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Loki has been moved from Friday, June 11th, to Wednesday, June 9th and each episode will debut on Wednesdays

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You should fuck off. 

Daredevil renewed for a second season to come out next year!

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I know it doesn't quite fit under the MCU umbrella, but the MODOK animated show on Disney+ is tremendous, as was to be expected given the cast I suppose.

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I love Loki as a character in the MCU but I'm not sure how I feel about that first episode. Incredibly nitpicky/nerdy whinings, but I think a lot of the lore it's hit out with sort of really undermines whats already happened.

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It was said so many times that Thanos, with a full Infinity Gauntlet is the most powerful being in the universe and the stakes were thusly raised for Infinity War/Endgame. If there's an agency powerful enough to immediately and effortlessly render Loki powerless, and they use Infinity Stones as paperweights, what's really to worry about?

It also makes it seem weird that you could have the likes of the Ancient One, or the Asgardians themselves, or Thanos etc all not knowing about the existence of this substantially powerful group. Why should the Ancient One, protector of the literal time stone, be bothered if Hulk takes it to fight Thanos when there's an entire agency dedicated to preventing any shenanigans?

I also really dislike the notion that nobody has any free will but I'm guessing if there's a second Loki variant that's causing havoc in the timelines it sort of shows that people can make their own choices? I trust it'll be explained at some point and Owen Wilson was great so I'll still watch anyway.

I take it the TVA is properly fleshed out and fits in with the comics? Might have enjoyed it more if I had ever heard of them before!

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with regards to the power scale question:

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I don't know if they're really definitively saying the TVA is more powerful than Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. Like, at the end of this episode multiple TVA agents appear to be killed with fire. I think it's more a show that they're organized and prepared well enough to, say, handle variants who get their hands on individual Infinity Stones and by their very nature are disinterested in abusing that power for themselves, probably in part because said variants have no way of planning for them.

Thought the episode was fine but mostly table-setting. Owen Wilson seems like he's going to be a lot of fun to watch in this.

 

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I hope Hiddleston breaks out his Owen Wilson impression on the show

 

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Oh I see where the next phase of Marvel movies and TV shows is going. I’m interested. I’m in. 

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I enjoyed it but I can't help feeling like this could be a huge missed opportunity for

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the introduction of Kang the Conqueror.  I know he's on the way in the next Antman film but the set up they are giving to the villainous Loki variant would work so perfectly for Kang. 

 

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I'm finding it really difficult to articulate, but my main criticism from that episode is why Loki? It felt you could have slotted pretty much any villain into that story and it would play out the same, if not better.

A literal Asgardian God pulling "this can't be real" reactions doesn't work for me, and it didn't seem to rely on anything unique to his character. Maybe that will change as it goes on, but so far I'm not sold.

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On 09/06/2021 at 19:45, Kaney said:

I love Loki as a character in the MCU but I'm not sure how I feel about that first episode. Incredibly nitpicky/nerdy whinings, but I think a lot of the lore it's hit out with sort of really undermines whats already happened.

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It was said so many times that Thanos, with a full Infinity Gauntlet is the most powerful being in the universe and the stakes were thusly raised for Infinity War/Endgame. If there's an agency powerful enough to immediately and effortlessly render Loki powerless, and they use Infinity Stones as paperweights, what's really to worry about?

It also makes it seem weird that you could have the likes of the Ancient One, or the Asgardians themselves, or Thanos etc all not knowing about the existence of this substantially powerful group. Why should the Ancient One, protector of the literal time stone, be bothered if Hulk takes it to fight Thanos when there's an entire agency dedicated to preventing any shenanigans?

I also really dislike the notion that nobody has any free will but I'm guessing if there's a second Loki variant that's causing havoc in the timelines it sort of shows that people can make their own choices? I trust it'll be explained at some point and Owen Wilson was great so I'll still watch anyway.

 

I tend to agree here, and I also have the opposite problem, which compounds on it:

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The TVA enforce a single sacred timeline, which is something that's been decided in advance by space lizards. This isn't just to account for time-travel shenanigans, as the Avengers were able to go into back in time and fuck everything up and it was still "supposed" to happen, but a thing as simple as someone being late for work - with no external multiverse/magic/time-travel influence, it just happens that in their timeline they were late for work when the Time Keepers didn't want them to be - that gets reset and pruned out of existence and no-one will ever even know. Everything is important and controlled.

So... nothing that happens actually matters, because if it's not "supposed" to happen, it'll be undone and the "right" thing will happen, rendering all of the movies and TV shows completely pointless because an external influence is there making sure it was always going to turn out the same way, forcibly if necessary, no matter what any of our heroes did - or do going forward.

 

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The female timecop was really irritating, and I got great joy out of Lowki putting her through the ringer with the rewind device.

 

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A couple of things that were really minor in the grand scheme of things, but that just happen to be a couple of my biggest pet peeves;

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When the TVA were in France in the 16th Century, one of them says something like "this is the third incident this week". Something ending in "this week" or "within a week" anyway. What is "a week" to someone who exists outside of time, and jumps back and forth hundreds of years? It would be a completely meaningless way of measuring anything. How does "within a week" account for an event that took place hundreds of years ago? 

