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Roddy Piper ribbing by Lou Albano and Freddie Blassie - 53 min.

Don't know where I found the Sammartino/Lou Albano loyalty.

EDIT :

2h20 shoot interview of Lou Albano - just watched 30 mins and he called Bret Hart and DDP friends!

Well, on my data I have a dislike with Roddy Piper and a Loyalty with Bruno Sammartino.

Thanks you - I will watch some of his matches on Youtube. Do you know how else was good in the European circuit at this time?

I'm still interesting to some infos for mexican wrestling.

Currently working on Relationship - I watch a lot of shoot interviews but I would like to hear your opinions of the following ones :

Hulk Hogan/Randy Savage - friendship or dislike ? On Savage's interview (2003), he seems to dislike Hogan. On the other hand, Hogan always praise Savage's talent and refered him as a friend.

Jake Roberts/Honky Tonk Man - Roberts seems to dislike him for the guitar's shot in 1987 (in a WWE DVD he says that put him on rehab) but on the shoot interviews of HTM, he says that he is friend.

Michael Hayes-Jimmy Garvin/DDP - I heard that the Freebirds bullied DDP at this time - but on the Wrestling Roundtable, DDP called them his friends and he was saying that they help to his career.

Now, I remember why I rated Suzuki so high - on Pancrase (1993), he was very impressive.

It's seem that a lot of Japanese wrestlers are underrated

I can only help for NJPW - before I made suggestions, their biggest stars (Tanahashi, Nakamura, Goto, Okada) - how do you rate them in Overness?

The thing is, this is a North American wrestling simulator, so at least for overness, foreign wrestlers from any country outside of the US, Canada, or Mexico will not be rated as high even if they're huge stars in Japan.

OK I get it - and their gimmick/alignement (Hiroshi Tanahashi is currently an Evil Foreigner but he is the top face of NJPW)?

Rename Peter Orlov to Alex Koslov

Rename the Tag Team Koslov and Romero to Forever Hooligans

Add the tag team Time Splitters (Alex Shelley and KUSHIDA) - 3 EXP

Raise Hiroshi Tanahashi's Brawl to 82

Raise Shinsuke Nakamura's brawl to 80, Speed to 50 and Selling to 84

Raise Hirooki Goto's brawl to 81, Technical to 73, Stiff to 68, Selling to 82

Raise Minoru Suzuki's brawl to 79, Technical to 81, Selling to 80 and decrease speed to 25

Raise Karl Anderson's brawl to 76 and decrease Speed to 56

Raise Kazuchika Okada brawl to 74 and Charisma to 75 - Make him an Heavyweight.

Raise Tetsuya Naito brawl to 64, technical to 77 and Selling to 76.

Rename Yujiro to Yujiro Takahashi. De-activate the tag team No Limit.

Still working on the Data.

Made a lot of work in Stats.

First, a look at Brawl :

Bold = Raise/New

Italic = Decrease

90: Cactus Jack

89: Stan Hansen

88: Terry Funk

87: Terry Gordy

86: Bam Bam Bigelow, Steve Williams

85: Jumbo Tsuruta, Big Van Vader, Bull Nakano

84: Kenta Kobashi, Abdullah the Butcher, Atsushi Onita

83: Eddie Gilbert, Sabu, Mitsuharu Misawa

82: Shinya Hashimoto, Akira Maeda, Barry Windham, Ric Flair, Aja Kong

81: Rick Rude, Tatsumi Fujinami, Masakatsu Funaki, Dave Finlay, Jake Roberts, Arn Anderson, Randy Savage

80: Minoru Suzuki, Scott Steiner, The Great Muta, Bret Hart, Ted DiBiase, Buzz Sawyer

79: Hiroshi Hase, Naoki Sano, Mr. Perfect, Ricky Steamboat, Kensuke Sasaki, Rick Steiner, Jerry Lawler

78: Roddy Piper, Nobuhiko Takada, Larry Zbyszko, Sting, Dick Murdoch, Riki Choshu

77: Hawk, Dan Spivey, Bill Dundee, Masa Saito, Leatherface, Genichiro Tenryu, Moondog Spot

76: Hulk Hogan, Lex Luger, Masahiro Chono, The Gladiator (Mike Awesome), Steve Austin, The Big Bossman, Dan Kroffat, Toshihaki Kawada, The Great Kabuki, The Sheik, Paul Orndorff, Terrence Taylor

75: Irwin R. Schyster, The Mountie, Jeff Jarrett, Tiger Jeet Singh

74: Animal, Greg Valentine, Bob Backlund, Tom Prichard, Ron Simmons, Bobby Eaton, Rick Martel, Doug Furnas, Akira Taue

73: Akira Hokuto, Don Muraco, Dick Slater, El Matador, Steve Regal, Dustin Rhodes, Samu, Undertaker, Tully Blanchard

72: British Bulldog, Shane Douglas, Brian Knobbs, Butch Reed, Nikita Koloff, Jimmy Garvin, Manny Fernandez, El Dandy, Moondog Spike, Stan Lane

71: Sid Justice, Shawn Michaels, Repo Man, Johnny Ace, Earthquake, Kevin Sullivan, Dynamite Kid, Kokina Maximus, Masanobu Fuchi

70: Marty Jannetty, Diamond Studd, Super Strong Machine, Bill Eadie, Johnny Smith, Mike Sharpe, Jim Powers, Austin Idol, Haku

69: Sgt Slaughter, King Kong Bundy, Thomas Rich, Chris Adams, Al Madril, Dennis Condrey, The Grappler, Scott Norton, Ron Bass

