Stat Discussion for the TEW05 Real World Update

[TheWho87]

Right I didn't want to put this in with the main topic cause I don't want to get this lost in there, what I am looking at is the top tier of the workers in the data with stats in the regions of A and A* and since this is the top level workers/best in the world I want to get a few opinions on modifications to those in this area currently if their ordered right and who should be added/removed from the lists.

All lists are in spoilers since some are long but these are all workers in the A and A* region, their also ordered in level from highest to lowest for each category, any and all opinions on these are greatly welcome.

Brawling

(This is how good the worker is at producing high quality brawling-style matches.)

92 - Stan Hansen

90 - Bruiser Brody

87 - Aja Kong

86 - Rocco Rock

85 - Raven

85 - Sabu

84 - Dick Murdock

84 - Kensuke Sasaki

83 - Kenta Kobashi

82 - Bruno Sammartino

82 - Buzz Sawyer

82 - Dick Slater

82 - Glenn Jacobs (Kane)

82 - Toshiaki Kawada

82 - Wahoo McDaniel

81 - Homicide

Strong Style

(This is how good the worker is at producing high quality Strong Style matches, which is the Japanese-style of realistic looking blows and holds.)

94 - Satoshi Koijma

93 - Keiji Mutoh

91 - Kenta Kobashi

91 - Masahiro Chono

91 - Samoa Joe

91 - Toshiaki Kawada

90 - Super Dragon

90 - Hiroshi Tanahashi

90 - Homicide

90 - Jumbo Tsuruta

89 - CM Punk

89 - Low Ki

88 - Rocky Romero

88 - Kensuke Sasaki

88 - Kevin Steen

88 - Takeshi Morishima

88 - Yuji Nagata

87 - Roderick Strong

86 - Kurt Angle

86 - Ricky Reyes

86 - Shinya Hashimoto

85 - Austin Aries

85 - Chris Benoit

85 - Christopher Daniels

85 - Jun Akiyama

83 - Christian Cage

83 - Shohei Baba

82 - Ricky Steamboat

82 - Shinsuke Nakemura

82 - Arik Cannon

82 - Bryan Danielson

82 - Davey Richards

82 - Horace The Psychopath

82 - Iceberg

82 - Ken Shamrock

82 - Joker

81 - B-Boy

81 - Eddie Guerrero

81 - KENTA

Hardcore

(This is how good the worker is at producing high quality hardcore matches, which are matches that involve lots of weapons and chaotic fighting.)

98 - Danny Havoc

92 - Nick Gage

91 - The Sheik

90 - Drake Younger

90 - Jason Lyte

90 - New Jack

88 - John Zandig

86 - Brain Damage

86 - Sexxxy Eddy

86 - Deranged

85 - Abdullah The Butcher

85 - Mickie Knuckles

85 - Jon Moxley

85 - Bruiser Brody

85 - Terry Funk

85 - Necro Butcher

85 - Rachel Summerlyn

85 - Corporal Robinson

84 - Ian Rotten

84 - Thumbtack Jack

84 - Tomoaki Honma

82 - Buzz Sawyer

82 - Dick Slater

82 - Mr. Gannosuke

81 - Homicide

Aerial

(This is how good the worker is at producing high quality high flying matches, that is matches that involve lots of top turnbuckle attacks, dives to the outside, etc.)

