Darnez FC Forever

That sucks lol

Increase Eliza Sway's Brawl to 45, her Speed to 30, her Technical to 40 and her Overness to 15.

Increase KrackerJak's Speed to 33 and his Stiffness to 45.

Tick Superstar Look for Rhys Youngblood.

1) You Only Move Twice

2) Homer the Smithers

3) Homer the Great

4) 22 Short Films About Springfield

5) Mayored to the Mob

6) The Itchy and Scratchy and Poochie Show

7) Raging Abe Simpson and his Grumbling Grandson in "The Curse of the Flying Hellfish"

8) Homer at the Bat

9) Brother from Another Series

10) The Last Temptation of Homer

Trying to form this list after starting with a list of thirty was bloody difficult. "Lisa the Iconoclast", "Simpson and Delilah", "Marge vs The Monorail", "The Homer They Fall" and "Sideshow Bob Roberts" were extremely hard to cut away.

1. Machine Head

2. Trivium

3. The Agonist

4. Five Finger Death Punch

5. Anthrax

6. Iron Maiden

7. Disturbed

8. Hammerfall

9. Queensryche

10. Within Temptation

11. Sevendust

12. Slayer

13. Chimaira

14. In Flames

15. Throwdown

I think everyone would hate being on the same roster as New Jack.

My least fun one was sousas duelist mafia.

Only because you died night 1.

I loved that game.

Change my Crossover Chaos Mafia to Mafia went down to Georgia - 12 players.

In please

But the WWE has more, a lot more of an audience. That is the way the game works, from the game's own FAQ and mechanics. Yeah "experts" know of him and how good he is, but they make up a very small segment of the wrestling fan population. I run an American Football board, with people who watch wrestling. I think maybe 2 or 3 of them know of Richards. You know what they talk about more? The WWE. Because that's what wrestling fans at large know. We're a small special population, hardly indicative of the wrestling fan population at large.

I don't care about who buys a ticket to see who or whatever, overness doesn't measure that. It measures how well a wrestler is known, and if you polled all wrestling fans, they would know who Heath Slater was more often than Richards.

You can posit all the ifs and buts about if their situations were reversed, but they aren't. Pretty sure Claudio's been doing the same thing, as most other heels, and not all reactions are the same. Slater may be another WWE guy, but those guys, they're pretty well known. If you talk about overness being a worker in his role, which it is, to an extent, then Davey can be a 67 and still be a Main Eventer at the Cult Promotion level, which is exactly what he is.

And here is the Problem. You say "Overness" means how many People knows Heat Slater. I say Overness ist how People reacts to a Wrestler. And you say Overness does not mean a wrestler "sold tickets"? For me this is a big factor in the Overness Value.

How many "casual" fans know the WWE Guys that are used almost only for superstars and live events? Not as many as you might think! WWE has more audience no doubt. That does not mean that the casual fans know the worker from the Undercard

Yeah...Richards could Main Event a cult promotion with 67. But Slater wouldn't headline any show for ROH. Slater wouldn't headline any Show in Japan. He would be just a guy known from WWE.

And the game says fuck your definition of overness. As already explained the game determines overness by how well known the worker is. It is ludicrous to argue that a guy who has never been on national tv in any prominent role is as over or more over (which the game determines as who is more well-known) than someone who is on televisions world wide. Remember, Raw is broadcast on stations in many countries, not just America.

You don't get it. A lot of the WWE Guys in the Undercard you never see at RAW or SmackDown. Bateman, Curtis, JTG, Reks, Hawkins, Beretta, Riley, Camacho, Hunico, McIntyre, Jackson, Usos, Mahal, Gabriel, Ryan, McGillicutty, Tatsu and, besides the Legend-Angle, Heath Slater....all these guys are mostly used only for Superstars and NXT. NXT and Superstars runs on the Internet not on national tv. In many Countries you can't see these shows at all. In many countries you can not even see the complete RAW and Smackdown Shows. And if these guys are sometimes used on Smackdown or RAW then as jobbers. (And guess what ... you can see the ROH Weekly free on the ROH website worldwide! And hey...you can't see Superstars (legally) worldwide on the Internet) So you argue that these people are known worldwide even though they are NOT on worldwide television...although they're not even on national TV? Just because they are on wwe.com roster page?