68: The Berzerker, Texas Tornado, Paul Roma, Jerry Sags, Billy Jack Haynes, The Tazmaniac, Ron Garvin, Bob Orton, Jerry Estrada, Jim Neidhart, Wahoo McDaniel, Ashura Hara, Headhunter B

67: Antonio Inoki, Jimmy Backlund, Chris Benoit, The Dark Patriot, Demolition Crush, T.N.T, The Samoan Savage, One Man Gang, Headhunter A

66: Dino Bravo, Big Josh, The Barbarian, Jim Duggan, Ivan Koloff, Joe Malenko, Dutch Mantell, Dory Funk Jr., Fatu, The Sandman, The Italian Stallion, Al Perez

65: Honky Tonk Man, Dusty Rhodes, Owen Hart, Skinner, Chris Chavis, Brian Lee, Z-Man, Jerry Blackwell, George South, Steve Blackman, Michael Hayes

64: Ultimate Warrior, Hercules, Barry Horowitz, Hector Guerrero, Fire Cat, Beau Beverly, Angus King, Wayne Shamrock, Chavo Guerrero, Harley Race, Bobby Fulton, Young Pistol Steve

63: Typhoon, Blake Beverly, Robert Gibson, Arachnaman, Negro Casas, Louie Spicolli, Black Bart, Virgil, Buddy Landel, Jesse Barr, Gran Hamada, Derrick Dukes, Stevie Ray, Vampiro, Randy Rose

62: Sam Houston, Jimmy Snuka, Pez Whatley, Brutus Beefcake, Tommy Rogers, Don Kernodle, Johnny Rotten, Akio Sato, Al Snow, Alfonso Dantes, Young Pistol Tracey, Kendo Nagasaki

61: Luke, Flyin' Brian, Oz, Chris Walker, Tsuyoshi Kikuchi, Mr Hughes, Mil Mascaras, Eric Embry, Miguel Pérez, Jr., Mark Starr

60: Jim Brunzell, The Warlord, Bob Bradley, Kato, Butch, Rip Rogers, Dirty White Boy, Flyin' Scorpio, Biff wellington, El Canek

59: The Brooklyn Brawler, Colonel Mustafa, Bob Holly, Bull Pain, The Patriot, Nick Bockwinkel, Tony Atlas

58: Richard Morton, Bad News Brown, Marcus Bagwell, Dean Malenko, Lighting Kid, Barry Hardy, Jackie Fulton

57: B. Brian Blair, Pat Tanaka, Sir Charles, Koko B. Ware, Scott Anthony, AJ Petrucci, Steven Dane, Buddy Rose

56: Reno Riggins, Mike Graham, Nikolai Volkoff, Jerry Lynn, Makhan Singh, Ken Patera, Boris Zhukov

55: Tom Bennett, Johnny B. Badd, Don Callis

54: DDP, Big John Studd, Joey Maggs, The Spirit of America, Jimmy Valiant, Kendall Windham, Al Green, J.W. Storm

53: Sgt Buddy Lee Parker, The Genius, Van Hammer, Steve Ray, Ranger Ross

52: Kamala, PN News, Brett Sawyer, Todd Champion, Firebreaker Chip

51: Dublin Destroyer, Brian Donahue, Jushin Liger, Lt. James Earl Wright, The Mongolian Stomper, Randy Rhodes, Angel of Death, Rip Morgan, Steve DiSalvo

50: Tim Horner, General Adnan, Ricky Santana

49: Pat Rose, Bill Kazmaier

48: Bruno Sammartino, Junkyard Dog, Lance Storm, The Duke of Dorchester, Tom Stone, Jack Victory

47: André the Giant, George Steele, Brian Costello, Chris Jericho

46: Ray Odyssey, Tom Stone, Dale Wolfe, Chaz Taylor, Tim Patterson

45: El Gigante, Killer Kyle, Bob Roop, Sensational Sherri

44: Mario Mancini, Jean Paul Levesque, Sonny Blaze, Rockin' Robin

43: Blackheart Apocalypse, Alex Porteau, Rocky King

42: Vladimir Koloff, Joe Cazana, Adam Copeland, Red Tyler

41: Bart Sawyer, Art Barr

40:

39: Duane Gill

38: Masao Orihara

37: Atlantis

36:

35:

34:

33: Ricky Fuji

32: Brian Christopher

31:

30:

29:

28: Tiger Mask, Gary Hart

That the changes I did in six months - some seems weird to me -

I'm not sure on the followings changes:

Ric Flair : 83 to 82 - I may raise him to 84. Tech stay at 82. In 1991/2, his series of matches against Piper, Hogan and Savage were really good. Great performance against young Michaels in December 91 and Mr. Perfect in late 92/93. Only his matches against Bret Hart were average...

Rick Rude/Arn Anderson : 82 to 81 - Don't know why I decrease Arn's value. Rick Rude is hard to rate - he is really irregular but against the right opponent, he is marvellous (Sting, Steamboat).

Larry Zbyszko : 79 to 78 - even at the end of his career, he wrestled great match in tag bouts.

Also, not sure if the youngs Minoru Suzuki and Dave Finlay deserves 80 yet.

Hulk Hogan's boost can feel odd but his late matches in Japan (with Muta and Hansen) really impresses me. His work in the US was fine. He didn't wrestle a lot in 1992 (last match is at WM).