98 - Hayabusa

95 - Kota Ibushi

93 - Dragon Kid

92 - Jack Evans

92 - Yoshitsune

91 - Pac

90 - Taka Michinoku

90 - The Grea-t Sasuke

90 - Mistico

89 - Brent B

89 - Cody 45

89 - Taiji Ishimori

89 - Maximo

89 - Pegasso

89 - Pierre Shadows

88 - Matt Cross

88 - Paul London

87 - Tiger Mask IV

86 - Super Crazy

86 - Pequeno Black Warrior

86 - Pequeno Damien 666

86 - Pequeno Nitro

86 - Mini Chessman

86 - Mascarita Divina

86 - Pequeno Olimpico

86 - Atomic Boy

86 - El Oriental

86 - El Sagrado

86 - Jimmy Yang

85 - Koji Kanemoto

85 - Ricky Marvin

85 - Teddy Hart

85 - Mr. Aguila

85 - Naomichi Marfuji

85 - Phoenix Star

85 - Sonjay Dutt

84 - Player Dos

84 - Polvora

84 - Brian Kendrick

84 - Ramstein

84 - Rey Misterio, Jr

83 - Jerrelle Clark

83 - Mike Quackenbush

83 - The Amazing Red

82 - Starman

82 - Zokre

82 - Ikuto Hidaka

82 - Shito Ueda

82 - Averno

82 - Elix Skipper

82 - Kid Kash

82 - Jagged

81 - Jody Fleisch

81 - Jushin Liger

81 - Juventud Guerrera

81 - La Mascara

81 - Mephisto

81 - NOSAWA Rongai

81 - TAKEMURA

81 - Virus

81 - Zumbido

Mat Wrestling

(This is how good the worker is at producing high quality mat wrestling matches. Those are matches that are done mainly on the canvas, with plenty of holds and counter holds.)

99 - Lou Thesz

95 - Chris Benoit

95 - Karl Gotch

93 - Bryan Danielson

92 - Bret Hart

92 - Jack Briscoe

92 - Kurt Angle

91 - Jumbo Tsuruta

91 - Osamu Nishimura

89 - Austin Aries

89 - Jushin Liger

88 - Johnny Saint

88 - Marty Jones

87 - Nobuhiko Takada

86 - Shinjiro Otani

86 - Jerry Lynn

86 - Alex Shelley

86 - Owen Hart

86 - Ricky Steamboat

86 - Masahiro Chono

86 - Keiji Mutoh

85 - Kevin Steen

85 - CM Punk

85 - Shinsuke Nakamura

84 - Steven Regal

84 - Tiger Mask IV

84 - James Maritato (Nunzio)

84 - Octagon

84 - Koji Kanemoto

83 - Dan Severn

83 - Matt Stryker

83 - Mike Quackenbush

83 - Milano Collection AT

83 - Nick Dinsmore

82 - Baron Von Raschke

82 - Charlie Haas

82 - Colt Cabana

82 - Christopher Daniels

82 - Brock Lesnar

82 - Takashi Sugiura

82 - Simon Diamond

82 - Jun Akiyama

82 - Eddie Guerrero

81 - El Hijo del Santo

81 - Rocky Romero

81 - El Santo

Chain Wrestling

(This is how good the worker is at producing high quality chain wrestling matches, that is doing long unbroken sequences of holds.)

99 - Lou Thesz

95 - Kurt Angle

95 - Chris Benoit

93 - Bryan Danielson

89 - Jushin Liger

89 - Austin Aries

88 - Jack Brisco

88 - Johnny Saint

88 - Jumbo Tsuruta

87 - Christopher Daniels

87 - Jerry Lynn

87 - Masato Yoshino

86 - Chris Hero

86 - Keiji Mutoh

85 - Owen Hart

84 - Steven Regal

84 - Alex Shelley

84 - CM Punk

84 - Marty Jones

84 - Dave Finlay

83 - Christian Cage

83 - Matt Stryker

83 - Milano Collection AT

83 - Tiger Mask IV

83 - Shelton Benjamin

83 - Masahiro Chono

82 - Arik Cannon

82 - Drake Younger

82 - Ricky Steamboat

82 - Shinsuke Nakamura

82 - Jay Lethal

82 - Horace The Psychopath

82 - KENTA

82 - Kevin Steen

81 - Eddie Guerrero

81 - Koji Kanemoto

81 - Brian Kendrick

81 - Jun Akiyama

Submissions

(This is how good the worker is at producing high quality submission-based matches.)

