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Regarding NWA;

Nwa pro was the name of the territory run by David Marquez. Most of his affiliate promotions were based in southern california, in order to showcase the talent, nwa championship wrestling from hollywood was created. Taking the best talent from all of the promorions in the area. When Trobich relinquished his position with the NWA, Marquez and all of his associated promotions left the NWA. Speculation that he was forced out has come up, but that is neither here nor there. Nwa championship wrestling from hollywood became cwfh. Basically NWA pro no longer exists. As the NWA has new directors/governors a slew of promotions have left and a many new ones have joined and are still joining. I have left out some details in order to keep this brief I Just wanted to give a little background.

Currently the most prominent promotions under the NWA banner are (IMO)

Smoky Mountain

Ring Warriors

On Fire

DAWG

These promotions have a decent Internet presence. I should mention that there are several promotions in Texas that have been stable over the years, but not easy to find information over the Internet. Same with NWA Top rope. It would be cool to have a Texas promotion in the game to vary from the North East bunch, but if there is no info, there is no info.

NWA Mountain State had a TV show a few months ago, but took a hiatus until after the new year. Recently they announced a name change, which escapes my memory right now.

For EWR,

I had suggested earlier that we move the belts to ECCW this no longer is going to work as ECCW is probably not going to license the NWA in the near future.

On Fire, DAWG and Costal put together the show to crown a new champion and sounds like they could work together a lot in the future. Costal and DAWG have been working closely for some time now. The North American Tag Champs wrestle mainly in this region.

This is the same with smoky Mountain, Premier, and Mountain State(again I can't remember the new Name.) World Jr Heavywieght champion is in this region.

Ring Warriors is an interesting one, the use some seasoned well known veterans and a good mix of very strong younger wrestlers, and have hosted two shows in the Bahamas. Currently home promotion of the Tag Team Champions (there's a spoiler here but I'm on my phone and can't get the tags to work properly). Khahagas (world champion) wrestles mostly here and in Texas.

The National title is currently Vacant

And the NA title is in Texas on a Guy named Carson - I doubt he is in the game.

I don't know the women's champion's home promotion.

Currently the titles are spread out everywhere. Which is what an alliance should do IMO.

I would like to suggest create a promotion in the game using a roster split. Either choose NWA On Fire/costal/DAWG or Smoky Mountain/Mountain State/premier. Or just use Ring Warriors and have vacant belts for those who are not used in the promotion. In the last option rhe player can always hire the guys if he wants.

We could also have all the promotions under one name and have the roster split by region, which I am less in favor of.

This is a lot of information, hopefully it helps for some more discussion.

Or like someone said choose one promotion and add the Top ten guys.

I'd like to think the NWA titles should be present on the game when briefcases are included .

Rename NWA Anarchy to Anarchy Wrestling change Initials to AW

Rename NWA Hollywood to Championship Wrestling from Hollywood change Initials to CWFH

Rename NWA Force-1 Pro to Force-1 Pro change initials to F-1

Remove the NWA initials from the following titles

NWA Anarchy Heavyweight

NWA Anarchy Tag Team

NWA Anarchy Television

NWA Anarchy Young Lions

NWA F1 Heavyweight

NWA F1 Heritage

NWA F1 Tag Team

NWA Heritage - Rename to CWFH Heritage and Suspend the title

NWA Heritage Tag Team Rename to CWFH Heritage Tag Team

NWA International Television

Since ECCW is now the only promotion in the game representing the NWA the BOD titles would be associated to them, however ECCW has not booked the worlds title in a long time and I don't believe they have ever booked the world jr. heavyweight title.

CWFH is still recognizing Adam Pearce as the world heavyweight champion but have dropped the NWA from their website.

The BOD titles in the Game:

NWA World Junior Heavyweight

NWA World Heavyweight

We could delete these titles or move them to ECCW and suspend them. We could change the NWA world Heavyweight title to CWFH World Heavyweight but I'm pretty sure the belt is currently the same and is property of NWA so we will have to see what they do with it in the coming months.

SHIMMER as cult makes perfect sense to me. Surprised to learn it's not already.

