Best Star Trek Series

[Mick]

I honestly had no idea people liked DS9 that much.

But c'mon, TNG all the way! Captain. FUCKING. Picard.

Is a pussy next to Sisko. I'm sorry, he is. Sisko poisoned a planet just to catch a guy. Picard would sit there and think "Well damn," while Data comes up with some technobabble plan on how they can catch him. Sisko? "FINE! YOU WANT TO PLAY THIS WAY, MIKE, FINE! WORF, IRRADIATE THE GODDAMN ATMOSPHERE! "

Well, comparing TNG to DS9...

TNG's early seasons were just horrid. You had Wesley being jammed down your throat, and he got annoying, fast. The early episodes with the Ferengi were just bleh, and it really felt like they were trying to recapture the original series, which is fine, the only problem is that it's twenty years after the show aired.

The problems I have with TNG is that it's just such a cheery and downright pompous view of the future. When we're not cruising around the galaxy, mankind spends it days 'bettering themselves', which is fine, but for the grew of the Enterprise-D, this consists of talking about how great Dickens is and playing classical musical. Would it have been so terrible to at least have one rock song being listened to?

DS9's first season was meh as well, because they were really trying to discover who the characters were. Watching the second season, you see Quark negotiating with this race from the Gamma Quadrant. He wants 10,000 things of their product, they can only give him 5,000. Why? "Because the Dominion won't allow 10,000!" they say. Who's this Dominion and why do they care?

I loved the story arcs. I liked that how something that happened in the previous episode would affect the next one, and so on and so forth, as well as the rich recurring cast. TNG and Voyager didn't have that at all. Yes, some characters showed back up (Q, for instance), but this was limited to a villian or some kind of higher up. Or in Voyager's case, another annoying kid.

And now a story of two parents.

Dr. Crusher and Ben Sisko.

Both are widowed, left with a young son that they have to care for. Dr. Crusher really just didn't seem to give that much of a damn about Wesley. Gates McFadden left the show, Wesley stays on board....this is good parenting how? Meanwhile, you have Sisko, who's dealing with all the shit that he has to, and on top of that, he's trying to raise Jake.

On DS9 you see more of who the people are, which is something you rarely see at all on TNG, other than the aforementioned Dickens and Classical Music. Voyager at least continued the trend with the hobbies and the character flaws.

TOS is untouchable in my eyes. I mean, it's TOS, and it took place in the 60s. These flaws are something I can ignore.

Enterprise was....not enjoyable for me. I have no problems with them exploring, it's the first of a new kind of ship, etc.

So why did we need the fucking Borg and Ferengi? Oh, and the Augments. Yeah, didn't make sense to me.

DS9 was a great series in it's own right but it really doesn't give anything new other than the station. Also the title is star TREK, DS9 didn't trek very far.

They did the trek in the very first episode when the went to the Gamma Quadrant. Besides, after you met the Dominion, how willing to trek into the Gamma Quadrant would you be

As for the movies....

I hate TMP, feels too much like an original series episode to me.

Khan through Voyage Home is awesome.

Final Frontier. Mmmm, yeah. I feel bad for William Shatner. You'd think that after 2, 3 and 4, that they'd be more willing to make good Star Trek movies, but from what I understand, Star Trek V was just a total clusterfuck from the word go.

Undiscovered Country really brought it back to where it should be.

Generations is not really that bad. It's basically just a long version of a TNG episode, with a dash of DS9 flavoring thrown in. People have fucking problems in this movie. Picard is a total mess over his nephew and brother dying, and Data is just running amok. Geordi gets tortured, and oh yeah, they're dealing with a psychotic Malcolm McDowell.

The Duras sisters sucked as villains for the movie. They had already played their role out in TNG, so really at this point they only exist as something for the Enterprise to blow up.

First Contact was awesome.

Insurrection is....well, I don't know. It was fun to watch, didn't care much for the romance subplot, but you get a lot of development in it. Riker and Troi finally get back together, Geordi gets his eyes (temporarily) back, the characters needed it. It was also nice to see Starfleet being the bad guy as well. Yes, we had the Son'a, but at least we got to see that humanity wasn't perfect, and in spite of how warm and fuzzy the Federation wants to portray itself, corruption still exists.

Nemesis...

Okay. I'll take the Romulans being the insidious fuckers they are and creating a Picard clone to infiltrate Star Fleet. And hey, the Romulans are good guys now, remember? They helped out in DS9 as the Alpha Quadrant took it's stand against the Dominion. It fits them perfectly.

The big problem I see is that while Picard was a hell of a captain, he didn't really strike me as a military genius. All the shit Picard pulled off was because of the people he had around him, which happened to be the best of the best. If you watch All Good Things, if Picard was really the genius the movie made Shinzon out to be, why did Picard need to gather facts from all three time periods to figure it out? Oh, Data explained it in one time period, that's why.

Now they throw in B4, Data's retarded older brother who's totally innocent yet unwillingly fucks things up. Okay, fine. I saw the trailer and saw the head, and I though " LORE!", but it wasn't to be, sadly.

The big problem with Nemesis is that it borrowed too much from The Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country. You have an evil genius mastermind with an ultimate doomsday weapon, a ship that can fire while cloaked, and not one by TWO clones of two major characters running around. So, whatever.

The only thing Nemesis really did right was cutting the scene with Wil Wheaton

At least Riker finally moved on his with his life.

As for the new movie...well, they did a good job explaining it. They didn't imply anything, they flat out say "This is an alternate reality.", and Spock more or less says "Well, this means we're changed forever,".

I enjoyed it a lot. The only minor issue I have is Kirk being promoted right to Captain at the end of the movie. I mean, he's not just given the Enterprise, he's promoted to the rank of Captain. That's not a bad jump for someone that, before he got on board, hadn't even graduated from the Academy yet.

So yeah, thanks for reading my rambling thoughts about Trek.

[ChrisSteeleAteMyHamster]

Next Generation got excellent after a couple of series.

DS9 had a.....darker or more grown up feel I guess but I still can't stand all the Ferenghi.

Ergo, Next Gen is my personal favourite, probably because it's what was on at 6pm on BBC2 when I was eating dinner after high school.