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And the argument of look at her NXT matches are irrelevant to me. I don't care about a random match that she had 10 months ago in Tampa. She's not in NXT anymore. Not wrestling that roster. Not wrestling in front of that small crowd. She is in the big time and is the Divas champion. And so far, is flopping. Is she talentless? No, but she's not going to be the greatest female of all time either.

But Batista's charisma should be higher because he did a good promo in 2005, right?

Suggesting stats for someone and then immediately saying that you can't be bothered watching matches that would justify the stats she has pretty much instantly invalidates your opinion, in my eyes.

As for my trolling comment, it's possible to suggest changes without challenging people to an argument or calling people "marks".

Bryan being 5 points above Batista in charisma is stupid because his promos are nothing but average. Batista didn't had any mic time since returning other than saying a few words. You can look at Payback and Bryan's promo and you can see that the guy doesn't deserve more than 80 in charisma.

Like I said, I don't care about what she did in NXT because that is irrelevant. If we go by that then up Bryan's technical to 100, brawl to 95 because of his days in ROH.

What did she do to deserve the greatest female of all time? You ain't nothing but a mark.

And the argument of look at her NXT matches are irrelevant to me. I don't care about a random match that she had 10 months ago in Tampa. She's not in NXT anymore. Not wrestling that roster. Not wrestling in front of that small crowd. She is in the big time and is the Divas champion. And so far, is flopping. Is she talentless? No, but she's not going to be the greatest female of all time either.

less trolling? She's the most overrated diva on the roster. She doesn't deserve the stats that she has. She didn't showed anything to deserve them.

Lower Paige's brawl to 48, speed to 36, technical to 43 and charisma to 56. (her marks talked her up like she's the best ever. She's boring. Bland. Her wrestling skills which her marks talked up are average. Nothing about her makes her stand out other than her pale skin and annoying scream) .

NOW COME AT ME YOU INDY MARKS!!! Just because she learned her craft in the indyz it doesn't mean that you need to overrate her wrestling skills above every diva on the roster and put stupid numbers for stats.

TNA is just a glorified indy company with a national TV station. Put ROH at Cult - 83 and TNA at National 35.

Also, the TV Networks ratings are shit. There's no way that TNA gets more ratings than SmackDown. Why don't we up Syfy's potential audience and drop Spikes?

A nWo one would be cool.

this is like saying that I need to be quiet about how Obama runs Murica and I can't start an argument if I disagree. This is communistic ffs.

for giving me a warning for abusive behavior but to the guy that called me a twat no. at fucking asskissers like Mkpunk hitting the Like button like there's no tomorrow.

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You see... this is what i'm talking about. This happens on every damn forum and if you go to let's say Wrestling forum then the mods and admins are in cahoots with users that think that they're special because they paid 10 bucks to be lifetime premium members and are starting to pick fights with the average joe and the ones that didn't paid are getting banned if they're going to reply with something that they don't like. Just like in WWE or any other shit from the world when you're being held down because you don't have money and you don't kiss the right ass.

Smackdown 2005 is hardly a great measuring stick, is it.

The whole point of this thread is to suggest changes, and the main changes are probably the stats so what's the problem with him suggesting a bunch? If Bill doesn't want to do the changes then he wont do them, and hippie can do them himself. If the mentality is that you should go change everything yourself before even suggesting Bill to change them then this thread existing is pointless other than Bill to do all the changes himself based off of his own opinion and for no one to make a post other than saying thank you for the update.

Nobody criticized him making suggested stat changes, Rich just asked him for his reasoning behind them.

He could have suggest other stats. That's how people did in other update threads.

What makes Batista charismatic exactly? I totally get it in 2005 but if anything based on his performance since he returned it should be lowered

If we go like that then why should Austin or Rock have 100 charisma? Their promos these days aren't on par with the ones in the Attitude Era.

In the context of EWR, yes, that's exactly what it means.

still Bryan isn't better than Batista. We can look at his promos back in 2010 when he was heel and probably the best work of his career.

He's the WWE Champion, and the most consistently popular star on WWE TV, I hardly think it's fair, or logical, to suggest that the people who like him are "indy marks".

I didn't said anything about his speed stat but you and others care enough about this 12 year old tex sim to have arguments with me.

2) You're actually saying that Daniel Bryan has never cut a good promo? lol.

Tell me one good promo that he did. Exactly... he's average at the mic and his promos are too.

If Bryan's overrated, why not lower his stat rather than increase everyone else's?

Because indy marks are going to have a meltdown just like with Punk last month.

