Pleatherface

Please and thank you.

The Wire was great.

It took expectations and turned them upside down... Until it didn't.

It had it's own problems, but it made claiming mostly useless as a proving technique, and let everybody do their joke posting that wanted to.

I think show and movie and even short story games can be run well, and can definitely run in a way that ensures claiming isn't a defense.

But that falls on the Runner's shoulders, and if they're not building the game to consider it? There's a problem.

Claims aren't the problem.

I keep going back to Epic Fantasy Mafia, and The Battle For Vince's Soul, because they're great games to read, to see great players still learning the game.

Both games allow for claims and a couple of those claims would have absolutely cleared the players and put them beyond all question.

That didn't happen, even when it should have.

Games evolved to prevent it from happening. Runners saw a problem and tried to fix it. We saw games that averted, subverted, and outright punished the practice.

Those aren't the games running right now. Doesn't mean they're dead.

It does mean that new Runners have to consider the game they're designing carefully.

Claiming will always be a thing.

It's only an issue when players continually mistake a claim for proof, and when games are continually built that way.

You say had, as if it's ever going to end. Silly.

I'd rather we just bring it back here, and do it right this time, with less over saturation.

We have among our ranks, the beautiful, talented, intelligent, and capable ladies and lords of Mafia running, and we have a number of sharp players.

I just convinced myself to try running a small game when Harsh's is over, I suspect this desire springs from my mind, because my judgment is clouded, obscured by the mild TEOL flirtation that follows.

@KisenosaTEOL for you, I've returned. ❤️

I spent years dealing with Naiwf and DMN at the same time.

Trying to convince either of those two that you're clean when they have even the slightest reason to say you're not, is almost impossible.

Both at once? You're fucked unless they start targeting each other.

It was so unbelievably hard to even try to lynch a NAME player back then.

Pizza is a blessing.

I remember when Pizza came in as the new mafia wunderkind.

He dealt with so much hate and bullshit, that I'll always respect his rise as a prominent player, even when I'm trying to kill him, and defile his corpse so his spirit doesn't get to go to mafia heaven.

I wish SDM and Pizza, were playing.

The style gap would be interesting to explore.

In.

Last game I shot 3 townies and died.

That was pretty anemic for a bad pleather performance.

Let's see if we can't do a better job of being embarrassingly bad.

It's been a bit of time since I violently embarrassed myself here in a game of mafia.

I'm in.

Regarding the above theory/bookish/tv show spoilering.

So, I'm beginning to think the seasonal lumping people together theme is getting more and more arbitrary as we go.

I'm hoping for some strong characters to come out of it at least, but truthfully the number of missionaries scares me slightly.

I desperately hope so.

But I fear it's just Lucha stuff pulling them in.

Quick, Flat! Do a Chikara Mafia! For the greater good!

I can't get El Rey...

But fine, pardon me while I pack my little hobo bundle and go on a mystical quest to absorb the essence of lucha underground knowledge.

I know nothing about Lucha Underground other than the people of Mexico are apparently coming after Chavo because he's a heel. But it's mafia so I'm in.

I personally feel there has to be some personal responsibility in it. I mean Keith SHOULD have known the risk. You've got a game bot sitting there repeatedly saying "We're fine going to rocks and if you vote against us you'll go home." two idols are played and there's a tie. You know that if you go to rocks you're eliminated.

Saying okay to that?

Keith gets what he deserves 9 out of 10 times.

I agree it's not fair.

But when multiple idols are in play these are the situations we come to, and forcing two people that should be immune before a final 4 to go to fire because Keith doesn't have a sense of self-preservation would be equally unfair.

I get your point and can actually see you being correct on it. But my personal perception is altered by a guy almost willingly committing game suicide because he doesn't want to change his vote.

Keith wasn't immune. Three people were. There was tie. And a revote, during which Keith or anyone else could've changed their vote. Knowing that it was going to rocks (maybe knowing, he might have been confused) Keith said 'Let's do it.'

That right there going by the established rules should've made Tasha and Kimmie immune and sent Keith home.

Instead given the oddness of the situation they explain what's going to happen and give him or anyone else a third chance to change his vote and save his life. He still almost quit.

It's not a fair situation, but it's final 6, forcing kimmi and tasha to go to fire when Keith twice made a clear decision that would send him home at a different tribal? Wouldn't be the correct way to handle it either.

When I was small my father had gotten a brand new video camera, and spent nearly every waking moment that he was around the family playing with it. Even when he was busy doing other things, he'd just put the camera down and let it film the back of his head as he made toast. When our houses burned in 97, we were asleep, we escaped unharmed but unable to grab our possessions, each of us in various states of undress. My dad? Salvaged only his wallet, and with the help of my brother, 4 large cardboard boxes full of vhs tapes he'd shot through my childhood.

My first musical memories (as caught on film.) occurred on a road trip to Wyoming.

Old Rivers - Walter Brennan.

Mr. Custer - Larry Verne.

Little Rosa - Red Sovine.

Before the Next Tear Drop Falls - Freddy Fender.

Save the Last Dance for Me - The Drifters.

Bed of Roses - The Statler Brothers.

and I'm still not certain how he made the drive time play list, but I'm so happy he did.

A strange suggestion perhaps.

I find something oddly sinister about this ad, I saw it for the first time yesterday and it made me feel the same kind of creeping corporate dread I feel when I watch the truth ads.

Sousa's internet is down? ... W... Who am I suppose check my twitter for now?!?!?

I'm in if this is still a thing, sir.

Someone run a mafia so I can play it. And die early on. Please.

Replacement, if suck outweighs experience.

Dibs on being Sonny's giant penis.

reserve.