It's seem that a lot of Japanese wrestlers are underrated

I can only help for NJPW - before I made suggestions, their biggest stars (Tanahashi, Nakamura, Goto, Okada) - how do you rate them in Overness?

TNA PPV Spoiler :

Madison Rayne is the new KO champion

Remove AW from WWE.

Source : http://www.wwe.com/inside/wwe-superstar-aw-release-26044431

Raise Hiroshi Tanahashi's Brawl to 75, speed to 59, Technical to 85, Selling to 84.

The Rockers were a popular tag team at the time - after the Roadwarriors and the Steiners, they were the most cheered.

Look at the other tag teams:

LOD : 90

Steiners : 88

Enforcers : 85

Rockers : 81

Nasty Boyz : 79

Natural Disasters : 77

Freebirds: 76

Also, Shawn was already a top wrestler back in January 1992 - you should watch his match against Ric Flair or against the Orient Express in RR 91.

He is currently rated at 84 in Speed BTW.

I can understand that Tech is a bit high.

And yeah, Charisma at 85 - the Barber Shop segment was done in December 91 (on TV in January). At the end of the year, Shawn's charisma should be at 88.

P.D. : In the next update, there will be no more wrestlers with 0's everywhere.

RAW Spoilers:

The Miz is the new IC Champion

Is it too late to suggest some stats?

Well, I just check the stats of one of the best wrestlers - Hiroshi Tanahashi - and they seems to be really low.

Raise his Brawl to 75, his speed to 59, his Technical to 85, his Selling to 84.

Now, IMO Great Khali and Jack Swagger are more Midcarders.

Thank you Bill but I know the concept, I'm the guy coming with the idea of the ladders.

When I write my post, I was thinking it was his ladder, not the current ladder.

End of off-topic.

Your own ladder is really good, Team720. Agree with your suggestions.

After seeing Money In The Bank:

Rename Abraham Washington to AW. Raise AW's overness to 70 and his charimsa to 82, the guy is funny and actually enjoyable on the mic now that he doesn't try so hard to be a funny talk show host. He is the modern day Jimmy Hart.

Lower Epico's overness to 65.

Raise Darren Young's overness to 68.

Lower Primo's overness to 67.

Raise Titus O'Neil's overness to 67.

I feel this way for the overness raise/lowers because both teams were not over on the show BUT the Prime Time Players got a way bigger response than Epico and Primo did. They barely got a pop for entering the arena or the win.

Raise Rosa Mendes' charisma to 68 because while she isn't strong on the mic, she does have a physical charisma that is barely matched in WWE.

Raise Dolph Ziggler's overness to 92, I feel he is little higher than being on-par with Miz.

Lower Alberto Del Rio's overness to 90 as I feel is not on the same level as Dolph and Miz right now.

Lower Beth Phoenix's overness to 74.

Lower Eve's overness to 72.

Lower Natayla's overness to 70.

Similar to the tag match, the women were not getting pops at all tonight. I feel that Layla, Tamina and Kaitlyn are at good overness ratings for them at the moment but not the heels they faced.

-Raise Abyss' overness to 83.

-Raise Austin Aries' overness to 82. Raise his wages to 40,000. Make him an upper mid carder.

-Raise Miss Tessmacher's brawl to 54, stiffness to 41, selling to 64, and overness to 60.

Raise Gail Kim's stiffness to 42.

Add these values of your ladder, Team720.

Also, there is a reason for not have wrestlers at 95, 90, 85, 80...?

Looking at some wreslters Selling stat, Cena is rated higher than better sellers.

One guy in particular is Sheamus (77 currently) - instead of Cena, he is believable in his comebacks.

So, yeah Cena should be rated at 78 - 73 is really harsh. And Sheamus should be at least at 83. He made Del Rio looks credible last night - he delivers also greats performances against Ziggler and D. Bryan.

EDIT : There was a discussion about Backlund's charisma. This guy was funny back in the 90's but I 'm not sure about 85 right now. 77-78 is good IMO.

Update!

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702 wrestlers, 9 promotions, 287 staff members, 494 relationships and 134 tag teams

Can I get these pictures on Kyky? Thanks.

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Speed:

93: Dragon Kid, Sin Cara

92: Masato Yoshino

91: Evan Bourne, PAC

90:

89: Ricochet

88: Rich Swann

87: CIMA, El Generico, Player Dos

86: AJ Styles, Flip Kendrick, Low Ki, Nick Jackson, Ryo Jimmy Saito, Samuray Del Sol, Susumu Yokosuka

85: Seth Rollins

84: AR Fox, Chris Sabin, Justin Gabriel, Scott Lost

83: Austin Aries, BxB Hulk, Matt Jackson, Rey Mysterio

82: Davey Richards, Jay Lethal, Kazarian

81: Genki Horiguchi, Hunico, Kofi Kingston, Rob Van Dam, Scorpio Sky

80:

79: Louis Lyndon, Trent Barreta

78: Alex Shelley, Christopher Daniels, Naruki Doi, Sean Waltman, Zema Ion

77: Daniel Bryan, Eddie Edwards, TJ Perkins, Zokre

76: B-Boy, Caprice Coleman, Cedric Alexander, Chris Kadillak, Chuck Taylor, Delirious, Eric Young, Excalibur, Jeff Hardy, Jesse Sorensen, Jigsaw, Kenny King, Mike Cruz, Phoenix Star, R-Truth, Tyson Kidd, Willie Mack

75: Joseph Mercury

74: Akira Tozawa, Antonio Cesaro, Mark Briscoe, Rocky Romero, Shelton Benjamin, Xavier Woods