As for Batista's charisma, has he cut a good, let alone great, promo since he returned? Hell, in most Evolution segments he's lucky to even get the mic. When I saw him last week he even joked that having a live mic in his hand is his worst nightmare. He might have been charismatic enough in 2005 to justify increasing his charisma stat. But it's not 2005.

on these forums is just like in real life. You have money then you stay one foot forward than the average joe.

Offering up subjective stat changes does even less for these updates as people who you suggest "do nothing", it creates what can be seen as unecessary work for the creator, Bill, as a person who has created stat updates for other Ryland games I know full well how a pile of uneccessary changes is annoyiong and soul destroying.

I merely asked why you think these stats should be changed, there must be a reason why you think Batista and Orton are more charasmatic than the stats are currently, if somebody asks you, please justify it.

Your attitude stinks, improve it or you will be gone.

Currently Batista is at 81 and Daniel Bryan is at 86. How do you explain that? Batista is one of the most charismatic guys in the roster and of all time and if he wasn't then he wouldn't have been the most over guy in 2005 and draw huge gates. Why should Bryan be 5 points above him? Because he's a overrated indy darling? If I think about it then 88 is still too low for Batista. Orton is more charismatic than Bryan too.

Your attitude stinks as long as you're not a donator. There are many donators that have shitty troll attitudes but I don't see you or any other mod saying how their attitude stinks.

when did Regal had a match? 2-3 years ago against another indy darling by the name of Dean Ambrose? He's no where near the 90 technical stat.

Getting sick of anybody who comes on this thread and starts picking up fights but they don't do anything for these updates. Why Regal should have technical at 90? He didn't had a match in years and he's 50 years old which means that his prime was 20 years ago.

They didn't had the right stats. What the fuck are you people bitching so much? I didn't see you coming when that Y2Jfan or other jabronies suggested their stats on the last pages.

Sin Cara should be added to AAA though he has not been given a proper name.

Misterioso.

Actually according to promotion for the next AAA taping he is going to be called Mistico (at least for the time being) so that would be his name. FYI, he couldn't be Misterioso, that is an existing wrestler in the game that is the uncle of Misterioso Jr/II

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0525/576362/beyond-the-ring-update/

actually is El Misterioso.

Sin Cara should be added to AAA though he has not been given a proper name.

Misterioso.

Mercury is not the only one that should be removed from the Workers list and added to the Staff list. Byron Saxton, Dusty Rhodes, Finlay, Lawler, Mickey Keegan, Robbie Brookside, Ryan Katz, William Regal, Lilian Garcia and Linda McMahon (why wasn't she deleted from the Workers list and added to the Staff one is beyond me.)

God, you are insufferable.

Yeah, insufferable because I hurt Punk marks feelings. He's good (GOD for you) in this era of mediocrity where there isn't anyone who could challenge him besides Cena in the charisma level. But don't you worry because I'll be living this forum where all of the donators get a free pass for trolling and bullying average Joes and after that getting Likes from other asskisser trolls.

I don't think it's particularly productive to the conversation to dismiss other people's assessments with "Y'ALL A BUNCH OF MARKS, WHATEVZ," either. And I'm saying this as someone who does not care much at all for CM Punk.

Punk marks think that he's the second coming of Steve Austin and don't you dare to say anything about him. The guy is clearly not one of the best when it comes to charisma. He's just a shark of greatness in a sea of mediocrity and that's why they say that he's one of the most charismatic superstars of all time. I don't hate Punk but this is the reality.

OK:

wut are you on about, Dusty Rhodes is the literally the embodiment of an Old School Face.

Dusty was an American Icon during his prime, his feud with the Four Horsemen in NWA was legendary and he had probably the most unique interview style and charisma.

I wouldn't lower Punk's charisma to anything below 95, I think that 91 is a bit low for one of the most acclaimed talkers of this generation.

I'm not the only one that said that Punk's charisma should be around that number. He isn't that great like you marks like to think.

I don't think that Piper's charisma should be lowered, he is still great when he appears every now and again to host Piper's Pit.

Like I said in the April update thread, he was good 30 years ago when he was on coke but nowadays he's just a drunk old fool who rambles on the mic. Ric Flair proved at RAW that he isn't THAT good anymore too.

I think that Hogan's charisma is fine as is at 95, but if the general consensus is that it should be increased I won't argue against it.

Hulk Hogan is more charismatic than Punk and if it wasn't like that then he wouldn't have been able to change the business 2 times and people taking him seriously. Just because he did that whole 'Silverdome' shit at WrestleMania doesn't mean that he isn't one if not the most charismatic superstar of all time. Triple H and Shawn Michaels are at 98 ffs.