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Ivelisse Velez is the new SHINE champion.

Remove Ivelisse from Valkyrie and turn her face.

Add Serena to Valkyrie and turn her heel.

Shocker turned heel in CMLL.

I love the idea Mike Jones, I've been wanting to suggest something similar myself. I'm 100% behind it

Looking at some of the more well known indie guys here are the overness changes that are needed in my opinion;

Icarus (Lower to 52)

Joey Ryan (Lower to 58)

Kevin Steen (Lower to 70)

Jay Lethal (Lower to 68)

Tony Nese (Lower to 53)

Tommaso Ciampa (Increase to 55)

Truth Martini (Lower to 52)

Jay Bradley (Lower to 51)

Jay Briscoe (Lower to 68)

Mark Briscoe (Lower to 67)

Delirious (Lower to 62)

Alex Koslov (Increase to 51)

Homicide (Lower to 65)

Eddie Kingston (Lower to 62)

Rhett Titus (Lower to 46)

Ar Fox (Lower to 54)

Cheerleader Melissa (Lower to 57)

Jake Manning (Increase to 42)

Lince Dorado (Increase to 40)

Rich Swann (Increase to 54)

Crossbones (Increase to 38)

Caleb Konley (Lower to 40)

Larry Dallas (Lower to 42)

Harlem Bravado (Increase to 48)

Lancelot Bravado (Increase to 48)

Roderick Strong (Lower to 62)

Shane Matthews (Lower to 44)

Scott Parker (Lower to 44)

Dasher Hatfield (Lower to 42)

Adam Page (Increase to 38)

Colt Cabana (Lower to 69)

Mike Quackenbush (Lower to 60)

Hallowicked (Lower to 52)

UltraMantis Black (Lower to 52)

Jigsaw (Increase to 54)

The Shard (Increase to 42)

Petey Williams (Lower to 58)

Davey Richards (Lower to 69)

Jesse Neal (Lower to 43)

Jesse Sorensen (Lower to 42)

TaDarius Thomas (Increase to 42)

Derek St. Holmes (Increase to 28)

Scarlett Bordeaux (Increase to 41)

Josh Raymond (Increase to 39)

Drew Gulak (Lower to 54)

Colin Delaney (Lower to 42)

Claire Lynch (Lower to 43, if not delete from data all together)

Brian Kendrick (Lower to 64)

Shane Strickland (Lower to 44)

Uhaa Nation (Increase to 48)

Johnny Gargano (Lower to 60)

Vin Gerard (Lower to 40)

Dan Maff (Lower to 44)

Veda Scott (Increase to 39)

Amasis (Lower to 46)

Ophidian (Lower to 46)

Jonny Storm (Lower to 39)

Michael Modest (Lower to 40)

Vic Grimes (Lower to 39)

New Jack (Lower to 68)

Shingo (Increase to 58)

Akira Tozawa (Increase to 56)

Gangrel (Lower to 58)

Jinsei Shinzaki (Lower to 57)

Dave Crist (Lower to 42)

Jake Crist (Lower to 42)

Tylene Buck (Lower to 37)

Bob Evans (Lower to 39)

B-Boy (Lower to 43)

Brian Cage (Increase to 46)

Metal Master (Lower to 42)

Willie Mack (Increase to 43)

Looking at the CZW roster most of their overness' look very inflated but I don't watch the product enough (Maybe twice a year) to give suggestions.

Deactivate Akuma and YAMATO

Deactivate Great Outdoorsmen

Deactivate The Hellions

Deactivate Create-A-Tag-Team

Deactivate Bad Breed

Deactivate Swi$$ Money Holding II

Deactivate TakaYama

Deactivate Tozawa and BxB Hulk

Deactivate Neo Solar Temple

Deactivate Spectral Envoy

Make Super Calo's gimmick Luchadore.

Rename Tozawa and BxB Hulk to Hulk+Akira

I think Brian Kendrick would be more over than New Jack. New Jack was super over in ECW but never really moved to the WWE or WCW world. Maybe put him on the same level as Gangrel because Gangrel was kinda over in WWE but likely get the same pop as New Jack in WWE.

I would also argue to make Quacks 55 over.

The last argument I say is to swap Shingo and Tozawa's overness. IMO Tozawa is more known on the indies (due to more recent and higher profile appearances than Shingo.

WARNING: HUGE POST

There have been a handful of proposed WWE changes, but I think there needs to be a fairly major overhaul on overness.

I feel like a lot of them get inflated for whatever reason, but a lot of WWE talent are not nearly as over as their overness would lead you to believe. I think the problem is that the stats are increased without keeping in mind that they should be looked at in relation to other's overness. Just my opinion obviously, but just looking at the overness numbers, it seems like people are just increasing them by only looking at that particular wrestler and not looking at what that number means next to someone else that has a number close to it.

Additionally, the more people that are at that level diminishes the significance of it. There should be more of a difference between the most and least over wrestler on the card, you know? What does it matter if Dean Ambrose is at 86 (just using this number to make the point...haven't looked at his specific number yet) if Kofi Kingston is at 83 (same)? In real life, Dean Ambrose plays a much more significant role on the major shows, but if you just look at the numbers, it seems as if Kofi is at that same level and in-game could easily be pushed as such just as Dean Ambrose could be. That does not accurately reflect real life because Kofi Kingston would take much more effort to be received at even the level of a Dean Ambrose. His overness should reflect the level of difficulty it would take for fans to buy him at an uppercard level.