I'd also recommend leaving ECCW at small. Based on the Upcoming Events and Results pages on their website, there are a few diffferent cities there, but one is Vancouver and the others I see (Surrey, Port Coquitlam, New Westminster) are all suburbs of Vancouver.

Re ECCW: completely agree, when is the last time they headed up to St. George? I Don't really see them touring the entire Province. Secondly, the Population in BC is less than Half of the states in the US, their exposure would be similar to a promotion that toured their state of Alabama, Louisiana, or Tennessee. Hell even Puerto Rico has a population just a few hundred thousand from BC, a Puerto Rican promotion would be on the same level. "That would be assuming the promotions had events across thier state/Province" They are not a regional promotion IMO.

Did we drop Jericho's att and behavior after the brazil flag kick? I know there was a lot of discussion, and I believe there was little to no change. I might be wrong there. The AW incident is similar to The Jericho one. I think the change in stats should match.

I disagree here. There's a difference between offending people at a house show and dropping an offensive line on live television.

Are you saying there are different standards if it isn't televised?

Would this mistake have little to no effect if AW said this at an JAPW show. Would kozina take a bigger hit to ATT and beh had it been a televised match. Would kozina not take a hit if there was no video. Would Jericho take a bigger hit if it was a televised show in Brazil.

Just because it isn't televised doesn't mean their behavior is more acceptable. Televised or not these workers misbehaved and their behavior stats should be dropped.

Did we drop Jericho's att and behavior after the brazil flag kick? I know there was a lot of discussion, and I believe there was little to no change. I might be wrong there. The AW incident is similar to The Jericho one. I think the change in stats should match.

Many rumours of stated Jim Miller (NWA-EAST) has withdrawn membership from the NWA. Miller as well as the ECCW representative were opposed to the organizational management change of the NWA to Tharpe. Since the settlement last week PWX has removed the last of the NWA references from their website.

Two options:

Change NWA- East to PWX and change titles from NWA to PWX and delete the North American Tag Title

Or

Remove the promotion - this was discussed earlier anyways citing issues of it not being updated. I gave some updates this month but I doubt I'll update it any in the future.

Which ever is easier to do this month. If the first option is chosen, removal could be discussed or acted upon next month.

ECCW may be leaving the NWA shortly also, but hasn't officially withdrawn or made any statements/actions that would confirm this. If they do, the only real change for them will be the names of titles. But we will have to wait on that for a bit.

Adam Pearce is the New 5X NWA World HWT champion.

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I agree. WWE and TNA run larger venues than most promotions these other wrestlers work in ROH's largest attendance was 2,000 back in the mid 2000's, TNA can fit around 5,000 in the Grand Canyon University arena for Bound for Glory this year and WWE can get up to 70,000 each year for WrestleMania and about 10,000 for RAWs, SmackDowns and PPVs. The fact is KD is right. A majority of the indy guys mean NOTHING to WWE fans because the indy promotions for ONE, do NOT HAVE TV or if they do like ROH or smaller promotions, they are only shown in certain areas on tv.

IMO The challenge of the game when playing the independents is IMO trying to get the guys over while putting on good matches and shows and also trying to make money.

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For what it's worth, there was a report on wrestleview awhile back that CMLL's "Dos Leyendas '12: Mexico City" had an attendance of 11,000.

CMLL 03/02 "Dos Leyendas '12: Mexico City" Arena Mexico Results

1) Misterioso II, Namajague, & Rey Escorpion def. Fuego, Titan, & Triton

2) Averno, Mr. Aguila, & Olimpico def. Angel de Oro, Brazo de Plata, & Valiente

3) Lightning Match: Marcela def. Ayumi

4) La Mascara, Marco Corleone, & Diamante Azul def. Ultimo Guerrero, Volador Jr., & Rey Bucanero via DQ

5) National Parejas Increibles Tournament Finals: Atlantis & Mr. Niebla def. Rush & El Terrible

6) Hair vs. Hair Match: Negro Casas fought Blue Panther to a DRAW

* NOTES *

- Salvador Lutteroth (founder of CMLL/EMLL) and Bobby Bonales (legendary luchador from the 50's and the father of the only Mexican Olympic medalist in wrestling Daniel Bonales) were honored.

