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I just got adobe after effects and it seems pretty decent. Also good because it's part of the adobe family therefore easy to picj up if you know photoshop.

Which is why you can assume man u have had an offer accepted.

I mean if they're talking then obviously an offer would have been accepted, otherwise what's the point.

Would you not think that if United had an offer accepted they would be Berbs immediate choice? It's the Scottish charm!

The whole "we need a striker or we'll be shit" is definately an overreation, we do have a quality side, with the best defence in the premiership and some great attacking players as well and that email to SSN is absolutely absurd. I really want a striker but Fergie is quality and is normally spot on in the transfer market (ignore a few goalkeeping laps and the kleberson affair), and if he doesn't sign Berbatov it'll be because he's basically not worth that much money.

I still hope we can bring someone in though of good quality who can play upfront, as said though, if not then it's not the end of the world.

EDIT: Woooop come on Fergie! Don't let him out!

Quoting like that is seriously annoying. Want me to pick apart your points? I won't.

What I will say is that I personally would like united to sign a striker because of what I said and that it will help the team. Obviously you don't agree, fine, end of.

Transfer news has been pretty quiet recently. Apparently a few rumours are veronin to Newcastle and Ashton to Villa...Neither of which I really see happening.

Just so you know WitW - I'll take Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney with those goals.

You have the Chopra if you want.

Maybe.

Chopra > Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney

Oh fo sure!

Want a list?

- He's coming back from injury and won't be straight back to the top of his game for a while.

- The team shouldn't have to rely on one player who may not even live up to what he achieved last year.

- Ronaldo's most likely leaving next year, so it'd be nice to find a top striker who can come in and fit in to united for a year and get used to the way we play.

- Even though Ronaldo scores lots of goals we lack the poacher aka Ruud role and even though we won the league and champ leauge last summer we still lacked pentration at certain times.

- Surely you want to improve on your squad? And with Chelsea and liverpool both significantly improving theirs, obviously united should be looking at doing the same.

And yeah I agree with you IaceI. Especially with the better teams, however with the lower teams in the premiership, or more tactical teams, the formations are still very important to the way they play. Look at Portsmouth for example with a distinct 442 formation when they play...so it is still important, but defiantely less important as it used to be.

I don't think that's comparable because of the difference in money we're talking about. and the fact that rooney was such a fantastic young talent....I don't know...30+million is a hell of a lot of money.

And yeah Ronaldo will score goals, but it would be amazing to have a team that doesn't rely on a one player, and on top of that, one player that will be leaving to go to Real Madrid this summer. So yeah we do need a striker because Rooney won't get us many goals Tevez will chip in, but we need an out and out goal scorer.

Well for the start of the season he's been very lazy.

And Chris that is very true. I hope man utd sign someone of great quality though, which is looking more unlikely if it's not berby

great so man united, the best team in europe, are gonna have the lazy Rooney, the fantastic Tevez and the inexperienced Campbell as their only striking options...oh that's brilliant. I hope man u come up with the 30mil after selling saha.

If Berbatov gets offered like 100k per week to play at city and they say they'll be bringing in the best from the world why would he not want to go there?

I hope he goes to unitted though.

haha, they were trying...

Will Berbatov end up going to United before midnight? I damn well hope so!

Chelsea full-back Paulo Ferreira is understood to be in talks over a possible move to West Ham.

The Portugal international, who joined the Blues in a £13.2million deal from Porto in 2004, signed a new five-year deal in February.

But the 29-year-old has slipped down the pecking order at Stamford Bridge following the arrival of compatriot Jose Bosingwa this summer, also from Porto.

West Ham are short of options at full-back with new Swiss winger Valon Behrami having had to fill in at right-back so far this season.

And Hammers boss Alan Curbishley has money to spend following Anton Ferdinand's £8m switch to Sunderland, according to Sky Sports News.

Yeah I started work on a skateboard too and wanted the "Shred" coming off of it in flames, but it was taking far too long and looking crap.

first to three sounds good.

Not overly pleased with it, which is why it took me a while, but here we go:

Been trying to use the pen tool to draw a skateboard, but not sure if i like the results, so it might just be a text based logo...shall see when i wake up in the afternoon,

sounds good! Any requirements?

Dochappy, fancy coming up with one?

A crap piece but hopefully it will look ok in the scheme of things and keep the mural going.

nice one. What rules do you fancy?

Perhaps a new logo and advertising poster for a fun company or something?

Okay, I'm bored and currently applying for graphic design jobs and expanding the old portfolio.

So does anyone want to battle with some quite professional-esque rules.

IE: to result with a graphic that can be put on the portfolio (no wrestling, stupid ones )

Maybe a logo and poster idea job or something?

Seeing as no-one else had a go i thought i'd pip in because i'm intrigued.

I used filter>render clouds. is that accepted? and other than that just everything and anything i could find in the filter menu.

Here's what i created

Very cool tutorial. Thanks

We could turn this thread in to a unknown Christmas songs thread if you'd like?