BTW, I think Mancuerda's 1998 scenario is a good example of distinctive overness levels where the midcard guys are significant behind the main eventers. I am trying to use his distinctiveness as a guideline.

Here's a list of the changes I would make:

*spoiler tags are for the reasoning behind them...I assume it would be easier for Bill1996 to compile the potential stat changes first without having to wade through a bunch of other text and then go back to it*

Lower Alicia Fox's overness to 62

She is virtually on the exact same level as Aksana who is actually a couple points behind her for some reason.

Lower Antonio Cesaro's overness to 76

Lower Brie Bella's overness to 70

Honestly the divas just aren't that over in general compared to their male counterparts, and the Bella's are less over as faces than they were heels.

Lower Christian's overness to 82

No idea what type of reaction he would get with the fans since he hasn't been a regular on TV for a while so I could see not wanting to change his overness just yet, but I do not see him being too much more over than an Alberto Del Rio nor pushed any higher up the card.

Lower Darren Young's overness to 64

Maybe he had a little buzz when he first came out publicly, but WWE did nothing with the PTPs really and it has since died off. Should not be any higher than the C-show regular level.

Lower David Otunga's overness to 56

Hasn't been seen in about a year. Shouldn't be any higher than other guys who have been MIA like Camacho.

Lower Evan Bourne's overness to 57 (absolute max, could be lower)

Another wait-and-see guy and it looks like he was lowered a bit recently, but how much are we expecting from a guy who hasn't been on TV since January 2012?

Lower Hunico's overness to 56

Should be on par with Camacho.

Lower JBL's overness to 82

He's seen as just an announcer now. Should be on par with Booker T. They're both guys who probably would be more over if they weren't regulars.

Lower Luke Harper's overness to 72

72 actually seemed about right for Erick Rowan. The Wyatt's are over as a unit, but these guys don't have any name value on their own nor have been featured on their own as much as the other teams, meaning all their heat is in relation to Bray unlike the other teams who at least stand on their own.

Lower Titus O'Neil's overness to 64

Lower Tyson Kidd's overness to 60

Lower Zack Ryder's overness to 60

Additional WWE notes:

- Alisha Ceraso has a corporate job with WWE now so she should be removed as a worker and moved to staff (I would butcher any staff stats so I cannot provide anything that would be accurate)

- Add Bob Backlund to an open contract.

- Lower Chris Jericho's overness to 95 as well. He is a legitimate star, but he was not a ratings or buyrate mover on the level of Brock Lesnar, for example, last time he was around. I perceive him is on the same legendary level as Ric Flair, Bret Hart or Mick Foley

- Add DDP to an open contract. Idk if he officially has a legend's contract, but he is often a talking head and keeps getting brought in for the old school stuff. More regular than someone like Rikishi.

- Finlay should be moved from wrestler to staff (road agent). I know there was a debate about this type of thing before but I'm just throwing it out there since it seems at least while he is with WWE he will not be wrestling in any capacity.

- Hunico's position should be lowered to a developmental deal. Same as Camacho.

- Add Jim Duggan to an open contract.

- Joey Mercury should be moved from wrestler to staff (trainer). Hasn't wrestled since 2010. No since in keeping him as a wrestler if we're shooting for realism. No one is jumping to re-add Sgt. Slaughter as a worker, for example, even though he has wrestled more recently.

- John Laurinaitis should be moved from wrestler to staff (road agent). Once again if we're not going to re-add all the guys that may make an appearance like Sgt. Slaughter or Ted DiBiase than it's just a unnecessary double standard and he should be removed.

- Kevin Nash should be removed. Legend deals are iffy, but I think the only one's that should stay are ones that do regular stuff like the panels or appear on the Old School Raws.

- Rob Van Dam should be removed. Same as Chris Jericho he isn't officially under contract as of today (I wouldn't count out either returning at the Rumble is why I say that but until that happens I think we should plan for them to be removed).

- Robbie Brookside should be moved from wrestler to staff(?). Idk much about whether he still takes indy booking, but I am under the presumption that if you are working for WWE you aren't working anywhere else, and he has yet to work a match in WWE.

- Add Roddy Piper to an open contract.

- Add Ron Simmons to an open contract.

- Ryan Katz and Sara Del Rey should be moved from wrestler to staff(?). See: Robbie Brookside.

Alicia Fox should be at 63, she is just above Aksana.

Though someone backstage is high on her.

Antonio Cesaro should be at 78. Swagger barely gets any heat on his own.

Brie Bella should be at about 72. Total Divas got her decently over.

Chris Jericho gets more of a reaction than Batista so I would make them equals at 96.

Christian's overness is fine as is. The crowds respond to him when he is active.

Darren Young should be at 66.

Evan Bourne should be at 68 and no lower. The guy is over because fans know him for the shooting star press.

Hunico notes:

Hunico is the new Sin Cara so do NOT demote him and make his overness 74.

JBL still gets fan chants during boring matches (not even Post Mania) so I would make him at about 85.

Luke Harper should be at 73 if Rowan is at 72. He does have notice from the indies.

Nikki Bella should be at about 70.

Rob Van Dam is under contract but is part-time and works three months on, three months off.

Titus O'Neil should be at 68 as he is seemingly getting the overness out of the two PTP.

Tyson Kidd should be at 62.

Zack Ryder should be at 64 IMO. He can get an OK fan pop similar to a Koko B. Ware but not many people take him serious when it comes to a match.

The legend contract is touchy because some do show up semi-regularly, others don't.