And what says the Game really about overness?

Over: This is how much the crowd react to a worker. 0 means the person is totally unknown, 100 means a worker is known worldwide (such as The Rock). Generally wrestlers below 10 will be working for backyard federations, wrestlers around 60 will be working for Cult promotions, and workers over 80 will be working for Global promotions.

So if you want the game more realistic then lower also the overness of the WWE and TNA Under Carder

If the way overness in EWR works bothers you so much you should just play TEW.

I think most of you are forgetting that, unlike TEW, EWR has ONE number which measures how over someone is in the game. Which means that the biggest promotion in the game is going to be a greater measuring stick in determining how over someone is in comparison to smaller companies.

I think people are also forgetting that Indy companies tend to have the same fans attending most of the shows, so of course most of the wrestlers are going to get good reactions - they wrestle in front of similar crowds at any given event. For example, I worked as a cameraman for a local wrestling event last weekend and we pulled a crowd of around 100 people. One of our faces got a HUGE reaction from the crowd - but that doesn't mean he should have a high overness level just because 100 people know who he is and react to him - because I guarantee if you swapped out that crowd for 100 different people his reaction would've been a lot less. If you did the same experiment with The Rock, for example, he would get a huge reaction regardless because he is The Rock and lots of wrestling fans know who he is. And I bet if you did the same experiment again a WWE midcarder would get a bigger reaction than a El Generico or Sami Callihan because more wrestling fans would know who the midcarder is and thus there's more of a chance he'll get a reaction in comparison to the indy wrestlers.

If you want a more "accurate" way of measuring overness you should play TEW instead.

Add Crossover Chaos mafia - 30 players, but some roles can easily be cut.

I think there is a strong bias among those people who hate WWE and their sports entertainment type of wrestling. That leads to under-inflated stats. I point to the post above this one by Darnez FC.

If you can point me to any of the great brawls Ezekiel Jackson, Mason Ryan & Alex Riley have had (since that what stats 70+ mean, it means those guys are GREAT at that certain aspect of wrestling) then I'll gladly retract my statement.

Ehh, those I don't care about too much. But Orton is one of the best in-ring storytellers in the business. Just because he doesn't use 8 different types of kicks, 3 different elbows, and 2 different punches, doesn't mean he's not great in the ring? Leave his brawl where it is, and understand there is more to matches than just different moves strung together.

79 puts Orton on the level of John Cena, Chris Jericho & CM Punk - I don't see Orton as a better brawler than those three, and besides Cena I don't think Punk or Jericho need their brawl stat raised.

I'd raise Cena to 81 and lower Orton to 79.

I fully believe that Orton is better than Cena, and I'm not a Cena hater. I like the guy, but his offense is not as believable as Orton's. Other than that, they are very similar, I agree with you on that. Because of the believability factor I put Orton over Cena.

BTW, I hope I'm not coming off as an arrogant asshole. I have been told I do when I get into conversations like this and I'm trying not to.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree then and let Bill decide.

And no you're not, don't worry.

I think there is a strong bias among those people who hate WWE and their sports entertainment type of wrestling. That leads to under-inflated stats. I point to the post above this one by Darnez FC.

If you can point me to any of the great brawls Ezekiel Jackson, Mason Ryan & Alex Riley have had (since that what stats 70+ mean, it means those guys are GREAT at that certain aspect of wrestling) then I'll gladly retract my statement.

Ehh, those I don't care about too much. But Orton is one of the best in-ring storytellers in the business. Just because he doesn't use 8 different types of kicks, 3 different elbows, and 2 different punches, doesn't mean he's not great in the ring? Leave his brawl where it is, and understand there is more to matches than just different moves strung together.

79 puts Orton on the level of John Cena, Chris Jericho & CM Punk - I don't see Orton as a better brawler than those three, and besides Cena I don't think Punk or Jericho need their brawl stat raised.

I'd raise Cena to 81 and lower Orton to 79.

I think there is a strong bias among those people who hate WWE and their sports entertainment type of wrestling. That leads to under-inflated stats. I point to the post above this one by Darnez FC.

If you can point me to any of the great brawls Ezekiel Jackson, Mason Ryan & Alex Riley have had (since that what stats 70+ mean, it means those guys are GREAT at that certain aspect of wrestling) then I'll gladly retract my statement.

