EWR 2015 Relationship Suggestions

[jupiterhill]

As I mentioned last year and many times before, I feel some of the relationships in the game should be deleted. Over time some of these have either been changed, or no longer apply. One of the biggest to me is the Friendship relationship. I understand some, but for the most part, people won't get drop morale or threaten to quit if some of these wrestlers were fired. Just like in any job, you create friendships with co-workers, some stronger than others. When workers are fired you may be a bit upset, but unless they are best friends with you it is unlikely you would leave too or get to a point where you refuse to work. So I decided to go through and suggest some friendships to be deleted. I'm posting this as a seperated thread because this could be long debated, and I don't feel we should clog up the board for the current months suggestions for something most may not agree with. In some cases I will explain why I picked these. I am going in a random order so none are more important than others.

Christian/Rhino- Friends, but haven't worked in the same company for a while, not booking gigs based on where each other works
Edge/Rhino
Edge/Joe E. Legend
Christian/Joe E. Legend
Rhino/Joe E. Legend
Amy Dumas/Jeff Hardy
Amy Dumas/Shane Helms- Amy rarely does wrestling anymore, I doubt either would have a problem working with each other.
Amy Dumas/Shannon Moore
Amy Dumas/Christian York
Amy Dumas/Joey Mercury
Shawn Michaels/Scott Hall- neither really mention each other these days, more of a friends group, but no anger if a fed fired one or the other.
Sean Waltman/Shawn Michaels
Matt Hyson/Paul Heyman- since Hyson retired, a loyalty isn't too needed, and doubt either would walk out over either being released.
Goldberg/Kevin Nash
Goldberg/Mr.McMahon- besides personal opinion of Goldberg being a jerk, I doubt either would be upset if they worked in the same company.
Goldberg/Steve Austin
Edge/Chavo Guerrero
Edge/Rey Mysterio
Kurt Angle/Chavo Guerrero
Kurt Angle/Rey Mysterio
Dr. Luther/Chris Jericho- who is Dr. Luther? It could be a warrented friendship, but not too likely
Edge/Sean Morley
Al Snow/Mick Foley- No doubt friends, but unless one was wrongly terminated (which isn't a big issue in game) both would understand its only business.
Mick Foley/Vader
Terry Funk/Vader
Steve Austin/William Regal
Mick Foley/William Regal
Triple H/William Regal
Marty Jannetty/Shawn Michaels
Goldberg/Booker T
Goldberg/The Rock
Shane McMahon/Steve Blackman
William Regal/U-Gene


I'm just stopping there for now. There are many more, but I just wanted to get the ball rolling. I understand many of these will be disputed, but I think a lot would fall under "Business Friendships". In which case, in the wrestling business, wrestlers come and go often, rarely do friends want to leave with them.

I think many retired wrestlers could have a lot of their friendships removed (with some exceptions of course), especially the ones who haven't wrestled regularly in the past decade. I know this will take time, but I think if we clean this up, it could really get people back into the game, as the load time when the game first begins is getting crazy long.

[=BK=]

Dr.Luther is one of Jericho's good friends. Jericho talks about him in his books. Iirc they occasionly were able to get each other work.

[Skummy]

The relationship stuff has always been problematic, as you can make a strong case for a lot of these being significant relationships, but whether they'd be significant enough to affect workers' morale they do in the game is obviously up for debate; I think there's a very small number of relationships that would be true for, and I'm completely against how a lot of stats updates operate - or at least used to - where being on Colt Cabana's podcast is enough to merit a friendship relationship with him, and a mention of sharing a car with someone in a shoot interview means you're best friends.

However, I'll speak for a couple of those...

While it seems very unlikely that Edge, Christian or Rhino would quit a promotion over their treatment of Joe E. Legend, Joe was best man at Rhino's wedding, and considers Christian to be his best friend - their families are very close in addition to the two having trained and worked together. So I think it would improve morale if one of those guys got hired, so probably is worth keeping at least those relationships.

I'd remove Goldberg/McMahon - Goldberg's problems, as he's explained them in interviews, are very much with Triple H, not so much Vince.