73: Dolph Ziggler, Johnny Yuma, Primo

72: Bo Dallas, Jay Briscoe, Mike Dalton

71: Alberto Del Rio, Brad Maddox, Brian Cage-Taylor, Famous B, Gail Kim, JTG, Joey Ryan, Kassius Ohno, Kid Kash, Masaaki Mochizuki, Sarah Stock, Stalker Ichikawa, Yoshi Tatsu

70: Gamma

69: Alex Reynolds, Chris Jericho, CM Punk, Jimmy Jacobs, Johnny Goodtime, Robbie E

68: Epico, Peter Avalon, Ricardo Rodriguez, Uhaa Nation

67: AJ Lee, John Silver, Shawn Michaels, Soldier Ant, Super Dragon

66: Jey Uso, Johnny Gargano, Kevin Steen, Leo Kruger, Sofia Cortez

65: Roderick Strong

64: Kyle Matthews, Mike Mondo, Richie Steamboat, Ryan Taylor

63: Arik Cannon, Caleb Konley, Mickie James

62: Adam Cole, Andy Ridge, Brad Allen, Jimmy Uso, Kyle O'Reilly, Kurt Angle

61: Christian, Harlem Bravado, Naomi Night, Zack Ryder

60: SHINGO

59: Corey Graves, James Storm, Kelly Kelly, Nick Rogers, Pinkie Sanchez, Truth Martini

58: Alex Silva, Eve Torres, Heath Slater, Sabu

57: Brutus Magnus, Rick Victor

56: Christina Von Eerie, Derrick Bateman, Matt Taven, Ricky Reyes, Samoa Joe

55: Byron Saxton, Matt Striker

54: Brock Lesnar, Cody Rhodes, Curt Hawkins, D'Angelo Dinero, Layla El, Sami Callihan, Scott Reed, YAMATO

53: Johnny Curtis, Michael Elgin, Player Uno, Ray Rosas, Ted DiBiase, The Miz

52: Bobby Fish, Prince Nana

51: Archibald Peck, Jon Davis, Lancelot Bravado, Natalya Neidhart, Rosita

50: Mr. Ernesto Osiris

49: Bray Wyatt, Candice LeRae, Hernandez, Jason Jordan, Miss Tessmacher, Val Kabious

48: Al Snow, CJ Parker, Grizzly Redwood, Sakamoto

47: Alicia Fox, Brodie Lee, Gunner

46: Alex Riley, Leakee, Madison Rayne, Tamina Snuka

45: Conor O'Brian, Drew McIntyre, Tara

44: Dean Ambrose, Garett Bischoff, Hornswoggle, Jack Swagger, Sheamus, Velvet Sky, Winter

43: Beth Phoenix, Bobby Roode, Tyler Reks

42: Rhett Titus, Tenille

41: Charlie Haas, John Cena, Nigel McGuinness

40:

39: Crimson, Edge, Garrett Dylan, Jinder Mahal

38: Steve Corino, Tommaso Ciampa

37: Aiden English, Briley Pierce, Dante Dash, Matt Morgan, Michael McGillicutty, Mr. Anderson

36: Kenneth Cameron

35: Shane Hagadorn

34: Muhammed Lawal, ODB, Undertaker

33:

32: Austin Draven, Mike Bennett, Trish Stratus

31: Brodus Clay, Camacho, Kharma, Percy Watson, Randy Orton, Ryback, Santino Marella, Wade Barrett

30:

29: Abraham Washington, Audrey Marie, Damien Sandow, Darren Young, Jake Manning, Jeff Jarrett, Kaitlyn

28: Alexander Rusev, Booker T, Douglas Williams, Raquel Diaz, William Regal

27: DT Porter, Mason Ryan, Paige

26: David Otunga, Derek Foore, Marcus Anthony

25: Sting

24: Abyss, Aksana, Bob Evans, Hector Guerrero

23: The Rock

22: Ahtu, Kane,

21: Finlay, Triple H

20:

19: Big E Langston, Big Show, Devon, Rhino, Titus O'Neil

18: Buggy, Robbie T

17: Caylee Turner, Ezekiel Jackson, Mick Foley, Tensai

16: James Bronson, Rosa Mendes

15:

14: Adam Mercer, Bully Ray, Jake Carter, Jerry Lawler

13: Colin Cassady, Jesse James, Martin Stone

12: John Laurinaitis, Reby Sky, Taz

11:

10:

9: Erick Rowan

8: Larry Dallas, Mr. McMahon, Ric Flair

7: Eli Cottonwood, Kevin Nash

6: Mark Henry

5: Eric Bischoff

4: Steve Austin

3: Bret Hart, Cameron Lynn, Dusty Rhodes, Stephanie McMahon

2: Hulk Hogan, Summer Rae, Theodore Long, Vickie Guerrero

1: Jeremy Borash, Lilian Garcia, Linda McMahon, Paul Heyman, The Great Khali

0: Jim Cornette

Technical:

93: Daniel Bryan

89: William Regal, Nigel McGuinness

88: Davey Richards, Douglas Williams, Kassius Ohno, Kurt Angle

87: Alex Shelley

86: Antonio Cesaro, Austin Aries, CM Punk

85:

84: Soldier Ant

83: Christopher Daniels, Roderick Strong

82: Chris Jericho, Delirious, Low Ki, Masaaki Mochizuki

81: Christian, Dolph Ziggler, Eddie Edwards, Finlay, Susumu Yokosuka, TJ Perkins, Tyson Kidd