- Those that complain about older wrestlers like Casas & Panther being in the Main Event will not be happy to know that attendance for this show was 11,000 so until the younger guys can start drawing those types of numbers you really can't complain. Putting guys like Casas & Panther in legit feuds with guys like Sombra, Volador, Dorada, etc. might be the answer but will CMLL ever go that way?

- Panther won the first fall in the Main Event with a Fujiwara Armbar and then Negro responded in the 2nd call with a casita. Both were fairly short fall. The final fall was very long and they kept it mostly on the mat for the majority of the match. After several nearfalls both men pinned each other in the midst of a Small Package resulting in a draw. The fans chanted for a 4th fall but instead both men were shaved. Negro attacked Panther after the match to continue the feud.

Via wrestleview.com

If Angle, Austin or Hogan was to walk into WWE right now what do you think their reaction would be, personally I feel guys like Austin, Rock and Hogan should be 100 simply because you could show their picture to anyone and 9/10 times they would be known even to non-wrestling fans, they are figureheads of the industry, I feel Cena could also be considered as well but since he is still active he could still fluctuate but when he would retire I’d give him 100 as well.

In a similar aspect if Sting was to show up in WWE the crowd reaction would be massive. I think the whole “if they are in TNA they should be lower” argument while valid for some of the TNA grown stars would be negative to those who made their names elsewhere especially in WWE.

Didn't you kind of answer your question? (That may have sounded rude, and I apologize if it did.) You said 9/10 times thus 90% hence over should be in the 90s (it is an over simplified analogy). You show a picture of the Rock to someone I'd say 10/10 times the person would know who he is. That is why I see The Rock as the only one at 100. As for Angle, Austin, and Hogan I could take a picture to work tomorrow of each of them and Hogan might be recognized by a few and to a lesser extent sting might get a nod but I don't foresee anyone picking out Angle. (granted I work predominantly with women, so it isn't really the right demographic, and I doubt they are wrestling fans, but that is what you said in you're post). All things considered both Sting and Hogan have a unique look which help in the recognition, Angle is a bald white guy.

I do like the concept, and it would be fun to try wouldn't it?

One point is we are getting crowds in the WWE with quite a few kids ages probably 6 or 7 and up. Anyone who is under 12 would have stated watching after guys like Austin retired I don't think they are going to know who he is (that is assuming all these kids start watching WWE on TV at 4yrs old). I'm not saying he isn't relevant any more and I'm not saying he wouldn't main event if he came back and wrestled. I'm just saying he is not recognizable by 100% of the fan base. I'm saying a drop of 2 points, which is pretty much nothing in the grand scheme of things. Seriously 2 points; that's still 98% of fans would recognize him.

This point applying to Sting also: WCW was bought out in 2001 I believe, Anyone starting to watch WCW in say 2000 at age 4 wouldn't recognize sting, thus anyone who is under say 16 would most likely not recognize Sting; a 12 year span. (which becomes a much more prominent demographic of wrestling fans).

I think I'm being pretty liberal with the 4 yrs old thing, too. I didn't watch wrestling till I was about 7 or 8 and couldn't recall more than a couple names.

To reply to Team 720:"...yet he is in the 80's when you SHOULD be in the 90's to be a main eventer in a global promotion like WWE or TNA"

1. I see your point, however TNA is barley a global promotion at a PI of 10. If their PI was at 50 I would agree.

2. You said should be in the 90's, bit since we have the buffer(which is for the instances in which a promotion is on the brink between to levels, i.e TNA) I would say it NEEDS to be above 82. and if the promotion had a better PI then they SHOULD be in the 90s.

I don't often mention my views on the over of guys in the big promotions but here is my view on just a few aspects.

98 Steve Austin hasn't been a regular since 2005, granted he makes sporadic appearances, but as a new generation of fans are generated new fans don't care for guys like this as much. You'll see more of these guys in this post, same idea applies to them. When a worker starts making regular appearances for WWE again their over should go back up, but one-off appearances here and there does not generate enough buzz for new viewers to become fans.

