It would seem on point that with Sam Wilson they have a hero of colour, and with the way the world is, it wouldn't surprise me if they leant into the social problems that come with it. If not outright, then as a very obvious undercurrent.

In the one trailer I saw, you could already see that they've trotted out a replacement (white) Captain America (Probably USAgent, John Walker). So I definitely think there's going to be a clash there about whether the role of Captain America is a title that's handed over from Captain to Captain, or just the US Military's propaganda toy they can hand over to whoever is most amenable to the general populace.

 

4 hours ago, tristy said:

I think Thanos' reason was more because the elders on Titan rejected his idea of killing half of the population so the planet could survive, and when Titan's inhabitants all eventually died or whatever, he probably built that idea up in his head even more as the solution to overpopulation in the galaxy. 

The same people who see Thanos as an anti-hero or try to humanize him are the same ones that do that shit to the Joker. I don't think Marvel was trying to justify his actions or make him more relatable to the audience or whatever, but they clearly had to flesh out his motives and character more in one movie since before Infinity War, he maybe had a total of >5 minutes on screen.

That's a fair answer. I think I went completely off-base with my own reply, and I talked in/around/through my own points without a clear idea in sight. I never meant to imply that they should've made Thanos a sympathetic villain, because he was never going to be with the goals he had.

I felt that there was mostly a cognitive dissonance in them trying to portray a somewhat sympathetic person who shed a tear over his daughter, when on the one hand he tortures his other daughter and slaughters entire (or half) planets to attain his insane goals.

But I guess the whole Gamora plot point was to make clear that he was willing to let go of any lingering sentiment to finish his mission, rather than him being actually sympathetic. (although some people on the internet definitely have tried a bit too hard in making him something of a 'good guy' for looking out for the galaxy.)

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@Lint I don't buy that, the first time he died it was only because he was severely weakened due to using the Infinity Stones twice, and the second time was... also because of the Infinity Stones. Otherwise, nobody came close to killing him. It took Stark all he had to just puncture his skin on Titan, Wanda was crushing his armor, Mantis had to put him to sleep for the Guardians/Stark/Parker to even get close, Rogers & Danvers could only hold him back, etc. The Avengers weren't a threat to Thanos, especially if he's a warlord that's been doing this for decades (centuries?).

Like I said, the Death line was a wink and nod to be sure, but they could have went with that storyline if they wanted to. We've seen far more weird things in the MCU. A living planet isn't too much for audiences to handle, but Thanos killing half of the universe to impress Death is? Nahhh.

@JasonmufcI think you're right about the Gamora/Nebula stuff, and pretty much everything you just said RE my reply to you. I mean, shit, I think he was only sympathetic to Gamora while he's killing half of her planet because he wants to recruit her to become his personal assassin. What I'm about to say next is just head canon, since it hasn't been explained in the MCU to my knowledge, but I like to think that he recruited others like Glaive, Proxima, Nebula, etc. after killing half of their planets as well. Sort of like a trophy if he sees potential in the race(s) that live on a particular planet. Again, pure speculation and head canon there, but I like it.

But mainly I just want more of Carrie Coon in the MCU.

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11 minutes ago, tristy said:

@Lint I don't buy that, the first time he died it was only because he was severely weakened due to using the Infinity Stones twice

It was because Thor was cocky and wanted to brag to Thanos, rather then aim for the head...hell or even the arm!

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34 minutes ago, tristy said:

don't buy that, the first time he died it was only because he was severely weakened due to using the Infinity Stones twice, and the second time was... also because of the Infinity Stones. Otherwise, nobody came close to killing him

Further to what Lint said, Feige (or someone?) has confirmed that Wanda was fully capable and imminently about to kill Thanos in Endgame right up till he called his gunship in.

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1 hour ago, Tigerstyle said:

He can use dem stones in his shiny mitten but Wanda and CapM are living embodiments of the stones power innit.

Quicksilver could kill Thanos by running into him really fast confirmed. 

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On 01/03/2021 at 08:54, Daniel Bryan said:

Quicksilver could kill Thanos by running into him really fast confirmed. 