I would not switch Brookside, Katz, Laurenitis and Del Rey to staff, they are young enough to return to the indies if they are let go. Compare that to Finlay who would likely be retiring into month two. I am not sure on Mercury. I would agree on Ceraso being removed. I think she works Admin with WWE so just get rid of her altogether.

James Bronson (Phil Friedman) was released by WWE back in September.

Rename to PJ Friedman

TNA Spoilers

Davey Richards and Eddie Edwards will be debuting at Genesis, also a lot of other ROH talent is expected to debut on the show.

where did you hear that last part?

I know its still a month away and we don't know how it will work out yet, how will the WWE Network affect the game? I mean should it be included in the networks, and should NXT be added to the list of WWE shows since it will be on the network? Also how will having the PPV's on the network effect the PPV's in general? Just a bit curious on thoughts on this from people.

I agree that it is muddy but I think it should remain PPV for now due to the fact that besides DirectTV (who have always been stingy with wrestling) no cable provider has rumored to drop the PPVs in light of the Network.

If anything I would see WWE Network as a new network in the game.

If NXT/Superstars are airing solely on the network, it should definitely be added. As for ratings and stuff like that I'm not too sure.

IMO the Pay-Per-Views should stay as they are right now unless something really drastic happens.

Two problems

1. NXT is a developmental program
2. NXT airs the same night as Main Event currently which is impossible in the game. The only "free day" is Tuesday or Saturday (due to PPV)

Remove the Mad Blankey, Monster Express and The Scene stables

Change Amasis' gimmick to Comedy Character

Change Sugar Dunkerton to a face.

TNA Spoilers

Add the Davey Richards and Eddie Edwards to TNA, midcard faces

Austin Aries is the new X-Division Champion

Madison Rayne is the new Knockout's Champion

Sting lost a match which requires him to "Leave TNA" and the annual Sting is in negotiations with WWE rumors are circulating. Maybe remove him or leave him as he is and see what happens.

Isn't The Scene still active in FIP? I know it isn't with Scott Reed anymore but do the refer to Larry Dallas' stable of wrestlers (Johnny Vandal and The Bravados) as well as Trina Michaels?

I would personally leave Monster Express for the time being as Tozawa was active during the second to last DGUSA weekend (and I think went face) and Ricochet and Uhaa Nation are both active in DGUSA. Though since the Evolve merger, the Dragon Gate emphasis has gone down dramatically.

Rename The American Wolves to The Wolves.

I would leave Sting because TNA has a real habit of trolling the audience with contracts and firing angles.

In an update, I would remove Mini Park from the game because it is the deceased Gemelo Muerte II.

Also the Comando Negro and Canis Lupus I said to add previously (I think in November) Source: Luchawiki

You're right about the Scene, I just meant remove the DG-Evo version of the Stable. Change the members to Larry Dallas (Leader), Johnny Vandal, Harlem Bravado, Lanceolt Bravado and Trina Michaels.

If you think that Monster Express should be left in the game that's fine, leave the stable in for the time being, and see if there's any mention of the stable at the February DGUSA shows

Change Akira Tozawa to upper midcard in DG-Evo

Increase Ethan Page's overness to 32

Increase Rockstar Spud's overness to 60

Lower Bubba the Love Sponge's overness to 51

Add Ultimate Tiger as an Alter Ego to Extreme Tiger

Remove Alex Silva from OVW

Make Maxx Payne's gimmick Metalhead

Change Ruckus to midcard in CZW

Change Ronin's weight to Lightweight

Increase Horace Hogan's speed and technical to 5

Make Fishman's gimmick Luchadore

Change Tony Kozina to a lower midcarder

Make Chilly Willy's gimmick Fun Babyface

Remove Colt Cabana from CWFH, add to AAW

Increase Shane Haste's overness to 39

Increase Mikey Nicholls overness to 39

Increase Ronin's overness to 22

Increase Dino Winwood's overness to 20

Increase Top Gun Talwar's overness to 28

Increase Pete Gas, Rodney and Joey Abs overness to 39

Increase Brandon and Dustin Cluter's overness to 30

Increase Oman Tortuga and Diablo Santiago's overness to 25

Increase Babi Slymm's overness to 24

Increase D-Ray 3000's overness to 35

Increase Scott Lost's overness to 40

Increase C-Red's overness to 31

Check announcer for Mideon

Deactivate Gunner and Kid Kash

Deactivate Gunner and Storm

Deactivate Chavo and Bulldog

Deactivate Chavo and Hernandez

Deactivate Bischoff and Brisco

Deactivate Ashley Lane and Mia Yim

Deactivate The Beautiful People

Deactivate The 2nd Coming

Deactivate Gut Checkers

Deactivate DojoBros

Deactivate Strong Style Thugs

Deactivate Nightmare Violence Conn.