98 Hulk Hogan - same as above

90 Kurt Angle - again hasn't appeared in The Big promotion for what 5-6 years, Red is suggesting an increase (granted it tiny) but I would think it should go the opposite way. I remember watching or reading (not sure which) an interview in which Angle said he's often approached by people asking why he doesn't wrestle anymore? There are becoming more and more fans who don't have a clue who he is because people don't know TNA exists.

90 Sting - Again hasn't wrestled in a world promotion since WCW (I’m not considering TNA to be a world promotion since we have them as global based on the game’s glitch)

Actually I think it would be easier to drop any TNA wrestler with an over above 90 down by 5 points at least. Seriously, these guys are nowhere near as known as the top WWE guys.

The TNA guys overness keeps getting upped and it accentuates the problem that was discussed on the previous pages of this form. Keep them where they are or better yet lower them so that the FCW guys are able to be set lower so the workers are able to stay in the Dev Territory longer.

The Main Eventers for a Global are 91-100 with a 9 buffer. Since TNA is barely a Global Promotion (in the game) the best scenario is to have all of TNA’s Main Event workers between 82 and 90 where there will be no complaints from workers or suggestions from staff to move the workers.

I will make a slightly different case for Jeff Hardy – Had a more recent return to the WWE for a decent good length of time. I’d like to see him at about 92. But within a couple years down to 90.

The Undertaker is fine at 99 I think the only wrestler that should be at 100 currently is The Rock.

Side note: This may make it look like I’m a TNA hater, but I’m not and I do like the product more than WWE. I just think it’s realistic that many wrestling fans still don’t know that the promotion exists. (Okay “many” wrestling fans may be an exaggeration, but there are enough of them, and many that do know it exists yet don’t follow TNA or their wrestlers)

Add Raven Lake to ECCW

Add Sammy Hall to ECCW

Rename Tag Team - Cougar and Richards to Team Ambition and raise EXP to 7

Rename Tag Team - Army of Darkness II to Puppy Love increase Exp to 15

Add Masked Marauder as an Alter ego for Billy Lit

NWE East Update

EVENTS

JAN Rename event PWX Genesis to New Year's Knockout

FEB Rename event Valentine's Day Massacre to REVOLUTION!

MAR PWX When Worlds Collide (no change needed)

APR Crossfire (No Change Needed)

MAY Rename event In Harm's Way to Burgh Brawl

JUN Ring Of Fire (No change needed)

JUL Rename Summer Assault to Sean Evans Memorial Tournament (if it fits)

AUG Infection

SEP No Limits

OCT Desperate Measures

NOV Rename event Dead Calm to Anniversary Show

DEC Christmas Chaos

Add Dean Radford to roster

Add The Beast to the roster

Add Bigg to Roster

Add Morgan Rockafeller to roster

Add Quinn Magnum to roster

Add Benjamin C. Steele to Roster

Add Tag Team called: The Order of Total Oblivion with 8Exp. Apollyon and Shirley Doe

Vacate the NWA East brass knuckles title

Vacate the NWA EAST Heavyweight Title

Remove Devin Devine from Roster

Remove Hammer from Roster

Remove JB Destiny from Roster

Remove Sean Dahmer from Roster

Remove Troy Lords from Roster - he's on the roster page, but hasn't competed this year.

Hello everyone, I'm Italian, (Rome) I follow the game and this forum for many years, and I wanted to work by adding some of the most representative Italian wrestler of our federations. If you agree, I would start with two or three wrestlers and then tell me if it goes well.

Please do. Just remember the overness is based on their popularity in north America, so unless they've been televised in the US or Mexico, the workers' over should be kept quite low. Also, if they don't speak English, French or Spanish, they wouldn't speak in a North American promotion.

I think that it is sufficient to put "Speaks: no '." Or I'm saying something wrong?

That is what I meant.

To team 720: I don't think It's a rule that has been discussed. But it seems obvious to me, do you see it differently?

As for DGUSA, do those Japan guys do interviews for the PPV in Japanese? If so then they should still have speaks ticked (I think this would apply to subtitles, I know AAA has done that for English speaking wrestlers. If they do it for Japanese wrestlers as well, I don't see a problem with that.) I hope that makes sense.

My point is, would a promotion give interview time to a guy who can't speak the language of the crowd? no.

