ModestATT

Some people in ROH and some free agents still need to be adjusted along with the TNA adjustments, like AJ Styles for example, still being at 90 overness.

The overness' are a lot more realistic now, great job Bill.

Gunner does not deserve a charisma decrease, idk what it is atm, but over the past month or so he's been x10 better on the mic than he ever has been.

please add Kane and CM Punk as a tag team..they were tag partners and chase for tag team championship during ECW brand before..thank you

No. you said the same thing last month, no more unnecessary tag teams, relationships etc.

If you want it added, add it yourself it's not difficult.

Rename Jeff Hardy to Willow, change his gimmick to Weirdo.

If Austin, Rock, Punk have their charisma at 100 and the Unique gimmick then I think that Hulk Hogan deserves to have his charisma at 100 and the Unique gimmick too.

I give you the unique gimmick thing, depending on how you look at it, but he does not have the charisma of CM Punk, no one does tbh, but Austin, Rock and Cena are the only people close, Hogan should have high 80's IMO, back in the day he may have been charismatic but not now, where as Austin and Rock are still very charismatic.

Bill, are you going to definitely be doing the overness overhaul for March? I've held off from playing this month because there's no point if I'm going to start a new one a few weeks later.

This is what I think people's overness needs to be if we change the game to be realistic overness' to WWE's,

WWE

Lower Alberto Del Rio's Overness to 84

Lower Big Show's Overness to 87

Lower CM Punk's Overness to 95 (I think he was 97 when he was WWE Champion, he isn't as over now.)

Lower Bad News Barrett's Overness to 79

Lower Bray Wyatt's Overness to 83

Lower Cody Rhodes' Overness to 80

Lower Dean Ambrose's Overness to 85

Lower Dolph Ziggler's Overness to 85

Lower Goldust's Overness to 82

Lower Mark Henry's Overness to 88

Lower Rey Mysterio's Overness to 84

Lower Rob Van Dam's Overness to 86

Lower Ryback's Overness to 81-83 (Unless he's really over on Smackdown, I don't watch it much.)

Lower Seth Rollins' Overness to 82-83

Lower The Miz's Overness to 82

Lower AJ Lee's Overness to 79-80

Lower Big E Langston's Overness to 73-75 (Again unless he's over on Smackdown)

Lower Brie Bella's Overness to 68-70

Lower Brodus Clay's Overness to 65-68 (Unless he's over on Smackdown)

Lower Curtis Axel's Overness to 73-75

Lower Damian Sandow's Overness to 77-78

Lower Darren Young's Overness to 65 (Unless he's over on Smackdown)

Lower David Otunga's Overness to 62-63

Lower Diego's Overness to 63

Lower Drew McIntyre's Overness to 62-63

Lower Evan Bourne's Overness to 62-65

Lower Fandango's Overness to 77-78

Lower Fernando's Overness to 63

Lower Heath Slater's Overness to 64-65

Lower Jack Swagger's Overness to 78-79

Lower Jey Uso's Overness to 76-77

Lower Jimmy Uso's Overness to 76-77

Lower Jinder Mahal's Overness to 59-60

Lower Justin Gabriel's Overness to 62-63

Lower Kaitlyn's Overness to 68-70

Lower Kofi Kingston's Overness to 77-78

Lower Layla's Overness to 62-64

Lower Natalya's Overness to 65-66

Lower Nikki Bella's Overness to 68-70

Lower R-Truth's Overness to 76-78

Lower Santino Marrella's Overness to 79

Lower Sin Cara's Overness to 70-72

Lower Tensai's Overness to 62-65

Lower The Great Khali's Overness to 67-68

Lower Titus O'Neil's Overness to 69-70

Lower Zack Ryder's Overness to 62-65

Lower Aksana's Overness to 61

Lower Alex Riley's Overness to 55-56

Lower Alicia Fox's Overness to 62

Lower Curt Hawkins' Overness to 55-57

Lower Ezekiel Jackson's Overness to 60

Lower Hunico's Overness to 59

Lower JTG's Overness to 56

Lower Tyson Kidd's Overness to 67-69

Raise Xavier Wood's Overness to 55-60

Lower Yoshi Tatsu's Overness to 53

Raise Batista's Overness to 94

Raise Billy Gunn's Overness to 79-80

Lower Brad Maddox's Overness to 75

Lower Bret Hart's Overness to 93

Lower Eva Marie's Overness to 51-54

Lower Finlay's Overness to 67-69

Raise Jesse James' Overness to 80-81

Lower Joey Mercury's Overness to 55-57

Lower Kevin Nash's Overness to 87

Lower Lillian Garcia's Overness to 61-63

Lower Linda McMahon's Overness to 65

Raise Renee Young's Overness to 65

Raise Stephanie McMahon's Overness to 91

Lower Theodore Long's Overness to 71-73

Lower Triple H's Overness to 96-97

Lower Trish Stratus' Overness to 81-82

Lower Vickie Guerrero's Overness to 84

Remove Andrea Lynn? (Unless she's a regular on Smackdown, I haven't seen her appear for months)