Deactivate Steen and Franky

Deactivate Shelley and Strong

Deactivate AR Fox and Sabu

Deactivate Richards and Romero

Deactivate Latin Liberators

Deactivate Latin Liberators II

Deactivate Chaos Wrestling Warriors

Deactivate BUSHI and Super Crazy

Deactivate La Fiebra Amarilla

Deactivate AKIRA and Liger

Deactivate Ola Amarilla III

Deactivate The Right

Deactivate The Right II

Deactivate Petey Williams and Sonjay

Deactiave WMD

Deactivate Extreme Tiger and KENTA

Deactivate KENTA and Ishimori

*EDIT*

Remove Keith Walker's touring commitment with Noah

Remove Harlem Bravado's touring commitment with Noah

Remove Lancelot Bravado's touring commitment with Noah

Give Shane Haste a touring commitment with Noah, remove from OVW and change to midcard

Give Mikey Nicholls a touring commitment with Noah, remove from OVW and change to midcard

Give Tony Nese a touring commitment with Toryumon

Add tag team Millenials with Eita and T-Hawk, 10 exp

Change Kalisto's Nationality to American

Make Matt Morgan a non-wrestler

Make Black Pearl's gimmick Family Guy

Deactivate Naptown Dragons

Deactivate Old and Younger

Lower Brian Jossie's overness to 62

Deactivate AR Fox and CIMA

Lower Hornswoggle's overness to 62

Increase Alexander Rusev's overness to 36

Deactivate Tough Crazy Bastards

Deactivate White Trash

Change Curt Hawkin's gimmick to Old School Heel

Change Bobby Roode's Primary finisher to Roode Bomb (impact) and secondary finisher to Arm Trap Crossface (submission)

Change the leader of The Gentlemen's Club to Chuck Taylor

Increase Marc Lloyd's age to 37

Increase Eric Freeze's age to 44, decrease wages to 10000

Increase Don Muraco's wages to 10000

Increase David Penzer's age to 48

Rename Jesse James to Road Dogg

Turn Billy Gunn and Road Dogg heel

Deactivate MVP and Benjamin

Deactivate Makabe and Koshinaka

Add Cerebus as an Alter Ego to Wolfie D

Add Jeff Jarrett to AAA, main eventer. Also Add Karen Jarrett to AAA, set her as Jeff Jarrett's manager. Make her gimmick Bitch. Both Heels.

WWE Spoiler:

Change Ryback's gimmick to crazy

With the (possible) change over from DG-EVO and FIP to WWN, that was why I said The Scene should stay in due to being active in FIP.

Tony Nese only did a single tour with Dragon Gate but no report of a return is coming. This is why I also didn't suggest Toryumon commitments for Mike Sydal, Flamita or Rocky Lobo (though not in the game.) If they return, sure.

I do agree with the LLUSA removal, they have only ran a handful of shows the last year.

IF DG-EVO and FIP are merged into WWN, Here's what the events should look like IMO,

Remove the Mad Blankey, Monster Express and The Scene stables

Change Amasis' gimmick to Comedy Character

Change Sugar Dunkerton to a face.

TNA Spoilers

Add the Davey Richards and Eddie Edwards to TNA, midcard faces

Austin Aries is the new X-Division Champion

Madison Rayne is the new Knockout's Champion

Sting lost a match which requires him to "Leave TNA" and the annual Sting is in negotiations with WWE rumors are circulating. Maybe remove him or leave him as he is and see what happens.

Isn't The Scene still active in FIP? I know it isn't with Scott Reed anymore but do the refer to Larry Dallas' stable of wrestlers (Johnny Vandal and The Bravados) as well as Trina Michaels?

I would personally leave Monster Express for the time being as Tozawa was active during the second to last DGUSA weekend (and I think went face) and Ricochet and Uhaa Nation are both active in DGUSA. Though since the Evolve merger, the Dragon Gate emphasis has gone down dramatically.

Rename The American Wolves to The Wolves.

I would leave Sting because TNA has a real habit of trolling the audience with contracts and firing angles.

In an update, I would remove Mini Park from the game because it is the deceased Gemelo Muerte II.

Also the Comando Negro and Canis Lupus I said to add previously (I think in November) Source: Luchawiki

there might be one problem though; with the roster being as big as it is, surely a promotion that size would have a mass exodus in the beginning if you're not playing as them, right?

I would cut down the Japanese talent though to fix that.

Akira Tozawa last appeared in July 2013

BxB Hulk last appeared in March 2012 (remove)

CIMA last appeared in July 2013

Eita last appeared in July 2013 (I would only remove because he is listed on the guest/alumni roster) (Also remove from AAA)

Genki Horiguchi last appeared in November 2012 (remove)

Masaaki Mochizuki last appeared in November 2013

Masato Yoshino last appeared in March 2012 (remove)

Naruki Doi last appeared in January 2012 (remove)

SHINGO last appeared in April 2013 (remove)

Susumu Yokosuka last appeared in November 2013

T-HAWK last appeared in July 2013 (I would only remove because he is listed on the guest/alumni roster)

YAMATO last appeared in July 2012 (remove)

So that's eight removals just from Dragon Gate talent.

Looking at FIP

Aaron Epic, David Ryze (most recent with WWN Live), Jonathan Gresham, Mr. Milo Beasley & Sugar Dunkerton last wrestled there in July so I think they can be removed.

Amasis last appeared in July so I think he could be removed.

Corey Hollis last wrestled there in March so I think he can be removed.

Homicide and Tommy Taylor last wrestled there in April so I think they can be removed.

Kenneth Cameron last wrestled there in August so I think he can be removed.

NOTE: Shane Strickland last wrestled in July but still wrestles for DGUSA and Evolve as of November so keep him

That's ten more removals from FIP, making 18 total removals for the promotion. That is on top of removing Scott Reed, Arik Cannon and Papadon as per my previous post.

Information on WCA: Wrestling Cares Association can be found here I would add Aaron Aguilera, Adam Cole, Adam Page, Adam Pearce, Alex Koslov, B-Boy, Brandon Gatson, Brian Cage, Cassidy Riley, Drake Younger, Johnny Gargano (over 2CW), Katarina Leigh, Kyle Mathews, Oliver John, Papadon, Pepper Parks, Rocky Romero, Ryan Taylor, Scorpio Sky, Shane Ballard, Shannon Ballard, Steve Anthony, Timothy Thatcher & Willie Mack.