80: Samoa Joe

79: AJ Styles, Grizzly Redwood, Joey Ryan, Mike Mondo, Seth Rollins, Shawn Michaels

78: Charlie Haas, Jack Swagger, Kenny King, Kyle O'Reilly, Rey Mysterio, Shelton Benjamin

77: Al Snow, Arik Cannon, El Generico, Jay Lethal, Kevin Steen, Natalya Neidhart, Scott Lost, Steve Corino

76: Kazarian, Adam Cole, Rocky Romero

75: Matt Striker, Rhett Titus

74: Alberto Del Rio, Bobby Roode, Bo Dallas, Cedric Alexander, Gail Kim, Jeff Jarrett, Jesse Sorensen, Kid Kash, Michael McGillicutty, Ryo Jimmy Saito, Tommaso Ciampa, Zema Ion

73: Chuck Taylor, Derrick Bateman, Jay Briscoe, Justin Gabriel, Naruki Doi, Richie Steamboat, Sami Callihan, Ted DiBiase, Triple H, YAMATO

72: Beth Phoenix, Edge, Jigsaw, Johnny Curtis

71: B-Boy, CIMA, Evan Bourne, Jimmy Jacobs, Johnny Gargano, Pinkie Sanchez, Ricky Reyes, Tenille

70: Yoshi Tatsu

69: Bobby Fish, Brock Lesnar, Brutus Magnus, Chris Sabin, Corey Graves, Dean Ambrose, James Storm, Mark Briscoe, Matt Jackson, Ryan Taylor, Wade Barrett

68: Caprice Coleman, Derek Foore, Drew McIntyre, James Bronson, Player Uno, Scorpio Sky, Super Dragon, Xavier Woods, Zack Ryder

67: Akira Tozawa, Caleb Konley, Cody Rhodes, Curt Hawkins, Kofi Kingston, Kyle Matthews, Muhammed Lawal, Nick Rogers, Rich Swann, Ricochet, Sin Cara

66: Eric Young, Genki Horiguchi, Heath Slater, Hunico, Jon Davis, Nick Jackson, Sean Waltman, Taz

65: Hector Guerrero

64: Brian Cage-Taylor, Briley Pierce, Damien Sandow, Gunner, Jake Manning, John Cena, Kharma, Michael Elgin, Ric Flair, Samuray Del Sol, Sarah Stock, Trent Barreta

63: Bret Hart, D'Angelo Dinero, Leo Kruger, Tyler Reks

62: BxB Hulk, Joseph Mercury, Randy Orton, Santino Marella, Sheamus

61: Brad Allen, Conor O'Brian, Crimson, Masato Yoshino, Mike Dalton, Primo, R-Truth

60: Andy Ridge, Mr. Ernesto Osiris, Tara

59: AJ Lee, Archibald Peck, AR Fox, Brad Maddox, CJ Parker, Dragon Kid, PAC, Peter Avalon, Rick Victor, Winter

58: Alex Silva, Jason Jordan, Louis Lyndon, Matt Taven, Rob Van Dam, Robbie E, SHINGO, Tensai, Willie Mack

57: Bob Evans, Epico, Excalibur

56: Darren Young, Harlem Bravado, Jake Carter, Jeff Hardy, John Laurinaitis, John Silver

55:

54: Eve Torres, Mr. Anderson, ODB, Ricardo Rodriguez, Shane Hagadorn, Sofia Cortez, The Miz

53: Alicia Fox, Booker T, Lancelot Bravado, Mike Cruz

52: Alex Riley, Layla El, Phoenix Star, Undertaker

51: Alexander Rusev, Jinder Mahal, Johnny Goodtime, Kenneth Cameron, Player Dos, Uhaa Nation, Zokre

50:

49: Adam Mercer, Alex Reynolds, Byron Saxton, Famous B, Garett Bischoff, Garrett Dylan, Madison Rayne, Rosita

48: Aksana, Brodie Lee, Dante Dash, Ray Rosas

47: Gamma, Jimmy Uso, Hernandez, Namoi Night

46: Aiden English, Jey Uso, Mickie James, Mike Bennett, Paige, Sakamoto, Truth Martini

45:

44: Austin Draven, Jerry Lawler, Johnny Yuma, Percy Watson, Rosa Mendes, Val Kabious

43: Leakee

42: Camacho, Tamina Snuka

41: Rhino, Sabu, Scott Reed

40:

39: JTG, Matt Morgan, Prince Nana, Velvet Sky

38: Candice LeRae, Sting

37: Christina Von Eerie, Miss Tessmacher, Stalker Ichikawa

36: Audrey Marie, Brodus Clay, Chris Kadillak

35:

34: Big Show, Bray Wyatt, David Otunga, Kaitlyn, Kane, The Rock

33: Raquel Diaz

32: Ahtu, Big E Langston, Ryback

31: Flip Kendrick

30: DT Porter, Martin Stone

29: Abyss, Bully Ray, Trish Stratus

28: Kelly Kelly

27: Steve Austin

26:

25:

24: Abraham Washington, Caylee Turner, Mason Ryan

23:

22:

21: Buggy, Devon, Ezekiel Jackson, Mick Foley, Robbie T

20:

19: Colin Cassady, Marcus Anthony

18:

17: Hornswoggle

16: Jesse James, Mark Henry

15:

14: Larry Dallas

13: Mr. McMahon, Titus O'Neil

12: Dusty Rhodes, Hulk Hogan

11: Erick Rowan, Kevin Nash

10: Eric Bischoff

7: Reby Sky

6: Cameron Lynn, Stephanie McMahon

5:

4: Summer Rae, Theodore Long, Vickie Guerrero

3: Eli Cottonwood, Paul Heyman, The Great Khali

2: Jeremy Borash, Lilian Garcia, Linda McMahon

0: Jim Cornette

Team 720's suggestions:

Charisma

Agree with all the changes in Charisma for 90+ (exception: Ric Flair - Hogan at 96 is good)

For 80+, agree as well especially Swagger at 80 (exceptions: Kingston and Ambrose)

IMO Abyss could be raise to 80 - his segments as Joseph Parks are entertaining and he plays his character great. Overness as well at 80.