Triple H/Regal should absolutely remain friends. It's a strong friendship and working relationship dating back to WCW.

[Reflecto Is My Favorite Poster]

The relationship stuff has always been problematic, as you can make a strong case for a lot of these being significant relationships, but whether they'd be significant enough to affect workers' morale they do in the game is obviously up for debate; I think there's a very small number of relationships that would be true for, and I'm completely against how a lot of stats updates operate - or at least used to - where being on Colt Cabana's podcast is enough to merit a friendship relationship with him, and a mention of sharing a car with someone in a shoot interview means you're best friends.

However, I'll speak for a couple of those...

While it seems very unlikely that Edge, Christian or Rhino would quit a promotion over their treatment of Joe E. Legend, Joe was best man at Rhino's wedding, and considers Christian to be his best friend - their families are very close in addition to the two having trained and worked together. So I think it would improve morale if one of those guys got hired, so probably is worth keeping at least those relationships.

I'd remove Goldberg/McMahon - Goldberg's problems, as he's explained them in interviews, are very much with Triple H, not so much Vince.

Triple H/Regal should absolutely remain friends. It's a strong friendship and working relationship dating back to WCW.

Even then, though, that ties to issues with "EWR" as a whole, not just the Relationship dynamic- EWR holds every promotion, no matter how big, in the same regard with each other. This really makes all the difference: Using that Rhyno/Edge/Christian quitting over Joe E. Legend- no, we can safely say that Edge or Christian wouldn't quit the WWE or TNA over their treatment of Joe E. Legend- but if it was, say, some shindy that fired Joe E. Legend from regular appearances, it's much more likely one of the three would say "Nah, if he's not going to be at the show, I really don't want to show up there either."

EWR, however, would put the smallest backyard promotion on the same benefits as the WWE- meaning that both things become unified.

[TheWho87]

I do agree in principle to the logic of removing some relationships, especally friendships and loyalties, in some cases these have been added based on "wrestler A has been pictured hanging out with wrestler B" or "wrestler A was trained by wrestler B". Not to say they are not true but it seems rather weak, for example I'm sure the people who went though Tough Enough wouldnt be that loyal to Al Snow these days, if that was they case some would have popped up in TNA.

I will always say that for EWR the love and blood relationships should always be added as they form a hard relationship that can be proved.

[Skummy]

The relationship stuff has always been problematic, as you can make a strong case for a lot of these being significant relationships, but whether they'd be significant enough to affect workers' morale they do in the game is obviously up for debate; I think there's a very small number of relationships that would be true for, and I'm completely against how a lot of stats updates operate - or at least used to - where being on Colt Cabana's podcast is enough to merit a friendship relationship with him, and a mention of sharing a car with someone in a shoot interview means you're best friends.

However, I'll speak for a couple of those...

While it seems very unlikely that Edge, Christian or Rhino would quit a promotion over their treatment of Joe E. Legend, Joe was best man at Rhino's wedding, and considers Christian to be his best friend - their families are very close in addition to the two having trained and worked together. So I think it would improve morale if one of those guys got hired, so probably is worth keeping at least those relationships.

I'd remove Goldberg/McMahon - Goldberg's problems, as he's explained them in interviews, are very much with Triple H, not so much Vince.

Triple H/Regal should absolutely remain friends. It's a strong friendship and working relationship dating back to WCW.

Even then, though, that ties to issues with "EWR" as a whole, not just the Relationship dynamic- EWR holds every promotion, no matter how big, in the same regard with each other. This really makes all the difference: Using that Rhyno/Edge/Christian quitting over Joe E. Legend- no, we can safely say that Edge or Christian wouldn't quit the WWE or TNA over their treatment of Joe E. Legend- but if it was, say, some shindy that fired Joe E. Legend from regular appearances, it's much more likely one of the three would say "Nah, if he's not going to be at the show, I really don't want to show up there either."

EWR, however, would put the smallest backyard promotion on the same benefits as the WWE- meaning that both things become unified.