Add Wesley David Richards, Dave Richards and Derek Billington for Davey Richards alter egos.

Add John Cahill for Eddie Edwards alter egos.

Wanted to comment real quick on this...

If we wanted to, FIP could be merged with DG-EVO without any issues of workers running out of promotions, at least that I saw after a quick analysis. The same cannot be said for Shine. That's one of the reasons that Shine and Shimmer were merged to begin with, so that it would free up a promotion slot for some workers that otherwise would have to be removed from a promotion.

So, if we are wanting to do this, I'd say, let's merge DG-EVO and FIP as three brand splits for WWN and leave Shine with Shimmer, at least for the time being. Shimmer/Shine's roster needs some work done anyway, so once that's done, we could re-evaluate how many workers would be affected by moving Shine to WWN, or leaving them with Shimmer.

TL/DR; If we're gonna do it, let's focus on moving FIP first and hold off a bit on Shine.

As for promotion additions/removals, there's a few in the data that I've been eyeing for removal that could free up a couple slots for new promotions to be added. Since I brought it up, here's the one's I have contemplated putting up for removal:

APW: Honestly, this promotion has always been a headache for me. Info seems to be hard to come by (at least for me) and is usually extremely outdated. With their owner, Roland Alexander, passing away a couple months back, I'm not even sure who is in charge of APW and their website seems to have gone away as well.

LLUSA: The last time their Facebook page was even updated was October. I'd be willing to bet that, even if they do still run, the ingame roster is horribly out of date. They have a website, but who knows when that was last updated?

-Bill

I agree with WWN as a promotion, especially with the interconnection. I would make Sal the owner and Satoshi Oji an unsackable road agent. I don't think we should DGUSA and Evolve as seperate brands. Most in those two float (to an extent FIP is as well.)

Roster:

Aaron Epic: FIP

Akira Tozawa: DGUSA

Amasis: FIP

Andrew Everett: EVOLVE/FIP

AR Fox: DGUSA/EVOLVE

Arik Cannon: Remove from DG-EVO

Biff Busick: EVOLVE

BxB Hulk: DGUSA

Caleb Konley: DGUSA/EVOLVE/FIP

Chasyn Rance: FIP

Chris Hero: DGUSA/EVOLVE

Christina Von Eerie: DGUSA

Chuck Taylor: DGUSA/EVOLVE

CIMA: DGUSA

Corey Hollis: FIP

David Starr: FIP

Derek Ryze: FIP

Drew Gulak: DGUSA/EVOLVE

Eddie Cruz: FIP

Eita: DGUSA

Genki Horiguchi: DGUSA

Gran Akuma: FIP

Harlem Bravado: DGUSA/EVOLVE/FIP

Homicide: Remove from FIP

Jake Manning: Remove from DG-EVO

Jay Rios: FIP

Jigsaw: DGUSA/EVOLVE

Johnny Gargano: DGUSA/EVOLVE

Johnny Vandal: FIP

Jon Davis: DGUSA/EVOLVE/FIP

Jon Williams: FIP

Jonathan Gresham: FIP

Kenneth Cameron: FIP

Lancelot Bravado: DGUSA/EVOLVE/FIP

Latin Dragon: FIP

Larry Dallas: DGUSA/EVOLVE/FIP

Leva Bates: FIP

Lince Dorado: FIP

Mark Angelosetti: EVOLVE

Masaaki Mochizuki: DGUSA

Masato Yoshino: DGUSA

Matt Jackson: DGUSA/EVOLVE

Mia Yim: DGUSA/EVOLVE/FIP

Mister Saint Laurent: FIP

Mr. Milo Beasley: FIP

Naoki Tanisaki/T-HAWK: DGUSA

Naruki Doi: DGUSA

Nick Jackson: DGUSA/EVOLVE

Orange Cassidy: DGUSA/EVOLVE

Papadon: Remove?

Pinkie Sanchez: FIP

Rich Swan: DGUSA/EVOLVE/FIP

Scott Reed: Remove from FIP

Shane Strickland: EVOLVE/FIP

SHINGO: DGUSA

Sugar Dunkerton: FIP

Susumu Yokosuka: DGUSA

Teddy Stigma: FIP

Tommy Taylor: FIP

Tony Nese: DGUSA/EVOLVE

Trent Barreta: EVOLVE/FIP

Trey Williams: FIP

Trina Michaels: FIP

Uhaa Nation: DGUSA/EVOLVE/FIP

YAMATO: DGUSA

As you can see there are a good number of FIP only talent and a decent number of DGUSA only guys (mainly from Japan) and the rest wrestle in two out of three if not all three.

Add a new stable with Tony Nese, Trent Barreta and Mia Yim called Premier Athlete Brand

What about adding Wrestling Cares Association as a promotion. A large number of the talent are in the game.

Remove Sonjay Dutt from TNA

For what it's worth, Sonjay worked the "Old School" One Night Only that was taped two weeks ago (airs next month, I believe).