 

On 01/03/2021 at 09:28, Bad News Jericode said:

I mean, Quicksilver died, we don't know that he couldn't.

Quicksilver could've HELPED kill Thanos by shoving a tiny Ant-man up his butt

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Heard rumblings that WV ep 9 has mid- and post- credits scenes. Can anyone verify? 

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7 minutes ago, DFF said:

Heard rumblings that WV ep 9 has mid- and post- credits scenes. Can anyone verify? 

I finished it a little while ago and yes, it has both.

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3 minutes ago, GoGo Yubari said:

I finished it a little while ago and yes, it has both.

Thanks. I'm squeezing it into my lunch break later and need to know how much time I have haha. 

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Finale.

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Yeah, it's solid. Does what it sets out to & doesn't really deliver any surprises. 

I felt that, after all we've been through, she accepted the fading of her reality a little two quickly. I could've done with more catharsis and more conflict. 

But glad they've kept Kathryn Hahn alive for a later date & the end scene with Vision was very touching. 

It's a finale I expected and it was very MCU, I was just hoping they'd ramp it up / surprise me a bit more. That said, the right, expected ending, isn't always a bad thing. And I walk away pretty satisfied from the first proper Marvel TV show; still mad that we're getting this kind of high-budget TV. 

Ultimately, excited to see where they go with Scarlett Witch next. 

 

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I think I'm probably coming out of WandaVision overall a little disappointed because the appeal of it for me was that it was a very left-field initial take on what an MCU show can be, and then it ultimately ended up resolving itself by being exactly what you'd expect an MCU show closer to the style guide and budget of the movies would be. But I'm not sure what I could have reasonably expected, it's not like this was going to be a Tom King Vision deal.

The most important thing, of course, was that Agatha survived. And she did, with a pretty explicit "I'm going to come back at some point" hook! So I'm happy about that. I like the way the episode embraces the Scarlet Witch stuff, too. Ultimately a perfectly fine show with some very good acting and a couple truly excellent moments.

 

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16 minutes ago, GoGo Yubari said:
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For sure.  I mean, I'm still waiting for the MCU to take more risks in their storytelling, but I guess their first flag ship TV show wasn't going to be quite it. 

I think it teased something great and I felt like we were getting close with character arcs and development. Still a step in the right direction but I'm with you. 

 

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48 minutes ago, GoGo Yubari said:
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I think I'm probably coming out of WandaVision overall a little disappointed because the appeal of it for me was that it was a very left-field initial take on what an MCU show can be, and then it ultimately ended up resolving itself by being exactly what you'd expect an MCU show closer to the style guide and budget of the movies would be. But I'm not sure what I could have reasonably expected, it's not like this was going to be a Tom King Vision deal.

The most important thing, of course, was that Agatha survived. And she did, with a pretty explicit "I'm going to come back at some point" hook! So I'm happy about that. I like the way the episode embraces the Scarlet Witch stuff, too. Ultimately a perfectly fine show with some very good acting and a couple truly excellent moments.

 

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I feel pretty much the same way. I think I may have given into the hype a bit too much, I was feeling let down because I was sitting the whole time expecting some sort of major reveal, or canon-shaking upheaval that was probably never really going to happen.

I enjoyed it overall and thought it was really good to see something as impressive as the MCU in a serial format, like Jimmy says, I just think they teased a bit too much of the mystery stuff to just wrap things up the way they did.

Like, Evan Peters wasn't MCU quicksilver, or even Fox quicksilver? Theres no immediate link to Dr Strange? Or a multiverse? I assume that the darkhold thing in the post credits is probably leading to that? I have no clue what that book is meant to be tbf.

I dunno. I think the first half of the series was incredible and the ending was sort of flat but still very much looking forward to more shows so it did it's job.

 

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1 hour ago, Kaney said:
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I feel pretty much the same way. I think I may have given into the hype a bit too much, I was feeling let down because I was sitting the whole time expecting some sort of major reveal, or canon-shaking upheaval that was probably never really going to happen.