99 - Lou Thesz

96 - Bret Hart

95 - Chris Benoit

93 - Bryan Danielson

92 - Kurt Angle

92 - Milano Collection AT

90 - Dean Malenko

90 - Koji Kanemoto

89 - Chad Collyer

89 - Dan Severn

89 - Steven Regal

88 - Johnny Saint

87 - Takashi Iizuka

86 - Nobuhiko Takada

85 - Low Ki

85 - Samoa Joe

84 - Manabu Soya

84 - Masahiro Chono

84 - Dave Finlay

84 - Minoru Suzuki

83 - Mike Quackenbush

83 - Ken Shamrock

82 - Alex Shelley

82 - Charlie Haas

82 - Daniel Puder

82 - Owen Hart

82 - Matt Stryker

82 - Ricky Steamboat

82 - Chris Hero

82 - Chris Jericho

81 - CM Punk

Refereeing

(This measures how good a worker is at refereeing matches.)

94 - Charles Robinson

93 - Ricky Steamboat

90 - Nick Patrick

88 - Earl Hebner

87 - Theodore Long

86 - Vince McMahon

85 - Jimmy Korderas

83 - Mark Johnson

81 - Rudy Charles

Booking Skill

(The higher this value is, the bigger the promotions the worker can become head booker of. If it is set to zero, the worker will never become head booker of anyone.)

100 - Vince McMahon

95 - J.J.Dillon

93 - Gabe Sapolsky

90 - Jim Cornette

89 - Raven

88 - John Laurinaitis

88 - Shohei Baba

87 - Steven Regal

86 - Shane McMahon

86 - Paul Heyman

85 - Simon Inoki

85 - Scott D'Amore

84 - Eric Bischoff

84 - Gene Okerlund

84 - Jimmy Hart

84 - Smith Hart

84 - Jushin Liger

82 - Riki Choshu

82 - Dusty Rhodes

81 - Keiji Mutoh

81 - Kenta Kobashi

Respect

(This is a measure of how highly regarded the worker is by his peers. A high rating means he is very respected, and so he would make a good road agent.)

100 - Mae Young

100 - Mark Calaway (Undertaker)

100 - The Fabulous Moolah

100 - Vince McMahon

100 - Lou Thesz

100 - Andre The Giant

100 - Gordon Solie

99 - Bruno Sammartino

97 - Linda McMahon

96 - Antonio Inoki

95 - Dusty Rhodes

95 - Eddie Graham

95 - Sting

95 - Keiji Mutoh

95 - Genichiro Tenryu

95 - Ric Flair

94 - Ricky Steamboat

94 - Shohei Baba

93 - Satoru Sayama

93 - Hulk Hogan

92 - Jack Brisco

92 - Tamon Honda

92 - Steve Austin

91 - Gory Guerrero

91 - Bret Hart

90 - Arnold Skaaland

90 - Bobo Brazil

90 - Fritz Von Erich

90 - Chris Jericho

90 - Jumbo Tsuruta

90 - Karl Gotch

90 - Mick Foley

90 - Pat Roach

90 - Stu Hart

89 - Shawn Michaels

89 - Killer Kowalski

89 - Pepe Casas

88 - Tony St. Clair

88 - El Hijo del Santo

88 - El Santo

88 - Bobby Heenan

88 - Pat O'Connor

88 - Satanico

88 - Mad Dog Vachon

86 - Arn Anderson

86 - Negro Casas

86 - Chavo Guerrero, Sr

86 - The Grea-t Sasuke

85 - Chris Benoit

85 - Gene Anderson

85 - Gene Kiniski

85 - Jack Lanza

85 - Jack Tunney

85 - Jushin Liger

85 - Freddie Blassie

85 - Dwayne Johnson (The Rock)

85 - The Grand Wizard

85 - Tineblas Sr

85 - Earl Hebner

85 - Paul Levesque (Triple H)

85 - Bob Orton, Jr

85 - Johnny Saint

85 - Baron Von Raschke

85 - Billy Graham

85 - Owen Hart

84 - J.J. Dillon

83 - Dory Funk, Jr

83 - Gene Okerlund

83 - Jim Ross

83 - Kurt Angle

83 - Mil Mascaras

82 - Gary Hart

82 - Randy Savage

81 - Gorilla Monsoon

Charisma

(This is how charismatic the worker is.)