It's also worth nothing that it's not just the negative morale effects of firing a friend, but the positive ones of hiring one that should be taken into consideration. Would Christian be angry enough with WWE firing Joe E. Legend that he'd be reluctant to continue working there? I doubt it. But would it cheer Christian up if WWE hired Joe E. Legend? Most probably yes.

[jupiterhill]

I agree with all of what has been said and the only reason I put so much with the Edge/Christian/Rhino/Joe E. Legend stuff is I started with the first relationship (the relationship listed as #1) and worked my way to #200 and that was just how it appeared. As I stated some of these are disputable but I wanted to make a starting point.

As mentioned from other people, the biggest problem in the game is would say Christian be mad if WWE fired Rhino vs. would he be mad if say ECWA fired him. Even then I still think it comes down to was it a justified firing or not. I will try to work on a new batch (probably the next 200 or so soon, and go from there). There are 7000 relationships in the game, I think even cutting 1000 of them would help a lot. Most of them are outdated anyways. I skipped over Blood Relative ones and Love ones for now and most of the focus is on friendship and dislike. I kept almost 85% of them in, but it is a continuous cycle. The biggest ones as mentioned earlier should be ones retired or older who make one off appearances or such (like say, Vader) that it won't hurt morale bringing him in for one or two shows.

Again, if there are more suggestions put them on here. I felt having a thread like this would help discuss them and then we could present a list on the monthly updates once most are in agreement so it wouldn't take up too many pages on there.

[SpanishMen]

Like I said it before, if we move some non-Wrestlers (basically the ones that works as ring announcers, and the ones that work more behind the cameras, as production members) to the 'Staff' section, I think that would help to cut a bunch of relationships. (Ex: Finlay, Dusty Rhodes, Lilian Garcia, etc.).

Edited April 20, 2015 by SpanishMen

[Dan B.]

I'd also like to see the Love relationship more strictly reserved for actual marriages (or well-established, multi-year relationships), rather than just who's-dating-who. That might cut down a bit.

[jupiterhill]

I went through the next 300. Again these were some I spotted, I skipped over ones I were largely unfamiliar with (like the Japanese and Mexican wrestlers). Some will be disputed, and that's fine. These are just my suggestions.

Big Vito/Glen Gilberti
Glen Gilberti/Rellik
Larry Zbyszko/Mr. McMahon
Rena Mero Lesnar/Stephanie McMahon- I'm not sure if there is still a dislike or if its warrented
Hulk Hogan/Edge
Jason Albert/Undertaker
Scott Hall/Savio Vega
Jeff Jarrett/Savio Vega
Sabu/Fidel Sierra
Carlos Colon/Hulk Hogan- I could be wrong, but haven't heard them mention each other in a while.
Bret Hart/Steve Austin- Friends sure but would either be pissed if other was fired? Plus I think most retired wrestlers friendships should be removed.
Hulk Hogan/Steve Austin
Mr. McMahon/Steve Austin- its listed as friendship, at this point it should be removed or made loyalty. They might be upset with each other currently but if they are really friends, they'll get over it.
2 Cold Scorpio/Steve Austin
Hulk Hogan/Sean Waltman
Shane Douglas/Road Warrior Animal-?
JT Smith/Paul Heyman- Doubt Heyman would walkout over JT being fired.
Mikey Whipwreck/Paul Heyman
Paul Heyman/Stevie Richards
911/Paul Heyman
Goldberg/Hulk Hogan
Bret Hart/Hulk Hogan- Do they still hate each other, if so then keep it in.
Chris Jericho/The Rock
Chris Jericho/Trish Stratus
Chris Jericho/Kane
CM Punk/Raven
Billy Gunn/The Rock
Big Show/Billy Gunn
Rick Steiner/Perry Saturn
Bret Hart/Undertaker
Christian/Trish Stratus
Lisa Moretti/Terri Runnels
Lisa Moretti/Trish Stratus
Terri Runnels/Trish Stratus
Daffney/Shark Boy
CM Punk/Daffney
Brian Kendrick/Daniel Bryan- are they still friends or just when they trained together?
Bobby Eaton/Mick Foley
Brian Christopher/The Rock
Nora Greenwald/Princ Iaukea
Mick Foley/Mikey Whipwreck
Mick Foley/Shark Boy
JBL/Mideon
Lodi/Raven
Lodi/Perry Saturn
Lollipop/Ron Harris- Loyalty? I don't know the story so I could be wrong.
Lizzy Borden/Hardcore Homo Angel
Justin Credible/Tony DeVito