For what it's worth, One Night Only is virtually fan fiction for TNA. Half of the guys brought in for the shows are inactive. 2 Cold Scorpio, Alissa Flash, Anthony Nese, Bob Holly, Brother Runt, Cassidy Riley, Chase Stevens, Devon Storm, El Mesias, Funaki, Homicide, Ivelisse, Jackie Moore, Jerry Lynn, Jillian Hall, Johnny Devine, Johnny Swinger, Little Guido, Matt Jackson, Nick Jackson, Rashad Cameron, Santana, Serena, Sinn, Slash, Sojo Bolt, Tommy Dreamer and Trinity have all appeared on One Night Onlys, only to not be used again by TNA in a sustained way. Other than Old School, Sonjay has not been on Impact or the REAL PPV in months so remove him from TNA.

Or just Sin Cara. The original will go back to being Mistico.

Then what do we name the original, Sin Cara I? CMLL owns Mistico so he won't be Mistico and judging by the bad blood with CMLL, he ain't going back.

Rename Hunico to Sin Cara II, word is going around that the original is done with WWE and wont be resigned when his deal is up in about a week.

Japan notes:

Akebono should have All Japan as his touring commitment.

D'Lo Brown should have All Japan as his touring commitment.

James Raidwen should have Zero-1 as his touring commitment.

Kenou should have Pro Wrestling NOAH as his touring commitment.

Namajague has returned to New Japan as El Desperado. Add New Japan as a touring commitment and rename him.

Sugi San should have Pro Wrestling NOAH as his touring commitment (he is Dual Force.)

TAKA Michinoku is no longer doing New Japan (besides FantasticaMania) so remove that from his touring commitments.

Takao Omori should have All Japan as his touring commitment.

Ultimo Dragon has jumped to All Japan so make that his touring commitment.

Thanks Bill

Thanks for the update Bill!

change Big E Langston's to face and his gimmick to Old School Face

change Shawn Spears' name to Tye Dillinger

change Leo Kruger's name to Adam Rose and his gimmick to Rock Star

change Shaun Rickers name to Slate Randall

change Batista's to face, his gimmick to Man Beast and make him a Main Eventer (every big wrestler that returns after that period of time comes back as a face)

add The Authority stable with Triple H as the leader, Stephanie McMahon, Kane, The Shield and Brad Maddox.

I think Leo Kruger is still on tap for NXTs in the can under that gimmick so I would wait and see.

I would wait on Batista's alignment until his debut. Itcould end up like Jericho when he returned seemingly as face only to never speak for the first few weeks...

Add Randy Orton and Vickie Guerrero to the Authority.

Thanks!

Change Ambrose gimmick to arrogant, Reigns to bad-ass

Add Bryan to Wyatts?

Axel and Ryback are known as RybAxel.

Lower US Title's image to 77

Funkadactyls are now with Woods and Truth

Deactivate Show & Henry and Mysterio & Sin Cara

Maybe remove Andrea Lynn from WWE, or even the game

Lower Jericho's overness a bit. 93-94 maybe?

Lower Kaitlyn's overness to 68

^^I would have Big E's gimmick set as Bad Ass or Man Beast

Rename Cameron Lynn to Cameron

JoJo Offerman to JoJo

Layla El to Layla

Naomi Night to Naomi

Natalya Neidhart to Natalya

This is an issue Bill runs into a lot (similar to the ______ AAA you see.) There are a lot of woman (not so much men) who just use first names. Namely Tiffany. There has been and continues to be a Tiffany in Mexico who used the name before Taryn Terrell ever did. Bill normally doesn't drop the last names of Divas because of the off chance there is another or will be another. For Instance, there is another Natalya in the game. I think the only divas he's done that with was Paige. Other than that they've kept their last name.

Remove Bobby Heenan from the game?, I doubt we're gonna see him on tv ever again, and I think all of his stats should be 0 should he stay in the game.

Even if Bobby Heenan didn't work again (And he doesn't have to because he has absolutely nothing to prove) why should all his stats be 0? I seriously doubt that because he hasn't managed full time for 10 years that he has suddenly lost all ability to do it. I like him in the game. I like using managers and even today he would be in the top few I go to, its all about Fantasy Booking

He's had his jaw completely rebuilt, struggles to speak as a result of that and his cancer treatments, and sometimes struggles to walk unaided.It's got nothing to do with the fact that he's not worked full-time in decades, it's because he would be physically unable to do so again.

Of course I know about medical problems but half the point of EWR is fantasy booking so ith Heenan as one of the better names why not keep him? Even with his Medical conditions he hasn't lost all abilities to warrant 0 stats IMO

Yes I know you can say "Just add him in if you want him" but it's also just as easy to leave him in and people who don't want him can delete him.

"Yes I know that he can barely walk. Lower his technical to 37."

Come on dude, you're being ridiculous. Heenan should be removed.

Looking at hippie's post - are the Authority seriously not yet in the game as a stable? Surely one of the top priorities of these updates should be keeping WWE (and I suppose to an extent TNA) as up to date with current events as possible?

I agree, Hennan is done. managers need to be mouthpieces (in the game) so having a manager that can barely speak wouldn't work.

Rename Psyco Ripper to Psicosis and Psiscosis II to Reaper (Psyco Ripper's second rename as referenced in.)

TNA updates - apologies if any of this has already been suggested; if it was I somehow missed it

-It looks like Norv Fernum (Peter Avalon) and Dewey Barnes (who needs stats) are going to be regulars in TNA so they could be put on the roster.

Apparently Dewey Barnes is also known as White Tiger. NOT the one in the game as the one n the game is Canadian, not American like Dewey Barnes.

Also add Backyard Billy as an alter ego for White Tiger (the Canadian one in the game.)

As for stats for Dewey Barnes.