Lower Camacho's Overness to 54-55

Lower El Torito's Overness to 63ish

Lower Hornswoggle's Overness to 66-68

Lower Ricardo Rodriguez's Overness to 74-76

Raise Summer Rae's Overness to early 60's

Lower Adrian Neville's Overness to 55-57

Raise Aiden English's Overness to 35-38

Raise Alexander Rusev's Overness to 40+ (Why is it so low?)

Lower Bo Dallas' Overness to 67-68

Lower CJ Parker's Overness to 30ish

Raise Colin Cassady's Overness to 25ish

Raise Enzo Amore's Overness to 38-40

Lower Mason Ryan's Overness to 50-55

TNA

Lower Al Snow's Overness to 65-68

Lower Austin Aries' Overness to 73

Lower Bobby Roode's Overness to 75

Lower Bully Ray's Overness to 79

Lower Chavo Guerrero's Overness to 68-69

Lower Chris Sabin's Overness to 64

Lower Christopher Daniels' Overness to 71

Lower Christy Hemme's Overness to 60

Lower Dixie Carter's Overness to 65

Lower Eric Young's Overness to 62

Lower Ethan Carter III's Overness to 54

Lower Gail Kim's Overness to 65

Lower Garrett Bischoff's Overness to early 50's

Lower Gunner's Overness to 63

Lower Hector Guerrero's Overness to late 40's

Lower Hernandez's Overness to early 60's

Lower James Storm's Overness to 72

Lower Jay Bradley's Overness to late 40's - early 50's

Lower Jeff Hardy's Overness to 88

Lower Jeremy Borash's Overness to 61

Lower Jessie Godderz's Overness to 53

Lower Joseph Park's Overness to 67-68

Lower Kazarian's Overness to 67-68

Lower Kenny King's Overness to late 50's

Lower Knux's Overness to early 50's

Lower Kurt Angle's Overness to 88-89

Lower Lei'D Tapa's Overness to 48-51

Lower Madison Rayne's Overness to 58-60

Lower Magnus' Overness to 67-68

Lower Miss Tessmacher's Overness to 55-56

Lower Mr. Anderson's Overness to 68-69

Lower Muhammad Lamal's Overness to early 30's

Lower ODB's Overness to 60-62

Lower Petey Williams' Overness to early 50's

Lower Quinton Jackson's Overness to early 60's

Lower Rob Terry's Overness to 47-49

Lower Robbie E's Overness to late 50's

Raise Sam Shaw's Overness to late 40's - early 50s'

Lower Samoa Joe's Overness to 72-73

Lower Sonjay Dutt's Overness to early 50's

Lower Sting's Overness to 91-92

Lower Taryn Tarrell's Overness to 52-54

Lower Taz's Overness to 69-70

Lower Tito Ortiz's Overness to mid 50's

Lower Velvet Sky's Overness to 62-63

Lower Wes Briscoe's Overness to mid 40's - late 40's

Lower Zema Ion's Overness to mid 50's

Obviously I'm sure some people are gonna disagree on some things but this is roughly what it should be if we were to make it more realistic, obviously we'd need to lower ROH and every other decent indy star's Overness too, I hope Bill considers making it more realistic for the March or later updates.

Instead of separately suggesting major changes, someone come up with a whole list for WWE TNA ROH and indie guys, with TNA Main Eventers being on level with WWE Midcarders (70-80 Overness) except for Sting Hardy and Angle who IMO should be 90 89 89, and ROH Main Eventers being TNA Upper Midcarders (60-70) and so on, and we can all debate realistically about it since it's a massive change no point arguing because someone is 1 overness lower than you think until everyone's sorted.