100 - Keiji Mutoh

100 - The Sheik

99 - Hulk Hogan

99 - Kendo Nagasaki

98 - Gino Hernandez

98 - Dwayne Johnson (The Rock)

98 - Ric Flair

98 - Stan Hansen

98 - Sting

98 - Bobo Brazil

98 - The Junkyard Dog

97 - Joey Styles

95 - The Grand Wizard

95 - Jimmy Valient

95 - Jim Cornette

95 - Buzz Sawyer

94 - Shawn Michaels

94 - Steve Austin

93 - Steve Corino

93 - Ernest Miller

93 - Dick Murdoch

93 - Masahiro Chono

92 - Mick Foley

92 - Paul Ellering

92 - Bobby Heenan

92 - Joel Gertner

92 - Bret Hart

92 - John Cena

92 - Lou Albano

92 - Paul Heyman

92 - Randy Savage

91 - Chris Jericho

91 - Glenn Gilberti

90 - Missy Hyatt

90 - Paul Levesque (Triple H)

90 - Steven Regal

90 - Adam Copeland (Edge)

90 - Fritz Von Erich

90 - Anthony Carelli (Santino Marella)

90 - Christian Cage

90 - CM Punk

90 - Dave Prazak

90 - Bruiser Brody

90 - Dragon Dragon

90 - Jushin Liger

89 - Christopher Daniels

89 - J.J. Dillon

89 - Sonny Siaki

89 - Stevie Richards

88 - Ernie Ladd

88 - Colt Cabana

88 - Kimona

88 - Mad Dog Vachon

88 - Midajah

88 - The Sandman

88 - Vince McMahon

88 - Robert Windham (Blackjack Mulligan)

88 - Nick Dinsmore

88 - Vince Russo

88 - Togi Makabe

88 - Shinya Hashimoto

88 - Shohei Baba

88 - Konnan

88 - Eddie Guerrero

87 - James Maritato (Nunzio)

87 - Stalker Ichikawa

87 - Kurt Angle

87 - Diamond Dallas Page

87 - Eddie Kingston

86 - Dustin Rhodes (Goldust)

86 - Jack Evans

86 - Warrior (Ultimate Warrior)

86 - Sexxxy Eddy

86 - Simon Diamond

86 - Raven

86 - Beulah McGillicutty

86 - James Mitchell

86 - Dusty Rhodes

86 - Darin Corbin

86 - Booker T

86 - Art Barr

85 - Adrian Street

85 - B.G. James

85 - D-Lo Brown

85 - Don Callis

85 - Justin Credible

85 - Kenny King

85 - Mr. Anderson (Mr. Kennedy)

85 - Teddy Hart

85 - Mr. ZERO

85 - The Honky Tonk Man

85 - Owen Hart

85 - Lizzy Valentine

85 - Shane Douglas

85 - Kerry Von Erich

85 - Buddy Rose

84 - Dan Maff

84 - Barry Darsow

84 - Rick Rude

84 - Ladies Choice

84 - Roddy Piper

84 - Mark Calaway (Undertaker)

84 - Ron Killings

84 - Shark Boy

84 - Sonjay Dutt

84 - Shocker

84 - Samoa Joe

84 - Paul Wight (Big Show)

84 - Larry Sweeney

84 - Stephanie McMahon

84 - Terry Funk

84 - Matt Hardy

84 - Jimmy Garvin

84 - Boris Malenko

84 - EZ Money

83 - Elix Skipper

83 - Danny Doring

83 - Milano Collection AT

83 - Maryse Oulette

83 - Megumi Kudo

83 - Tony Schiavone

83 - Scott Hall

83 - Scott Steiner

83 - Scott Taylor (Scotty 2 Hotty)

83 - Trish Stratus

83 - Melissa Bellin (Nitro Girl Spice)

83 - Mr. Aguila

83 - Jimmy Hart

83 - Erick Stevens

83 - Erik Watts

83 - Allison Danger

83 - Allison Pfau (Nitro Girl Syren)

83 - Jennifer Bancalum (Nitro Girl Star)

83 - Arn Anderson

83 - Hector Garza

82 - Genki Horiguchi

82 - Giant Tiger

82 - Butch Reed

82 - Carlos Colon, Jr (Carlito)

82 - CIMA

82 - Glenn Jacobs (Kane)