Age: 23

Nationality; American

Weight: Lightweight

Wages $5,000

Employer: TNA

Alignment: Tweener

Position: Opener

Gimmick: None?

Stats: 32/55/58/39/52/30/50/80/85

Primary Finisher: DDT (Impact)

Secondary Finisher: DDT (Impact)

RoH Spoilers:

Roderick Strong, Jimmy Jacobs and BJ Whitmer should all be heels. I would say make them grizzled veterans but Whitmer is 35, Strong is 30 and Jacobs is 29 and to be a grizzled veteran you must be 36. I guess Man On A MIssion would work.

Lower Jeff Hardy's Charisma, even though I'm a big fan, anyone who uses their own chant to finish a promo is terrible on the mic.

Not really, it can be used to get the crowd pumped for the next match. Not a good enough reason to drop charisma down IMO.

Nigel was pretty over in TNA for a bit of time before his hepatitis outbreak that forced his retirement and pretty over with ROH for a long time. Now I am not sure if he is more over than X-Pac but he isn't worth a 50, a 60 would be fine. The same with Steen and the Briscoes.

But what are you basing that off of? If X-Pac showed up on RAW next week, more people would know who he is than Nigel McGuinness.

That is true but I am sure that Nigel's overness would be adjusted a lot more easily when he is on WWE. Many people watch WWE and TNA on here but you have less who input on the indies (which cause often over-rated wrestler stats because of lack of views.)

And if X-Pac and Nigel McGuinness both turned up to some random indie in the middle of nowhere, the same would apply. This is a landscape were wrestling = WWE, and even moreso with folk who were over in the last big boom period.

If Nigel and X-Pac showed up at an indy, they would get the same reaction because most if not all fans are the hardcore fans.

Any random yard tard could be treated as a big deal in WWE or any company for that matter. The point is he wouldn't be that popular. Taking a look at Bills data which I'm just using for reference. AJ Styles is 89 and Booby Roode is 87. Meaning they are more over than most of the WWE roster and pretty much on par with their top guys outside of Cena and Punk. I'm not sure how this is logically even possible considering that most of the wrestling world barley knows what TNA is let alone who is in that company. The only reasonable logic I can think of is that a) someone is way overstating how popular TNA really is and b) guys are being treated on how over they are in that company and not in the grand scheme of things. If its the latter than the top guys in every promotion should be in the high 80's. Which I don't think anyone would agree with. Which brings me back to me not seeing any reasonable logic for that kind of overness on guys who virtually have little exposure or audience recognition in the grand scheme of things. The further down in promotions you go the worse it seems to get too. In ROH, Nigel, Steen and the briscoes are low 70.meaning they are on par with a Goldust. Not to mention that they are just as over as X-Pac who while not on tv now a days would still be a much bigger draw than any of those 3 even on an indy show. What would have to happen is a rehaul o fthe entire database or a new database made. Where we look at WWE's roster and scale back from there even possibly scaling back some of WWE's roster. The scale back the wages on everyone so they are not making more money than they should be and then scale back the promotions.

TNA has a standard 1 million televised which is in between 1/3 and 1/4 of WWE's standard rating for RAW, similarly TNA's largest attended shows are at about half the size of the general WWE shows. However most of the TNA guys are more over than the average WWE guys. Some WWE guys are just not over while TNA guys like the Bro-Mans still have pretty over reactions despite being midcard at best.

Nigel was pretty over in TNA for a bit of time before his hepatitis outbreak that forced his retirement and pretty over with ROH for a long time. Now I am not sure if he is more over than X-Pac but he isn't worth a 50, a 60 would be fine. The same with Steen and the Briscoes.

Namajague has left CMLL to return to Japan for New Japan.

Has that been confirmed? I've heard rumours that he's redebuting but nothing concrete.

Luchablog said he has finished up his two year stint in Mexico's CMLL in an update today.

Make Rory Mondo a non wrestler.

Add Fire Ant, Green Ant and Nick Mondo to CZW

Make Chris Hero a babyface in ROH

Turn Roderick Strong, Jimmy Jacobs and BJ Whitmer heel in ROH.

Thoughts on one of the spoilers.

The Ants replaced 4Loco so I wouldn't add them just yet.

2 Alter Egos from Chikara:

The Shard seems to be

John Silver

and The Estonian Thunderfrog is

Icarus

Also rumored that Jervis Cottonbelly is either a Student or

Vin Gerard

It seems that The Shard seems to be Confirmed, not sure about the others.

Do as you wish wih the information

Where did this information come from (just wondering)

More names:

assailANT is Nelson Ortiz

Also rumored that Jervis Cottonbelly is either a Student or

Vin Gerard

I've stood next to Jervis. He doesn't smell like a dumpster. That's all the proof I need to know that one's not true.

My thought is in the spoiler

Oh come on, Vin Gerard doesn't smell THAT bad. Perhaps the refined gentleman rolls around in garbage when he is possessed by the former Equinox...

Make Rory Mondo a non wrestler.

Add Fire Ant, Green Ant and Nick Mondo to CZW

Make Chris Hero a babyface in ROH

Turn Roderick Strong, Jimmy Jacobs and BJ Whitmer heel in ROH.

CZW Cage of Death & ROH Final Battle'13 spoilers

I don't think Sick Nick should be added to CZW, at least not for now as that was probably only a one-off appearance.

He was talking about Rory who was known as Little Mondo dating back to the days Sick Nick was still wrestling and Rory was just a friend. FYI, Rory said that he was retiring. I would wait regarding this "spoiler" from PWInsider.com

Though it could be a name change knowing how pro-wrestling is.