I think that the whole database needs to be looked at, I agree with most of the changes bar Batista being 96, no more than 94 for now IMO, I think that everyone in TNA needs to be lowered by 10(Main Eventers) - 15(Upper Midcarders, Midcarders and Lower Midcarders) bar Hardy Sting and Angle, and everyone in WWE bar most people who are 90+ need to be lowered by 5(Upper midcarders) - 10(Mid and Lower midcarders) and everyone in ROH by 10(Main Eventers and Upper Midcarders) - 20 (Mid, Lower mid, Opener etc) I wouldn't specifically lower everyone by them amounts but it's a lot of effort to completely go through everyone in the top 5ish promotions and completely overhaul their overness' but I think something has to change as if AJ Styles was signed by WWE on the game he would be around the same level as WWE Main Eventers which is ridiculous and the best way to counter act is would be to lower TNA to mid-high cult and ROH to low cult and modifying everyone's overness.

Please add CM Punk and Kane as Tag Team - They were quite regularly a team in numbers of tag team matches during their stint in WWE ECW Brand. Give the team experience around 20 maybe.

Thank You

Pointless addition to a modern day update, though.

Pointless you say? I use the current update but use wrestler data of previous updates (2004 untul 2012)..so... would like to have the current update tag team data with Kane and CM Punk in it

No one wants it added so just add it yourself. We're trying to get rid of the massive amount of unnecessary tag teams relationships workers etc as it is nevermind adding more.

TNA Spoilers

Davey Richards and Eddie Edwards will be debuting at Genesis, also a lot of other ROH talent is expected to debut on the show.

Jay Bradley has been released by TNA, I would also release anyone who's still with TNA who hasn't appeared in months because they're probably already released or are going to be soon (Sonjay Dutt, Petey Williams etc).

Since the limit of Talent for Staff is 100, we should make full use of it, I think Jim Ross is the highest at 87, in his Prime I would say he should be mid 90's, but for now I think if he still announced he would be 91ish, I think every Announcer or atleast every Announcer with 70+ Talent should get a +5 boost.

Remove all of the celebs that have made a couple of appearances over a few years? I'm sure there's atleast 100 and people are complaining about the size of workers as it is, it's only minor but it would help.

Remove AJ Styles from TNA, Add Batista to WWE, pretty sure he hasn't been added yet, could be wrong.

Also give Edge the "legends" contract? there's a lot of people on open contracts with WWE who don't appear or do anything backstage as much as Edge.

Remove Bobby Heenan from the game?, I doubt we're gonna see him on tv ever again, and I think all of his stats should be 0 should he stay in the game.

Cheers Bill, is there anything you've implemented from EWR Stats and Scenarios in Theory and Practice? Or is it all still under consideration, or are you not planning on implementing any of it at all?

Change Bully Ray's gimmick to Mysterious or Loner or something along those lines, I know he still is being a bit of a bully but he's mainly a mysterious loner at the moment.

Idk if it's already in their but give Matt Hardy and Reby Sky a love relationship, been together for a few years and I think they got married recently.

Lower Jeff Hardy's Charisma, even though I'm a big fan, anyone who uses their own chant to finish a promo is terrible on the mic.

Cena's promo on Raw was the greatest thing to happen since Punk winning the title, and I'm sure the only reason Punk has 100 Charisma is because of his shoot promo, which IMO Cena's recent promo was better.

Raise Cena's Charisma to 100, he should be on par with Punk especially over the past month or two Punk has gotten worse and Cena has gotten better

I cba to quote everything so I'll just reply to it all here.

On being raised/lowered by 1/2, isn't the aim of this topic to come up with the most accurate database each month? Bret Hart has been 94 for months now and I don't think he is as over with the current fans as he was 6 or so months ago, his reactions are no where near what they used to be when he used to appear every couple of months, same with all the other "legends" I suggested.

And if I think someone deserves an upgrade/degrade but not by much I suggest it by 1 or 2, if I suggested it by 3/4/5/6 people wouldn't agree.

Regarding Magnus

He already is the World Champion it's just not aired yet, I think he was 78 around 2-3 months ago because fans started to get behind him, since then he has dropped to around 76-77 but no one suggested it and it wasn't changed, so me saying upgrade to 79 is basically giving him a 2-3 Overness upgrade that wasn't changed from before, instead of just 1

Hernandez has been 74 for a lot of months now since him and Chavo don't tag anymore, and I just think fans don't care about him at all than 4-8 months ago, so I felt like he deserved to be lowered.

Joseph Park has been late 70's for a long time also, and his character is no where near as over as it used to be, the old Abyss would be early 80's, when Abyss makes appearances now the reactions are quite poor so I would say as Abyss 78-79 Overness as Parks 76-77 Overness.

Unless Swagger gets solid reactions on Smackdown, I don't think he should be above 80, I think Antonio Cesaro should be atleast 3 or 4 above him

and I think Colter should be 2 or 3 above him, which is why I suggested him to be 77-79.

