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7 minutes ago, The Christmas Fork said:
I don't think we've ever been anti anything that has to do with TEW or Adam. Many people don't use TEW because they don't really like the complicated nature of it, but there's also tons of us that use it.
I think it was just a baseless accusation, I've never heard any like it before, and I probably will not ever after this.
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I went with June 2002 simply because to me its such an interesting time in Wrestling I didn't experience, of course you have the golden ages (Hulkamania, Attitude era), but it almost seems like some sort of interwar period, WCW is dead, ROH and others were nowhere near where they are today, and I even have a old PWI magazines that both highlights TNA's chances as the second coming essentially, and has predictions of the new faces of WWE, such as Cena, Orton, and Christopher Nowinski (I believe these are from two different magazines) it really looked like the wild west.
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I literally just got to this site to say this small message, someone on the Mod Squad thread mentioned EWB I think it was Genadi, stating it was anti TEW, Adam, and against everything GDS (which as I look around, is obviously wrong, that or I read the many ramblings wrong) I just wanted to say that I once wanted to make a mod for the game, it went under but that was just me being preoccupied with life and ect. I wanted to have a base to create off it, so I asked a creator of a mod if it was okay to do just that (can't think of who it was) and within ten minutes he said yes, and I was on my way.
The fact that this created such an issue, albeit most of us people didn't shake two sticks at, is just silly, and I'm glad to see most people, both here and GDS are more level headed then I was lead to believe, in fact I believe I will be using this forum just as much, so everyone wins in the end.
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I absolutely agree with Christmas Fork about avoiding the modsquad, but I had to put this little gem up here just because of how it just infuriates me:
I'm going to play Devil's advocate here. If the reason you took down the mods was to stop Adam and his cronies from grabbing them, editing them for 2020 (this is based off of your comments; I'm not making this claim in any such way; This is a hypothetical so please don't ban me.), and releasing them on the day of (which btw would tick off 90% of the long-time board members that aren't Adam's cronies but wouldn't bother any of the lurkers, CV-diehards, or RW people of which I'm betting are at least 95% of the people who buy the TEW games), exactly how does that stop them from doing that when they've been out for years already? Not to mention anyone just converting the mod themselves into 2020 like a bunch of people have done to iDOL's awesome 2004 mod in 16? Once the files went public, they're out there forever. I have some mods from 2010 sitting on a hard drive for instance that probably don't exist anywhere on the internet right now.
I get it that you're mad as hell and with exceptionally good reason. He (ADAM) went and sprung something on you that he knew was going to back you into a corner and elicit a very negative reaction from you. I'd say that you all should have been smarter than to fall for the trap, but that would have taken ridiculous amounts of restraint which I don't think 99.9999% of the people on the planet have so I can't fault you for that. You all are amazing partly from the start and mostly from the fact that you've been modding for over a decade now for some and 5 years or so for others. If Adam drives you from the game, it will greatly diminish the game for about 50 people, me included.
You guys have the numbers of downloads of the mod but not the hours of play so you can shoot me the numbers as (we have X downloads), but I doubt most of them play for very long (stupid lack of historical appreciation). Which makes what Adam did make absolutely no sense. If his premise was "Well if I can get rid of this group who have been modding for 5-10 years, the modding community will flourish.", I have absolutely no idea how ridiculous that thought was, but it is up there with "The Earth is flat." To echo Tsu, exactly where are the other modders? There are not 15 out there going "If only those egomaniacs on Nexus would stop making mods, I could unleash these 3 awesome mods I've crafted after a year working on each of them." Those people don't exist.
Was the goal to populate the forum with 15 copies of every mod where people made like 5-50 minor stat changes and uploaded them instead of just keeping them for themselves as they do now? I honestly have no idea what Adam's thinking was, but it was never, ever, ever going to fix the lack of mods being published. If his goal was that, the solution was to go to all of the modders and ask, and then go to the other long-term board members and ask them. You don't just up and spring a poll on the modding community, especially when paying for actual products is frowned upon by a lot of the people in that age group and anyone who came after Napster. So they're probably 90-10 or 95-5 "Screw them, let me have all the mods right now. Intellectual Property be danged." Gee, I'm shocked that the poll was overwhelmingly one-sided towards that answer.
Oh, and Adam if you actually wanted to know why the mod's forum is lackluster now (again despite a massive amount of mods released for 2016 already), here are the reasons.
1. Modding is unbearably hard
2. The board picks them apart arguing over mostly minutia while the happy people leave one comment and go play the mod leaving it looking like it wasn't that great a mod when in fact it could be quite good.
3. People have lives.
4. The game was coming to the end of the cycle and people knew it. Honestly, based on past releases, most people probably thought the new version would be coming out now (as 2019) so they didn't mod in the first half of this year.
5. Again, modding is incredibly hard. Burnout is easy to reach.
None of that is going to be solved by letting everyone steal other people's work. Now, if someone wants to up and create their own location/angle/moveset database on their own and post it for everyone to use, more power to them. They should get a medal. And honestly, if you'd asked Genadi in 2012 if he'd let his be freeware, he would have. After everything that has gone on since them, I'm not the least bit surprised by this reaction.
I put the real juicy bits in bold, this post has some decent arguments, but then the rest reads like a Bray Wyatt promo, and #2 on the list of items really chaps my ass, mainly the last half, the audacity to insist that a mod "fails" when the people who like it don't kiss your feet and worship it like a god just goes to show how no one either in the group or affiliated knows how modding works. Even if he didn't mean for it to read like that, its still so stupid to try and say that you know all and the "final product" (which in modding never truly happens, there is always something you could work on guaranteed) is perfect is just moronic) I once did some mods for a game called Hearts of Iron 2, a strategy game with no editors, no tables to cheat off us, me and several others had to work tirelessly and effortless to research historical figures most people have literally never heard about in 60 years, and what did we get, some people played it, and then nothing. Was it our faults for not going the extra mile and putting in that little 110%, no, it was the fans of course, its not like they helped to contribute and play it, no, we only did it for king and country, give me a break.
Modding is hard, but so is life, I really hope the EWB mega modding faction pulls through and so do more people on all forums to go on to create fun fantasy wrestling nerd simulators.
TD;DR ModSquad went from me seeing them as good mod makers and nothing more to being EA without the loot boxes. Lets all make better mods