If they did the interview it would suck. In order to compensate for that we would have drop the charisma of a bunch of workers. Which screws up angles that don't need speakers.

I realize we have to make exceptions for workers who do speak one of the three languages ( fr, en, sp,) because the game doesn't apply them to different regions. But we should draw the line after that.

Hello everyone, I'm Italian, (Rome) I follow the game and this forum for many years, and I wanted to work by adding some of the most representative Italian wrestler of our federations. If you agree, I would start with two or three wrestlers and then tell me if it goes well.

Please do. Just remember the overness is based on their popularity in north America, so unless they've been televised in the US or Mexico, the workers' over should be kept quite low. Also, if they don't speak English, French or Spanish, they wouldn't speak in a North American promotion.

-Raise the CZW World Heavyweight Championship's image to 56.

-Raise the CZW World Junior Heavyweight Championship's image to 54.

-Raise the ROH World Championship's image to 75.

-Raise the ROH World Tag Team Championship's image to 65.

Why increase it? Granted I don't watch much ROH, but Austin Areis ?sp was the ROH champ and left the promotion for TNA, became the x division champion. Therefore IMO the x division belt should be higher than the ROH title, the x division title is only at 73. At the current 70 it is still higher than the CMLL world title, AAA Megaheavyweight and the TNA TV title. Up for interpretation.

Anyways,

Brandon Locke's finisher Locke down should be an Impact move.

please change Roxie Cotton's name to Gabby Gilbert, see hasn't used Roxie Cotton in months check out any recent WSU poster.

Change her to a heavyweight ?

It's a North American Simulator. It's based on North American popularity.

Mexico has 1/3 the population of the USA, however lucha libre/ wrestling is a ton more popular down there than in the US, I would hazard the guess that the number of wrestling fans in each country would be quite similar. I think Phenomenal red is right those Mexican promotions pull massive crowds and I've long felt that the updates reflect the American fans more than the north Americans as a whole, which is understandable since we're all English speaking and have more access to the American wrestling.( IMO, some of the older CMLL stars should be more over than some of the bigger ROH, they're major over in Mexico. I'd look to Red to give some better overness stats since he obviously follows lucha libre more than the rest of us.)

CZW World Junior Heavyweight title should be a lightweight title (I think, I don't know much about CZW)

CMLL Welterweight should be a lightweight title

CMLL Middleweight should be a lightweight title

Raise the title image of the CMLL World Heavyweight title to 59

Raise the title image of the AAA Mega Heavyweight Title to 58

Raise the title image of the ROH TV title to 54

Lower the title image of the LLUSA Heavyweight title to 53

Lower the title image of the ECWA Super 8 title to 35

I'm providing the following for discussion purposes:

This is what I'm proposing after the above changes to the titles (disregarding WWE Titles, TNA World heavyweight Title.)

These are Men's non-lightweight singles titles.

Promotion size G=global, C=Cult, ect.

