NFL 06/07 Talk

[gunnar hendershow]

Pretty damn sad to see my Colts get dropped from talk of an undefeated season (again) to not even looking at a first-round bye. People can talk about Bob Sanders til they're blue in the face, but they really, really miss Corey Simon and his giant space-eating ass in the middle of the d-line. With him, they wouldn't be getting nearly so pushed around.

...yeah they would.

does this loss to the Texans finally mean we can stop talking about Peyton Manning as God's gift to football? He's a good QB yeah, but look at his receivers, he wouldn't be nearly as good without Harrison AND Wayne. Factor in Stokeley and co as well and he's spoiled for choice for passing options, unlike a lot of quarterbacks. And the constant choking in the big games is not exactly a characteristic of a legendary quarterback either.

And don't forget the stellar O-Line.

[VerbalPuke]

I thought we were going to win for a second. The Lions simply found another way to lose. They played tough, but it was all for nothing. Hello #1 pick, but for the love god, don't take a QB. We need to build our lines, bad.

[NobBe Nobbs]

I thought we were going to win for a second. The Lions simply found another way to lose. They played tough, but it was all for nothing. Hello #1 pick, but for the love god, don't take a QB. We need to build our lines, bad.

[Cactus Drags]

I'd agree, but look what they've done with their first round picks in the past.

[JStarr]

Waiting on the riots when Matt Millen takes another receiver.

But seriously, QB is the last position the Lions need to worry about, at least with a #1 pick. I've been pleasantly surprised by Jon Kitna for most of this season.

[HailtotheYo]

Seriously, Jon Kitna can do the job. Detroit has NEVER ... EVER had an O-Line. They need to build that before addressing any other concerns.

[gunnar hendershow]

Good O-Lines make good QBs. You put any veteran behind a solid line and he'll at least be a Trent Dilfer on the 2000 Ravens.

[VerbalPuke]

You guys all hit the nail on the head. Kitna's constantly under fire, and the o-line has trouble opening holes for the run game.

One scout said that our o-line has two guys worthy of being starters, while the rest really don't belong in the NFL.

[gunnar hendershow]

At least most teams have 5 guys worthy of being on the practice squad. Lions can't even boast that.

[kale]

And the constant choking in the big games is not exactly a characteristic of a legendary quarterback either.

[gunnar hendershow]

And the constant choking in the big games is not exactly a characteristic of a legendary quarterback either.

Dan Marino says hi.

He got to a Super Bowl.

[JStarr]

And the constant choking in the big games is not exactly a characteristic of a legendary quarterback either.

Dan Marino says hi.

He got to a Super Bowl.

Dan Fouts?

[gunnar hendershow]

And the constant choking in the big games is not exactly a characteristic of a legendary quarterback either.

Dan Marino says hi.

He got to a Super Bowl.

Dan Fouts?

Not legendary.

Great. But not legendary.

[HailtotheYo]

I'd go with Warren Moon over Marino for this one.

And it isn't always that the O-Line Makes the QB. Again I point to Moon. In Houston he didn't always have a decent line, he just had receivers that knew he'd be looking to create.

[Vendetta]

Doug Flutie.

[Hajjhowe]

Neither Flutie or Moon were chokers, and had either been on the Colts in their respective primes, they would have won a Super Bowl.

Dan Marino would have too, his teams were terrible.

[JStarr]

Neither Flutie or Moon were chokers, and had either been on the Colts in their respective primes, they would have won a Super Bowl.

Dan Marino would have too, his teams were terrible.

I'd give you Marino, but Warren "8 seasons of more than 16 picks AND never even made a Conference Championship Game AND coughed up a 35-3 lead in 25 minutes" Moon and Doug "never even won a playoff game" Flutie? These two guys aren't chokers? But Peyton Manning gets derailed by loaded defenses in New England and Pittsburgh, and he is a choker?

Honestly, people are taking the Peyton hate just a bit too far.

And Moon's "not decent" lines had Mike Munchak (Hall-of-Famer) and Bruce Matthews (likely Hall-of-Famer). Who off of Indy's lines looks like a Hall-of-Famer? Not Tarik "Mr. False Start" Glenn, that's for sure.

[ACCBiggz]

Jason Taylor lost my defensive MVP vote today (not that I have one.) He basically was campaigning against Merriman saying that a player that failed a test shouldn't even be in the league, let alone getting awards. He also made one good point in saying that it is sending the wrong message, but in Merriman's case I don't see anything wrong with it. You have to look at everything on a case by case basis. Merriman took some supplements that got him in trouble and is sueing the company for not listing it on the bottle, and another guy on the Saints tested positive because of allergy medication. So I think Taylor is just trying to win the individual award and comes off very bad in his statements. I think they are petty and beneath him for being such a talented player.

[NobBe Nobbs]

Jason Taylor lost my defensive MVP vote today (not that I have one.) He basically was campaigning against Merriman saying that a player that failed a test shouldn't even be in the league, let alone getting awards. He also made one good point in saying that it is sending the wrong message, but in Merriman's case I don't see anything wrong with it. You have to look at everything on a case by case basis. Merriman took some supplements that got him in trouble and is sueing the company for not listing it on the bottle, and another guy on the Saints tested positive because of allergy medication. So I think Taylor is just trying to win the individual award and comes off very bad in his statements. I think they are petty and beneath him for being such a talented player.

[livid]

Yeah I read the article too and just wondered why the hell you would say that publicly. Yeah, his point would be well taken if Merriman's suspension was just him taking steroids, but it isn't. I've never liked Taylor, I thought he was good, but people gave him too much credit. And my vote still would've gone to Merriman because even missing four games, he's tied for the league lead in sacks.