Paul Heyman : I always rate him higher. You are talking about Slater being an annoying guy, Paul Heyman is the master in this domain. Great talker, IMO he is 93/94.

Alberto Del Rio : I never found him entertaining, annoying or charismatic. To me, his promos are insignifiants. He has some trouble with English too. (I concede that his facial expressions are great).

And what do you think about Ryder, Truth and Marella 's charisma?

They are comedy wrestlers, some skits are funny but I don't find them charismatic especially Ryder.

IMO Truth is 87, Marella 86 and Ryder 84.

Brawl

I'm with Kris in that.

So we are three (Kris, Mancuerda and me) for Undertaker at 86.

Also, Drew McIntyre (76) and Swagger (75). Tensai should stay at 77.

Agree with Mancuerda for Storm's charisma to 86.

Charisma ladder

100: Steve Austin, The Rock

99: CM Punk

98: Ric Flair

97: Chris Jericho

96: Edge, John Cena, Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, Mr. McMahon, Roddy Piper, Triple H

95:

94: Dusty Rhodes, Hulk Hogan, James Mitchell, Jim Cornette, Raven, Shawn Michaels

93: Christian, Kevin Nash, Steve Corino

92: John Bradshaw Layfield, Mr. Anderson, The Miz

91: Booker T, Jerry Lawler, Paul Heyman, Shane McMahon, Sting, William Regal

90: DDP, Don Callis

89: Bully Ray, Dean Ambrose, Eddie Kingston, Goldust, James Storm, R-Truth, Santino Marella

88: Alberto Del Rio, American Kickboxer II, Bob Sapp, Colt Cabana, Eric Bischoff, Jason Sensation, Keiji Mutoh, Shane Douglas, Sid Fabulous

87: Big Show, Cody Rhodes, D'Angelo Dinero, Dolph Ziggler, Fabulous Frederik, Jesse James, Johnny Fairplay, Kassius Ohno, Matt Striker, New Jack, Randy Orton, The Sandman

86: Bobby Roode, Chuck Taylor, Danny Bonaduce, Delirious, Joel Gertner, Kane, Masahiro Chono, MVP, Sami Callihan, Scott Parker, Taz, Terry Funk, Theodore Long, Ultramantis Black, Wade Barrett, Zack Ryder

85: Bob Backlund, Ernest Miller, Lisa Moretti, Quinson Valentino

84: Al Snow, Christopher Daniels, Derrick Bateman, Kevin Steen, Sheamus

83: AJ Lee, Alex Riley, Austin Aries, Daniel Bryan, Drew McIntyre, Eric Young, Jay Lethal, Jeff Jarrett, Karen Jarrett, Undertaker, Velvet Sky, Vickie Guerrero

82: Alex Shelley, Jack Swagger, Jay Briscoe, Jimmy Jacobs, John Laurinaitis, Layla El

81: AJ Styles, Bret Hart, Damien Sandow, Excalibur, Kofi Kingston, Prince Nana, Ricardo Rodriguez, Rob Van Dam, Samoa Joe, Stephanie McMahon, Trish Stratus

80:

79: Brutus Magnus, David Otunga, Hornswoggle, Jinder Mahal, Lilian Garcia, Nigel McGuinness, Rey Mysterio, Soldier Ant

78: Beth Phoenix, Bray Wyatt, Brodus Clay, Davey Richards, El Generico, Mark Henry, Mickie James, Pinkie Sanchez

77: Akira Tozawa, Antonio Cesaro, Archibald Peck, Devon, Jeremy Borash, JTG, Matt Morgan, Mark Briscoe, Nick Rogers, Xavier Woods

76: Abyss, Adam Cole, Angelina Love, Brock Lesnar, BxB Hulk, Byron Saxton, Chris Sabin, Christy Hemme, Conor O'Brian, Jake Manning, Joey Ryan, Johnny Gargano, Kenny King, Low Ki, Madison Rayne, Percy Watson, Player Uno, Rich Swann, Rhino, Sean Waltman

75: Kazarian

74: Aiden English, Charlie Haas, Curt Hawkins, Douglas Williams, Eve Torres, Gunner, Hunico, Jeff Hardy, Johnny Curtis, Kid Kash, Maria Kanellis, Maxine, Shane Hagadorn, Sin Cara, Stalker Ichikawa, Tara, Ted DiBiase, Truth Martini, Zema Ion

73: Abraham Washington, Brad Maddox, Brooke Hogan, Corey Graves, Joseph Mercury, Mike Mondo, Trent Barreta

72: Caprice Coleman, CJ Parker, Ezekiel Jackson, Gail Kim, Hector Guerrero, Kelly Kelly, Primo, Robbie E, Shelton Benjamin, Winter