82 - Hiroyoshi Tenzan

82 - Jimmy Snuka

82 - Matt Bentley

82 - Rene Dupree

82 - Chiquita Anderson (Nitro Girl Chiquita)

82 - Trent Acid

82 - Ultimo Gladiator

82 - Randy Orton

82 - Sweet Saraya

82 - Taka Michinoku

82 - Val Venis

82 - MsChif

82 - Rey Bucanero

82 - Ron Bass

82 - Roni Jonah

82 - Tayo Reed (Nitro Girl Tayo)

82 - Naomichi Marfuji

82 - Rico Constantino

82 - Shane Sewell

82 - Slim J

82 - Mark Copani (Muhammad Hassan)

82 - Ayako Hamada

82 - Bill Eadie

82 - Bill Goldberg

82 - Jeff Hardy

82 - Gorilla Monsoon

82 - La Parka, Jr

82 - Drew McDonald

82 - Carmel Macklin (Nitro Girl Chameleon)

81 - Jim Duggan

81 - Gregory Helms

81 - Eddie Graham

81 - El Generico

81 - Lenny Lane

81 - Private Eye

81 - Ted DiBiase, Sr

81 - Taylor Matheny

81 - Sean O’Haire

81 - Slick

81 - Chavo Guerrero, Jr

Edited November 13, 2009 by TheWho87

[Gazz]

90 - Super Dragon

90 - Hiroshi Tanahashi

90 - Homicide

90 - Jumbo Tsuruta

89 - CM Punk

89 - Low Ki

88 - Rocky Romero

88 - Kensuke Sasaki

88 - Kevin Steen

88 - Takeshi Morishima

88 - Yuji Nagata

87 - Roderick Strong

86 - Kurt Angle

86 - Ricky Reyes

86 - Shinya Hashimoto

You guys are kidding, right?

In fact, if you're not Japanese, or your name isn't Stan Hansen or Vader, you shouldn't even be above 50-60.

[TheWho87]

i guess your talking about the strong style stat, firstly most of these stats were not given by me hence why im looking on fixing them, secondly their mostly old stats which is another reason i want to update, and thirdly what kinda help is what you put? am i meant to now go through every single US guy and force them down just because Super Dragon has a higher stat in strong style than Hashimoto?

thats a real help your being

[Gazz]

am i meant to now go through every single US guy and force them down just because Super Dragon has a higher stat in strong style than Hashimoto?

Well yeah, if you want an accurate database. Hashimoto was pretty much the Japanese style of wrestling in it's purest form.

[TheWho87]

now thats more helpful, since i want to get some more feedback on some of these before having to redo the lists again for now according to what you say i'll put Hashimoto to be pretty much top in the field then

[steesh07]

I'd drop Pac down to 89 for aerial as he's not better than Mistico yet he's better than Paul London imo. Also are you considering the revision of womens stats because I don't think you decided when we talked about it mid week? Just asking .

[TheWho87]

oh yeah im up for the whole womens thing, i think if you check the hardcore i did do a couple of modifications to the women

[steesh07]

I noticed Knuckles and agreed, on second look I noticed Summerlyn I'd drop Summerlyn to 83 as I don't think she's better than Ian Rotten. I'd raise Hamada's to the high 60's (if it isn't already) due to her matches in TNA and a no DQ match against Del Rey included a nifty moonsault w/ a chair.

Edited November 13, 2009 by steesh07

[Black Majik]

Just putting this out there, Green and Carpenter Ant just started wrestling and they already have stats better than Fire and Soldier Ant, who are already underrated as is. I'd raise Fire and Soldier's stats a bit, and lower Green's so he is C- to C+ across the board. Carpenter Ant B- Technical, C- to C+ for everything else.

Wasn't sure where else to post this, so yeah.

[TheWho87]

Just putting this out there, Green and Carpenter Ant just started wrestling and they already have stats better than Fire and Soldier Ant, who are already underrated as is. I'd raise Fire and Soldier's stats a bit, and lower Green's so he is C- to C+ across the board. Carpenter Ant B- Technical, C- to C+ for everything else.

Wasn't sure where else to post this, so yeah.

for general stat talk keep it in the topic this topic is meant to clean up the top level workers for each ability