Guys who I have not seen but feel are entirely overrated:

Adam Cole

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Disagree with that. His last bout with Kyle O' Reilly was tremendous. I feel Brawl 's stat could be raise.

Well, I notice for a lot of guys that the Speed stat was overrated for my taste.

For example, I don't see a guy like Clay at 31 (same as Orton, Ryback, Marella and Barrett).

For the moment, I updated the Brawl Ladder I did last month (added DGUSA and PWG):

86: Edge

85: Samoa Joe

84: Bully Ray, Davey Richards, Finlay, Sami Callihan, Undertaker

83: Shawn Michaels, Triple H, William Regal

82: Daniel Bryan, Sheamus, SHINGO

81: Abyss, Brock Lesnar, James Storm, Kassius Ohno, Kevin Steen, Matt Morgan, Randy Orton, Rhino

80: Kurt Angle

79: Chris Jericho, Christian, CM Punk, Eddie Edwards, Jay Briscoe, Jimmy Jacobs, John Cena, Low Ki, Rob Van Dam, Roderick Strong

78: Bobby Roode, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, Hernandez, Kharma, Mark Briscoe, Steve Corino, Wade Barrett

77: Drew McIntyre, Jack Swagger, Jeff Jarrett, Super Dragon, Tensai

76: Beth Phoenix, Bobby Fish, Booker T, Johnny Gargano, Kane, Kyle O'Reilly, Mick Foley, Mr. Anderson, ODB, Rich Swann

75: Naruki Doi

74: Al Snow, Arik Cannon, Big Show, Brodie Lee, Dean Ambrose, Delirious, Douglas Williams, Jon Davis, Justin Gabriel, Michael Elgin, R-Truth, Ryback, Ted DiBiase, The Rock, Tommaso Ciampa, Zack Ryder

73: Akira Tozawa, Alberto Del Rio, Curt Hawkins, D'Angelo Dinero, Damien Sandow, Devon, Epico, Ezekiel Jackson, Heath Slater, Kevin Nash, Masaaki Mochizuki, Michael McGillicutty, Nigel McGuinness, Ricky Reyes, Sabu, Shelton Benjamin, TJ Perkins, Tyler Reks, YAMATO

72: Alex Riley, Austin Aries, Gunner, Jake Manning, Kyle Matthews, Mark Henry, Ric Flair, Sting

71: AJ Styles, Antonio Cesaro, Bray Wyatt, Brutus Magnus, Cedric Alexander, Jey Uso, Kofi Kingston, Mason Ryan, Santino Marella, Seth Rollins, The Miz

70:

69: Brodus Clay, CIMA, Conor O'Brian, Jeff Hardy, Jerry Lawler, Jimmy Uso, Joey Ryan, Martin Stone, Scott Lost, Xavier Woods

68: Adam Cole, Bo Dallas, Brian Cage-Taylor, Caleb Konley, David Otunga, Derrick Bateman, Jake Carter, Jinder Mahal, Mike Mondo, Rick Victor, Soldier Ant, Taz, Willie Mack, Yoshi Tatsu

67: BxB Hulk, Joseph Mercury, Kenneth Cameron, Mike Bennett, Richie Steamboat, Scott Reed, Steve Austin

66: Charlie Haas, Dante Dash, Leakee, Johnny Goodtime, Marcus Anthony, Player Uno, Primo, Robbie E, Sakamoto

65: El Generico, Rhett Titus, Titus O'Neil

64: Alexander Rusev, Big E Langston, Corey Graves, Crimson, Darren Young, DT Porter, James Bronson, Jesse James, Johnny Curtis, JTG, Natalya Neidhart, Rey Mysterio, Ryo Jimmy Saito, Sean Waltman, Tara, Val Kabious

63: Eric Young, Grizzly Redwood, Harlem Bravado, Percy Watson, Peter Avalon, Ricardo Rodriguez, Sarah Stock, Uhaa Nation

62 : Abraham Washington, B-Boy, Camacho, John Laurinaitis, Kid Kash, Sin Cara, Sofia Cortez, Susumu Yokosuka, Tyson Kidd