Kane is a tough one but I don't see him being anywhere near 90 anymore so that's why I said 86, maybe 87 would be better for him.

And Randy Orton deserved an overness boost when he first became champion but after the past few weeks it's become boring and the fans have become bored of him, so I thought he should be lowered by 1.

Sin Cara gets a much better reaction than he has been before the past few weeks, so regardless of which Sin Cara it is that get's the upgrade, one of them deserve it.

I'm in no way attempting to start a Holy War, but what reasoning do you have for all those raises and lowers? I mean, you want to raise AJ's overness, but he's not even been on TV for a month (or longer?).

Again, I'm not attacking you. Just curious how you came up with those numbers.

Because I barely see suggestions for 3/4 of the people I suggested, I've said to raise AJ's Overness to 90 2 or 3 months in a row now, and the other ones are workers people generally don't care about and just don't edit for 6 months so I thought I'd suggest changes to them, half of the changes are by 1 or 2 anyway so it's nothing major

Raise AJ Styles' Overness to 90

Raise Bobby Roode's Overness to 88

Lower Bully Ray's Overness to 89

Lower Chavo Guerrero's Overness to 75-76

Christy Hemme should have the same or be one overness off Jeremy Borash

Raise Dixie Carter's Overness to 75?

Raise Ethan Carter III's Overness to 65

Raise Gail Kim's Overness to 71-72

Raise Gunner's Overness to 70-71

Lower Hernandez's Overness to 72-73

Raise Jay Bradley's Overness to 61-62

Lower James Storm's Overness to 83

Lower Jeff Hardy's Overness to 91

Raise Jessie Godderz's Overness to 65

Lower Joseph Park's Overness to 76-77

Lower Kenny King's Overness to 69-70

Raise Kurt Angle's Overness to 91

Raise Lei'D Tapa's Overness to 55-60

Raise Magnus Overness to 79

Raise Manik's Overness to 66-67

Lower Mr. Anderson's Overness to 80

Lower Rob Terry's Overness to 62-63

Raise Robbie E's Overness to 68-69

Raise Rockstar Spud's Overness to 45-55

Raise Sam Shaw's Overness to 40-50

Lower Samoa Joe's Overness to 84

Make Sonjay Dutt and Petey William's Overness the same or one off

Lower Zema Ion's Overness to 67

Lower AJ Lee's Overness to 81-82

Lower Alberto Del Rio's Overness to 87-88

Lower Antonio Cesaro's Overness to 83

Raise Big E Langston's Overness to 77-78

Lower Big Show's Overness to 92

Raise Brad Maddox's Overness to 75-77

Raise Bray Wyatt's Overness to 84

Lower Bret Hart's Overness to 93

Lower CM Punk's Overness to 96/97

Lower Cody Rhodes' Overness to 83-84

Lower Curtis Axel's Overness to 76

Lower Damian Sandow's Overness to 80

Raise Daniel Bryan's Overness to 96

Raise Darren Young's Overness to 76

Lower Dolph Ziggler's Overness to 86-87

Raise Erick Rowan and Luke Harper's Overness to 73-76

Lower Evan Bourne's Overness to 68-71

Raise Ezekiel Jackson's Overness to 65-68

Raise Fandango's Overness to 79

Raise Goldust's Overness to 84-85

Lower Jack Swagger's Overness to 77-79

Lower Jerry Lawler's Overness to 85-86

Raise Jimmy & Jey Uso's Overness to 77-80

Lower Justin Gabriel's Overness to 70

Lower Kaitlyn's Overness to 74

Lower Kane's Overness to 86

Lower Kevin Nash's Overness to 86-87

Lower Kofi Kingston's Overness to 79

Lower Mark Henry's Overness to 89

Lower Mr. McMahon's Overness to 95

Lower Paul Heyman's Overness to 87

Lower Randy Orton's Overness to 93

Raise Renee Young's Overness to 60-65

Lower Ric Flair's Overness to 95

Make Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose the same Overness with Seth Rollins 2 Overness lower.

Lower R-Truth's Overness to 80

Lower Ryback's Overness to 86-87

Raise Santino Marella's Overness to 79-80

Lower Shawn Michael's Overness to 96

Lower Sheamus' Overness to 88-89

Raise the current Sin Cara's Overness to 76

Raise Stephanie McMahon's Overness to 89-90

Raise Titus O'Neill's Overness to 76-77

Lower Trish Stratus' Overness to 84

Raise Tyson Kidd's Overness to 70-72

Lower Vickie Guerrero's Overness to 87

Lower Wade Barrett's Overness to 82-83

Lower Zeb Colter's Overness to 79-80