71: Bo Dallas, Bob Evans, Crimson, Genki Horiguchi, Raquel Diaz, Roderick Strong

70: Rhett Titus, YAMATO

69: Aksana, Alicia Fox, Heath Slater, Paige, Ray Rosas, Reby Sky, Ryback, Sabu

68: Arik Cannon, Grizzly Redwood, Hernandez, Johnny Goodtime, Mike Bennett, Miss Tessmacher, Naomi Night, Peter Avalon, Seth Rollins

67: Adam Mercer, Alex Reynolds, CIMA, Darren Young, Gamma, Garett Bischoff, Jake Carter, Jey Uso, Jimmy Uso, Larry Dallas, Mason Ryan, So Cal Val

66: Cedric Alexander, Colin Cassady, Famous B, Finlay, Kharma, Sarah Stock, Scorpio Sky, Scott Lost, Tensai, Tommaso Ciampa, Tyson Kidd

65:

64: Caleb Konley, Candice LeRae, Dixie Carter, Justin Gabriel, Leakee, Leo Kruger, Michael McGillicutty, ODB, Titus O'Neil

63: Cameron Lynn, Eddie Edwards, Epico, Johnny Yuma, Jon Davis, TJ Perkins, Willie Mack

62: Brian Cage-Taylor, Dante Dash, Kaitlyn, Kyle Matthews, Mia Yim, Muhammed Lawal, Ricochet

61: Ahtu, Alexander Rusev, Audrey Marie, John Silver, Kenneth Cameron, Marcus Anthony, Masato Yoshino, Player Dos, Richie Steamboat, Rick Victor, Super Dragon, Tyler Reks

60:

59: B-Boy, Bobby Fish, Brad Allen, Briley Pierce, Brodie Lee, Eli Cottonwood, Garrett Dylan, Louis Lyndon, Matt Jackson, Nick Jackson, Robbie T, Rosita, Sofia Cortez, Susumu Yokosuka, Tamina Snuka, Uhaa Nation, Val Kabious

58: AR Fox, Matt Taven, Mr. Ernesto Osiris, Rosa Mendes, Tenille

57: Caylee Turner, Christina Von Eerie, Ricky Reyes, The Great Khali, Veda Scott

56: Camacho, Evan Bourne, Jigsaw, Kyle O'Reilly, PAC, Rocky Romero, Scott Reed

55: SHINGO

54: Alex Silva, Jason Jordan, Jesse Sorensen, Michael Elgin, Ryo Jimmy Saito, Sakamoto, Samuray Del Sol, Yoshi Tatsu

52: James Bronson, Mike Cruz, Summer Rae

51: Big E Langston, Erick Rowan

50: Andy Ridge, Naruki Doi

49: Zokre

48: Buggy, Chris Kadillak, Ryan Taylor

47: Dragon Kid, Mike Dalton

46:

45: Martin Stone

44: Linda McMahon

43: Flip Kendrick

42:

41:

40:

39: Harlem Bravado

38: Derek Foore, DT Porter

37:

36: Lancelot Bravado, Masaaki Mochizuki

28: Phoenix Star

Cena at 81 and Orton at 80 is good for me.

First, we weren't agree about raising Undertaker's brawl to 86?

What do you think about Kevin Steen? IMO his Brawl could be raise to 85.

Brawl:

74: Al Snow, Justin Gabriel, Ryback, Zack Ryder

73: Curt Hawkins, Damien Sandow (??), Epico, Ezekiel Jackson, Heath Slater, Tyler Reks

72: Alex Riley, Gunner

71: Mason Ryan

I believe all these guys should have brawl decrease.

Al Snow: I don't know when the last time he wrestled...

Justin Gabriel and Heath Slater: decrease to 71.

Ryback : he is just doing squashes and his stats had raised - 70 IMO.

Agree with Darnez about Riley, Ryan and Jackson.

Hawkins and Reks - don't know if they demonstrate good brawls in Superstars but I guess they could go under 70's.

Lower Gunner to 66.

Zack Ryder : his brawls against Kane weren't great. Lower him to 70/71.

Also, Kazarian at 45 seems really low...

Guys who I have not seen but feel are entirely overrated:

Adam Cole

[...]

Disagree with that. His last bout with Kyle O' Reilly was tremendous. I feel Brawl 's stat could be raise.

Well, I notice for a lot of guys that the Speed stat was overrated for my taste.

For example, I don't see a guy like Clay at 31 (same as Orton, Ryback, Marella and Barrett).

For the moment, I updated the Brawl Ladder I did last month (added DGUSA and PWG):

86: Edge

85: Samoa Joe

84: Bully Ray, Davey Richards, Finlay, Sami Callihan, Undertaker

83: Shawn Michaels, Triple H, William Regal

82: Daniel Bryan, Sheamus, SHINGO

81: Abyss, Brock Lesnar, James Storm, Kassius Ohno, Kevin Steen, Matt Morgan, Randy Orton, Rhino

80: Kurt Angle

79: Chris Jericho, Christian, CM Punk, Eddie Edwards, Jay Briscoe, Jimmy Jacobs, John Cena, Low Ki, Rob Van Dam, Roderick Strong

78: Bobby Roode, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, Hernandez, Kharma, Mark Briscoe, Steve Corino, Wade Barrett

77: Drew McIntyre, Jack Swagger, Jeff Jarrett, Super Dragon, Tensai

76: Beth Phoenix, Bobby Fish, Booker T, Johnny Gargano, Kane, Kyle O'Reilly, Mick Foley, Mr. Anderson, ODB, Rich Swann