Prom. Size/ Prom. Image/ Title Image/ Title

C 85 70 ROH World

G 10 65 TNA TV

C 60 59 CMLL World HWT

C 67 58 AAA Mega Heavyweight

C 39 56 CHI Chikara Grand Champion

C 43 55 DGUSA Open the dream gate

C 85 54 ROH TV

C 27 53 LLUSA HWT

C 43 50 DGUSA Open the Freedom gate

C 67 45 AAA Latin American

C 60 45 CMLL Universal HWT

R 88 45 CZW World HWT

C 15 40 PWG World HWT

C 67 38 AAA Rey de Reyes

R 74 38 HWA HWT

R 47 35 ECWA Super 8

R 82 34 JAPW HWT

C 39 33 CHI Young Lions Cup

R 47 30 ECWA HWT

R 63 30 IWA World Unified HWT

R 49 30 NWA Anarchy HWT

S 80 30 NWA Canadian Heavyweight

S 65 30 NWA F1 HWT

R 82 30 OVW HWT

R 67 30 WWC Universal

R 35 29 SCW Premier

S 77 28 CW HWT

S 80 28 ECCW Heavyweight

R 63 26 IWA Intercontinental

S 77 25 CW New Ewngland

R 88 25 CZW Ultraviolent Undewrground

R 88 25 CZW Wired TV

R 49 25 NWA Anarchy TV

S 75 25 NWA East HWT

S 55 25 SAW International HWT

R 31 22 APW Universal HWT

R 82 22 JAPW NJ State

R 31 20 APW Worldwide Internet

S 80 20 ECCW Hardcore

R 47 20 ECWA Mid Atlantic

S 75 20 NWA East 3 rivers

S 65 20 NWA F1 Heritage

R 43 19 AAW Heavyweight

S 57 19 JCW HWT

R 52 18 MCW HWT

S 75 17 NWA East Brass Knuckles

R 65 17 NWA Heritage

R 82 17 OVW TV

R 63 15 IWA Caribbean HWT

R 63 15 IWA Puerto Rico

R 55 15 IWC World HWT

R 52 15 MCW Rage TV

R 49 15 NWA Anarchy Young Lions

R 65 15 NWA International TV

S 80 15 NWA NWA/ECCW Vancouver Island

R 43 13 AAW Heritage

R 67 12 WWC Puerto Rican

R 55 10 IWC Super Indy

R 67 9 WWC Caribbean

The Bottom of the list has a lot of regional promotions' titles, which means there should be some changes to bring some of those title images up or change the promotion images down some (or a combo of both). Since I have no knowledege of WWC, IWC, IWA, I don't feel comfortable suggesting changes.

Also to make the titles more playable I think that all of these title images should have a minimum threshold (I say around 20 image for men's HWT titles), when I play, I feel that there is no point having a worker win a title that only has an image of 9.

Agree? Disagree?

Tick Shooting Ability for Famous B - Fights MMA

Tick Trainer for Kenny Omega

Add Loyalty Between Kenny Omega & Bobby Jay

ECCW changed names from extreme Canadian championship wrestling to Elite Canadian Championship Wrestling.

I'm away from home, but I'm pretty sure they are still in the game.

New NWA Anarchy Television - Seth Delay

http://www.alliance-wrestling.com/

http://www.nwamountainstate.com/?p=3114

Boris Dragoff - Tick Trainer

Raise Maifu's speed to 23

http://www.nwamountainstate.com/?p=2277

According to this site Boris Dragoff was born in Jan and should be 42

Raymond Rougeau as an announcer makes a ton of sense to me, maybe about a 55 for talent (strong in French, less so in English). Could go either way on Jacques as a wrestler or an owner, but if you go wrestler, Raymond is a good base for stats.

I disagree with the logic behind his talent being less strong in English. His stat should be based only on his dominant language (as long as it is one of the three official languages used in North America), it shouldn't matter with regards to any other language that he may speak. Otherwise, you need to take into consideration all announcers' ability in all three languages. We don't drop The Rock's charisma because he's not fluent in French and Spanish.(That's speculation only; I really have no idea if The Rock speaks those languages or not. I'm just assuming he doesn't.) I'm in no position to suggest a better stat since I don't know French myself and have never heard him announce. However, I do think that secondary languages should not be taken into consideration on an English speaking bias.

Staff member (owner) Robert K. Trobich is 49yrs old (or at least he was in january when the interview was done)

Make a Tag Team: Excellence Personified Scottie Gash and Brandon K Exp: 25

Also, they recently lost the NWA North american tag titles to a team not in the game so make the title vacant.

PWX (NWA EAST) Roster Overhaul

origially 14 workers

Workers who have made 2 or more appearances at NWA EAST shows since January (based on the results webpage) and are currently in the game:

Jason Cage

Mad Mike

Dash Bennett

Apollyon

Crusher Hansen

Sean Dahmer

Scottie Gash

Shirley Doe

Chris Taylor

Troy Lords

Brandon K

JB Destiny

Devin Devine

Sam Slej (in the game as Hammer)

Krystal Frost

15 Workers

Stacy Hunter has only made one appearance since January, however, she was on the original roster in the game. Therefore I think she should still be included.

=16 workers

Devin Devine is the Brass Knuckles Champion

The Rest of the titles should be vacant as the wrestlers are not currently in the game.

Add an NWA North American Tag Titles Image=30 to PWX held by Brandon K & Scottie Gash