Namajague has left CMLL to return to Japan for New Japan.

As for debuts only go into the midcard, most have. The only I can think of who were instant stars were Hogan in 84, Big Show and Jericho in 99, the Radicalz in 00 and The Shield in 12. Every other initial debut in WWE were midcard acts at best. That doesn't mean say an AJ Styles would be treated as just a midcarder upon debut and get the huge Jericho style intro.

Flair, Goldberg, Steiner second time round to an extent, Luger went straight into a program with Perfect, Foley straight against Undertaker. I'm sure there'll be others earlier than that. Warrior? When there was a big alternative you could use those guys as stars.

Foley was the only non champion out of that list and was completely redone. Luger was repackaged too but he was put into an upper-card program to start (then moved onto a Bret Hart house show feud.) Flair was pushed to the top same as Goldberg and Steiner.

I agree steals were bigger back in the attitude era and even the territory days but that doesn't mean TNA guys couldn't be treated as big deals, and I am not even talking about the former WWE guys.

Isn't TNA's top guys on written deals anyway? So they shouldn't have any problem keeping them as long as they are on a written deal. For the record I dont mind TNA.

A majority of TNA guys now are on written deals because they lock them up to prevent them to be on IPPV (mainly for DGUSA and ROH) except OVW guys (due their previous relationship.)

A lot of TNA guys were (not sure if they still are with recent updates) on open contracts so they could also work occasional shows at regional companies, but that isn't the most important thing here anyway. With the money they'd have to be paying them, the income for a regional promotion wouldn't be anywhere near enough and their TV ratings would see them kicked off air as soon as the game started. Seeing as they do have at least a cult following and have been trying to make themselves a national or even global company, there's no way that Regional would do them justice. Unless you're going to demote everyone but CZW, ROH, PWG and CHIKARA to small, but that just wouldn't make seem right to me. Besides, ROH shouldn't be below cult either, they have quite a lot of fans/followers(?) as it is.

The majority of the talent who have open deals are in OVW. This includes Hannah Blossom, Holly Blossom, Jessie, Lie'D Tapa, Rob Terry, Rockstar Spud, Sam Shaw and Taryn Terrell. Everyone else is under written deals now.

The better question- what to do for the smaller promotions than TNA's ratings. I can buy a Bobby Roode at 79 or 80- even if he'd be a little lower in the WWE, TNA is just big enough you have to be reasonable and not say "every TNA homegrown's no higher than 60, either". Plus, if TNA gets these, you have to go through "Well, then ROH should have the same factor- if, say, Bobby Roode's only a 75-80 guy, then, say, Kevin Steen should be at 50-55", and then from there, companies like Anarchy Wrestling [a fairly overrated draw-promotion] of "Well, no way anyone for Anarchy even flirts with 30 overness", and so on and so forth.

I think Anarchy had a hardcore fan push it up an then with the other north east indies, somebody had the same logic. Compare this to say Mexico where AAA and CMLL talent are actually legit over with pretty big venues. I do agree though, we should lower the other indies to regional or small.

As for the "the only TNA wrestlers would goto WWE are X, Y, Z" logic, that is taking the modern WWE credo tat they have too many small guys so they wont hire X.

No it isn't, if only because that "credo" clearly doesn't even exist.

Actually it was why the American Wolves were not pressed on their initial tryout (I think in September.) They only got their recent one when Regal stuck his neck out for them because they are "too good not to sign." Add in the logic that Daniel Bryan was too small to sell Summer Slam and you have a sound WWE logic of having "too many small guys."

I still argue TNA is cult. They can get pretty decent crowds for their big PPVs and even television tapings on the road. Now was it WCW sized venues, no. It was more or less AHL sized hockey arenas (think the Arena at Harbor Yard in Bridgeport, CT) that you get nearly 9,000 people at a full sell out. It ended up getting 6K in normal cases which is larger than DGUSA and ROH could ever get. Which is why I argue that TNA is cult being they would be regional.

I wouldn't say TNA is regional borderline cult, it's more cult borderline national. Promotions like ROH, CZW, DGUSA and all the other "cults" are more regional and only promote in a few neighboring states or states they actually do good business in. This would leave AAA and CMLL as national, which they are in Mexico.

As for the "the only TNA wrestlers would goto WWE are X, Y, Z" logic, that is taking the modern WWE credo tat they have too many small guys so they wont hire X.

As for debuts only go into the midcard, most have. The only I can think of who were instant stars were Hogan in 84, Big Show and Jericho in 99, the Radicalz in 00 and The Shield in 12. Every other initial debut in WWE were midcard acts at best. That doesn't mean say an AJ Styles would be treated as just a midcarder upon debut and get the huge Jericho style intro.

Raise Cena's Charisma to 100, he should be on par with Punk especially over the past month or two Punk has gotten worse and Cena has gotten better

I disagree, Cena has good promos when he is serious but Punk is good doing any type of promo.

TLC Spoilers

The new WWE Unified title is the WWE World Heavyweight Title.

Remove the World Heavyweight title and World Heavyweight Title Money in the Bank as titles.

Final Battle Notes:

Court Bauer should be added to ROH, he is handling marketing efforts now.

BJ Whitmer is back to wrestling, he was the mystery partner.

After the match he joined Jimmy Jacobs and Roderick Strong as a new stable The Decade.

Tomasso Ciampa is the new TV Champion.

Chris Hero is back and based on the angle should be added.

It looks like Outlaw Inc. will be heel going forward.