It's a major pet peeve of mine in time travel stories to not address that kind of statement. I'm hoping that, given they reiterated later on that "time works differently here" it was a bit of a nod to the fact that the TVA aren't all they're claiming to be, but I'm assuming it's much more likely lazy writing.

 

The other was the D.B. Cooper scene. I really liked it, laughed out loud when I realised that's what they were doing. I thought it was a really fun, clever little Easter egg. It was immediately ruined by shouting "YOU WERE D.B. COOPER?!". I hate writing that feels it needs to explain itself, it's like Ready Player One all over again. Writers being so proud of their cute little reference that they have to spell it out for you just in case you didn't get it and didn't realise how smart they were. 

I know that people are going to say, "yeah, but lots of people haven't heard of D.B. Cooper". In which case just shouting his name isn't going to enlighten them any more, is it? There's a bunch of articles on entertainment websites called things like "who was D.B. Cooper in Loki?", which otherwise would just be called "what was that plane scene about in Loki?". If people don't know the story, shouting it louder doesn't enlighten them any more. If they're still going to have to look it up, you don't need to hold their hand so much with the writing. At worst people will think, "huh, that's weird, a Loki bit that didn't happen in any of the movies. Wonder what that was about."

 

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3 hours ago, Skummy said:

A couple of things that were really minor in the grand scheme of things, but that just happen to be a couple of my biggest pet peeves;

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When the TVA were in France in the 16th Century, one of them says something like "this is the third incident this week". Something ending in "this week" or "within a week" anyway. What is "a week" to someone who exists outside of time, and jumps back and forth hundreds of years? It would be a completely meaningless way of measuring anything. How does "within a week" account for an event that took place hundreds of years ago? 

It's a major pet peeve of mine in time travel stories to not address that kind of statement. I'm hoping that, given they reiterated later on that "time works differently here" it was a bit of a nod to the fact that the TVA aren't all they're claiming to be, but I'm assuming it's much more likely lazy writing.

 

The other was the D.B. Cooper scene. I really liked it, laughed out loud when I realised that's what they were doing. I thought it was a really fun, clever little Easter egg. It was immediately ruined by shouting "YOU WERE D.B. COOPER?!". I hate writing that feels it needs to explain itself, it's like Ready Player One all over again. Writers being so proud of their cute little reference that they have to spell it out for you just in case you didn't get it and didn't realise how smart they were. 

I know that people are going to say, "yeah, but lots of people haven't heard of D.B. Cooper". In which case just shouting his name isn't going to enlighten them any more, is it? There's a bunch of articles on entertainment websites called things like "who was D.B. Cooper in Loki?", which otherwise would just be called "what was that plane scene about in Loki?". If people don't know the story, shouting it louder doesn't enlighten them any more. If they're still going to have to look it up, you don't need to hold their hand so much with the writing. At worst people will think, "huh, that's weird, a Loki bit that didn't happen in any of the movies. Wonder what that was about."

 

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I must be the idiot type that the repeated “You were?” Line was about because it made me look it up 😂

 

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12 hours ago, Daniel Bryan said:

I tend to agree here, and I also have the opposite problem, which compounds on it:

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The TVA enforce a single sacred timeline, which is something that's been decided in advance by space lizards. This isn't just to account for time-travel shenanigans, as the Avengers were able to go into back in time and fuck everything up and it was still "supposed" to happen, but a thing as simple as someone being late for work - with no external multiverse/magic/time-travel influence, it just happens that in their timeline they were late for work when the Time Keepers didn't want them to be - that gets reset and pruned out of existence and no-one will ever even know. Everything is important and controlled.

So... nothing that happens actually matters, because if it's not "supposed" to happen, it'll be undone and the "right" thing will happen, rendering all of the movies and TV shows completely pointless because an external influence is there making sure it was always going to turn out the same way, forcibly if necessary, no matter what any of our heroes did - or do going forward.

 

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I think the TVA is significantly less powerful than they are claiming to be.  Besides, it's episode 1, there is a long way to go.  Endgame straight up explained they were returning the stones to prevent divergent timelines from being created.  Loki getting the Tesseract broke the stable loop.

I feel like the TVA is just there to stop the timeline from going out of whack and don't have any actual knowledge or power to change anything if time is stable.  They just know Loki's future because he's from 10 years in the past.

 

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I really enjoyed the episode because I thought Hiddleston and Wilson were both fantastic together. Without that chemistry, it probably falters more because of how much exposition they had to cover. Excited to see where it all leads. 

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19 hours ago, Tigerstyle said:

Yeah I feel like the TVA are part of a lie they’re not aware of, they’re created by a cosmic being that is using their naivety fo keep them in line. Or not, probably not.

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I think the big bad is still going to be Kang the Conqueror. He's in control of the TVA, and is using them to maintain his control of the timeline. I am not sure he's going to play a prominent role in Loki, necessarily, but I think he ends up being the one pulling all the strings, leading into Dr Strange, Ant-Man and Fantastic Four.

 

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1 minute ago, Azazel said:

I reject this proposal.

Seconded.


2nd episode of Loki was superb. I could watch Mobius and Loki just talk to one another all day. Their chemistry is so amazing. The pace of this is so far superior to Falcon & Winter Soldier.

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2 hours ago, Maxx said:

Proposing a ban on the use of I Need a Hero in all comics related media for the next decade.

You aren't going to like the He-Man Netflix trailer.

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