61: Christopher Daniels, CJ Parker, Gamma, Robbie T

60: Andy Ridge, Mickie James

59: Aiden English, Brad Allen, Colin Cassady, Hulk Hogan, Kenny King, Leo Kruger, Matt Striker, Mr. Ernesto Osiris, Tamina Snuka, Winter

58: AR Fox, Austin Draven, Byron Saxton, Erik Rowan, Garrett Dylan, Trish Stratus

57: Alex Shelley, Briley Pierce, Hunico, Jason Jordan

56: Ahtu, Jay Lethal, Lancelot Bravado, Muhammed Lawal, Rocky Romero, Scorpio Sky, The Great Khali

55:

54: Caprice Coleman, Evan Bourne, Famous B, Gail Kim, Garrett Bischoff, Jigsaw, Matt Jackson, Mr. McMahon, Pinkie Sanchez, Tenille, Zema Ion

53: Dusty Rhodes, John Silver, Mike Dalton, Paige, Prince Nana, Samuray Del Sol

52:

51: Aksana, Brad Maddox, Eve Torres, Nick Rogers

50: Trent Barreta

49: Alex Reynolds, Audrey Marie, Bret Hart, Chris Sabin, Chuck Taylor, Ricochet

48: Jesse Sorensen, Layla El, Madison Rayne

47: Alex Silva, Bob Evans, Hector Guerrero, Kaitlyn, Nick Jackson

46: AJ Lee, Alicia Fox, Eli Cottonwood, PAC

45: Kazarian

44: Adam Mercer, Archibald Peck, Derek Foore, Genki Horiguchi

43:

42: Raquel Diaz, Shane Hagadorn

41: Johnny Yuma, Kelly Kelly, Miss Tessmacher

40:

39: Rosita

38: Mike Cruz

37: Eric Bischoff

36: Candice LeRae, Matt Taven, Naomi Night, Rosa Mendes, Zokre

35:

34: Masato Yoshino

33: Christina Von Eerie

32: Excalibur, Ray Rosas

31: Dragon Kid

30: Ryan Taylor

29: Chris Kadillak, Flip Kendrick, Louis Lyndon

28: Buggy

27: Velvet Sky

26: Hornswoggle

25: Stalker Ichikawa

24: Truth Martini

23:

22: Caylee Turner

21: Player Dos

18: Reby Sky

17:

16: Larry Dallas, Stephanie McMahon

15: Phoenix Star

14: Brooke Hogan

13:

12:

11: Paul Heyman, Summer Rae

10: Jim Cornette

9: Vickie Guerrero

8: Cameron Lynn

7: Theodore Long, Jeremy Borash

6: Linda McMahon

5:

4: Lilian Garcia

That BRAWL list just goes to show you how many wrestlers (especially in WWE) have overinflated stats.

Lower Randy Orton's Brawl to 79

Lower Matt Morgan's Brawl to 75

Lower Ezekiel Jackson's Brawl to 68

Lower Alex Riley's Brawl to 66

Lower Mason Ryan's Brawl to 60

Lower Robbie T's Brawl to 59

Lower Eve Torres' Brawl to 43

Lower Alicia Fox's Brawl to 41

And that's just at a glance.

Sure.

Yes please.

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Mafia is done.

1. Kaley Cuoco

2. Keeley Hazell

3. Keira Knightley

4. Minka Kelly

5. Delta Goodrem

6. Hayden Panettiere

7. Jessica Alba

8. Blake Lively

9. Mary Elizabeth Winstead

10. Kristin Kreuk

All right all right Rider you win.

I see you've played knifey-spoony before.

Looking for a replacement for Sheep. Any takers?

If you don't get enough new guys to sign up, I'll take a spot.

And that's 15! The thread will be up in a few hours, got some things to take care of first.

Based on Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic and its Sequel (not the Old Republic because MMORPGs are rubbish ), this should be a fun little game of mafia.

You won't need to know too much about the source material to enjoy this game. Come one and come all!

Sign up list

1. Haloheadfire

2. Kapalua2483

3. 80's Srarbot

4. pizzamonkey

5. C-MIL

6. Devil In Jouzy City

7. TheAce

8. SeanDMan

9. Forky

10. Steeb Rogers

11. Summers

12. ~Gazz~

13. phatman

14. tomato

15.I got the Sheep right here

Replacement List

1. Pinokio