I enjoyed it overall and thought it was really good to see something as impressive as the MCU in a serial format, like Jimmy says, I just think they teased a bit too much of the mystery stuff to just wrap things up the way they did.

Like, Evan Peters wasn't MCU quicksilver, or even Fox quicksilver? Theres no immediate link to Dr Strange? Or a multiverse? I assume that the darkhold thing in the post credits is probably leading to that? I have no clue what that book is meant to be tbf.

I dunno. I think the first half of the series was incredible and the ending was sort of flat but still very much looking forward to more shows so it did it's job.

 

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The Darkhold is a book made of matter from the same place where Dormammu lives (Dark/Hell Dimension). It's basically a How-To book for what the reader truly desires. And in Wanda's case... it's having Billy & Tommy back, apparently. Who knows where they could be. Maybe a place where mutants exist.

Evan Peters not being Quicksilver is fucking great, I don't care what anyone says. Everyone expected him to be MCU/Fox Quicksilver, or Nightmare, or Mephisto, and he's just RALPH BOHNER. I love the misdirect there all this time. We, the viewer, know who Evan Peters used to play, but Agatha just warped everyone's mind to make them think he was Pietro.

 

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Finale thoughts:

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I think because I'd already tempered expectations about big reveals etc (I'd read a quote from the director saying that some people may be disappointing if they're expecting something along that level), that I actually just really enjoyed the ride of the final ep. 

I called the runes spot, and thought it was done quite well. Like, Agatha sort of looks perplexed maybe once or twice when Wanda misses her but they otherwise don't dwell too much on it and I dug that. 

Looks like Rambeau will be joining the skrulls in whatever film/TV show they are in next, and I'm digging that. 

I'm guessing the final clip is leading into Doctor Strange. 

 

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6 hours ago, DFF said:

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I think because I'd already tempered expectations about big reveals etc (I'd read a quote from the director saying that some people may be disappointing if they're expecting something along that level), that I actually just really enjoyed the ride of the final ep. 

 

 

8 hours ago, Kaney said:
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I feel pretty much the same way. I think I may have given into the hype a bit too much, I was feeling let down because I was sitting the whole time expecting some sort of major reveal, or canon-shaking upheaval that was probably never really going to happen.

 

 

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This all ties in to what I said last week, it's the cast and crew feeding the hype and allowing the speculation to run rampant that is breeding the letdown that I think you're both and myself are feeling.

From a show standpoint there was no reason for Paul Bettany to do his whole "actor I've always wanted to work with, lol j/k its me" schtick, there was no reason for Teyonah Parris to say the engineer was going to be a huge reveal when it wasn't, there was no reason for Elizabeth Olsen to tease a "Luke Skywalker cameo" that never happened, and there was no reason to get Evan Peters to play Ralph at all. Everything was done or said to elicit the hype that the show got online, and then didn't deliver on any of them. It's evident they went for that as a marketing strategy, we all bought into it, and now here we are.

That said, I enjoyed the finale, and enjoyed every episode of the series, but my excitement peaked at the possibilities that were being shown when Evan Peters arrived and since then, with the exception of the Agatha reveal, it's all felt a little flat. If anything I'm annoyed at myself for allowing them to troll me for weeks and being too excited to see through it.

 

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Yeah, it was a perfectly fine ending. I still definitely lost a lot of interest when it moved away from tv pastiche, but the finale was easily the best of the plot episodes.

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meh. Was perfectly fine but I expected a lot more. Maybe that's on me? Or maybe it's on the people involved for hyping it so much I don't know but I felt disappointed

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Finale thoughts:

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Was I slightly disappointed there was no cameo from Dr. Strange or anyone else...sure, but I'm not going to let what would've been probably a 30 second cameo take away from what was an amazing show with amazing story telling. After last week, I already could tell the ideas of the multiverse theories were just fan theories running wild...and had accepted it because in the end, as a stand alone story - it was great.

6 months ago, I gave absolutely zero fucks about Wanda and Vision. Today, I was tearing up watching the hex come down as Wanda realized what she had to do...the added character development was just amazing and I dare say Wanda is now one of my favorite characters in the MCU.

 

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