75: Naruki Doi

74: Al Snow, Arik Cannon, Big Show, Brodie Lee, Dean Ambrose, Delirious, Douglas Williams, Jon Davis, Justin Gabriel, Michael Elgin, R-Truth, Ryback, Ted DiBiase, The Rock, Tommaso Ciampa, Zack Ryder

73: Akira Tozawa, Alberto Del Rio, Curt Hawkins, D'Angelo Dinero, Damien Sandow, Devon, Epico, Ezekiel Jackson, Heath Slater, Kevin Nash, Masaaki Mochizuki, Michael McGillicutty, Nigel McGuinness, Ricky Reyes, Sabu, Shelton Benjamin, TJ Perkins, Tyler Reks, YAMATO

72: Alex Riley, Austin Aries, Gunner, Jake Manning, Kyle Matthews, Mark Henry, Ric Flair, Sting

71: AJ Styles, Antonio Cesaro, Bray Wyatt, Brutus Magnus, Cedric Alexander, Jey Uso, Kofi Kingston, Mason Ryan, Santino Marella, Seth Rollins, The Miz

70:

69: Brodus Clay, CIMA, Conor O'Brian, Jeff Hardy, Jerry Lawler, Jimmy Uso, Joey Ryan, Martin Stone, Scott Lost, Xavier Woods

68: Adam Cole, Bo Dallas, Brian Cage-Taylor, Caleb Konley, David Otunga, Derrick Bateman, Jake Carter, Jinder Mahal, Mike Mondo, Rick Victor, Soldier Ant, Taz, Willie Mack, Yoshi Tatsu

67: BxB Hulk, Joseph Mercury, Kenneth Cameron, Mike Bennett, Richie Steamboat, Scott Reed, Steve Austin

66: Charlie Haas, Dante Dash, Leakee, Johnny Goodtime, Marcus Anthony, Player Uno, Primo, Robbie E, Sakamoto

65: El Generico, Rhett Titus, Titus O'Neil

64: Alexander Rusev, Big E Langston, Corey Graves, Crimson, Darren Young, DT Porter, James Bronson, Jesse James, Johnny Curtis, JTG, Natalya Neidhart, Rey Mysterio, Ryo Jimmy Saito, Sean Waltman, Tara, Val Kabious

63: Eric Young, Grizzly Redwood, Harlem Bravado, Percy Watson, Peter Avalon, Ricardo Rodriguez, Sarah Stock, Uhaa Nation

62 : Abraham Washington, B-Boy, Camacho, John Laurinaitis, Kid Kash, Sin Cara, Sofia Cortez, Susumu Yokosuka, Tyson Kidd

61: Christopher Daniels, CJ Parker, Gamma, Robbie T

60: Andy Ridge, Mickie James

59: Aiden English, Brad Allen, Colin Cassady, Hulk Hogan, Kenny King, Leo Kruger, Matt Striker, Mr. Ernesto Osiris, Tamina Snuka, Winter

58: AR Fox, Austin Draven, Byron Saxton, Erik Rowan, Garrett Dylan, Trish Stratus

57: Alex Shelley, Briley Pierce, Hunico, Jason Jordan

56: Ahtu, Jay Lethal, Lancelot Bravado, Muhammed Lawal, Rocky Romero, Scorpio Sky, The Great Khali

55:

54: Caprice Coleman, Evan Bourne, Famous B, Gail Kim, Garrett Bischoff, Jigsaw, Matt Jackson, Mr. McMahon, Pinkie Sanchez, Tenille, Zema Ion

53: Dusty Rhodes, John Silver, Mike Dalton, Paige, Prince Nana, Samuray Del Sol

52:

51: Aksana, Brad Maddox, Eve Torres, Nick Rogers

50: Trent Barreta

49: Alex Reynolds, Audrey Marie, Bret Hart, Chris Sabin, Chuck Taylor, Ricochet

48: Jesse Sorensen, Layla El, Madison Rayne

47: Alex Silva, Bob Evans, Hector Guerrero, Kaitlyn, Nick Jackson

46: AJ Lee, Alicia Fox, Eli Cottonwood, PAC

45: Kazarian

44: Adam Mercer, Archibald Peck, Derek Foore, Genki Horiguchi

43:

42: Raquel Diaz, Shane Hagadorn

41: Johnny Yuma, Kelly Kelly, Miss Tessmacher

40:

39: Rosita

38: Mike Cruz

37: Eric Bischoff

36: Candice LeRae, Matt Taven, Naomi Night, Rosa Mendes, Zokre

35:

34: Masato Yoshino

33: Christina Von Eerie

32: Excalibur, Ray Rosas

31: Dragon Kid

30: Ryan Taylor

29: Chris Kadillak, Flip Kendrick, Louis Lyndon

28: Buggy

27: Velvet Sky

26: Hornswoggle

25: Stalker Ichikawa

24: Truth Martini

23:

22: Caylee Turner

21: Player Dos

18: Reby Sky

17:

16: Larry Dallas, Stephanie McMahon

15: Phoenix Star

14: Brooke Hogan

13:

12:

11: Paul Heyman, Summer Rae

10: Jim Cornette

9: Vickie Guerrero

8: Cameron Lynn

7: Theodore Long, Jeremy Borash

6: Linda McMahon

5:

4: Lilian Garcia

TNA Spoiler:

Zema Ion is the X-Division champion

I don't know if I congratulated you in other threads but this is a great work.

I just want to know if Jim Neidhart's Charisma is a typo?