For the most part people like Mick Foley and Nora Greenwald are usually referred to as really nice and I've never heard a negative thing about (besides Flair and Foley but they made up), so most of their friendships could be removed I think, with a few exceptions. I included JBL and Mideon because I'm not sure the other would stick their neck out if they were fired. I kept Undertaker and Mideon in (though both are semi-retired wrestlers that could do without some relationships in game) because I feel Undertaker would take exception to quite a few guys being fired. As always disagreements are fine, I think discussions will help. If nobody disputes any, the ones not disputed I will suggest on the monthly one later in the month (in this case, I'd likely hold off until next month).

500 down, 7,122 left to go through. It might take a while.

[mkpunk]

I think Daffney and Shark Boy should have a friendship still. Shark Boy allowed Daffney to be Shark Girl both in TNA as his valet but later in SHIMMER as a standalone. I doubt Daffney would just do a gimmick like that on her own.

Austin-McMahon should be friends even though they have their issues every few months.

[=BK=]

Punk seems like the kinda guy to get pissy over his friends at any level. I know Daffney is supposed to be one of his good friends.

[jupiterhill]

Okay, so before I go onto the next batch, let's update. Out of all the ones I've suggested so far, these are the ones disputed.

Chris Jericho/Dr. Luther
Triple H/William Regal
Joe E. Legend/Rhino
Joe E. Legend/Christian
Daffney/Shark Boy
Steve Austin/Mr. McMahon
CM Punk/Daffney

I'm okay with leaving them in, at the least just for now. That's not to say that others are debateable, but those are the ones listed. Next week if there are no more suggestions for just the ones listed so far (the first 500 listed in the game), I will suggest them for removal on the monthly suggestions board.

I'll wait until then to post the next batch just so there isn't a lot of confusion. I think from here on out I'll go through 500 at a time for suggestions, and then allow time for comments before posting them on the page.

[jupiterhill]

While I'm waiting for the next update to make the suggestions, I made a list of the next ones for discussion. I won't add these to the suggestions until there has been time to talk about them.

CM Punk/Jimmy Jacobs
Jeff Hardy/Kirby Mack
Steve Corino/Rapid Fire Maldonado
Sho Funaki/Steve Austin
Sho Funaki/Shawn Michaels
Kevin Nash/Madusa
Mick Foley/Scotty The Hotty
Kazarian/Joey Ryan
Kazarian/Scott Lost
Roadkill/Amy Dumas- Dislike? Curious on that story, is it still the case or worth keeping?
Glenn Gilberti/Raven
Lizzy Valentine/Mickie James
Billy Gunn/Hardcore Holly
Chyna/Mick Foley
Dusty Rhodes/Glacier
Gorgeous George/Nora Greenwald- Loyalty?
Dusty Rhodes/Sonny Siaki
Dusty Rhodes/Jorge Estrada
CM Punk/Johnny Kashmere
Kane/Stevie Richards
Bully Ray/Edge
Devon/Edge
Kane/Rob Van Dam
Matt Cross/Super Dragon-still relevant?
Josh Prohibition/CM Punk
Josh Prohibition/Colt Cabana
Mick Foley/Raven
Chuck Palumbo/Rellik
Rellik/Shawn Stasiak
Rellik/Marco Corleone
Rellik/Mike Sanders
Rellik/Reno
Chris Jericho/Black Dragon- not sure on this one.
Daffney/Devon Storm
Gail Kim/Nora Greenwald
Veronica Caine/Scott Snot
Hardcore Holly/Taylor Vaughn
Kevin Nash/Steve Austin
Marco Corleone/Maven Huffman
Marco Corleone/Kevin Nash
Marco Corleone/Steve Austin
Bull Schmitt/Trevor Murdock
Hulk Hogan/Kevin Nash
Hulk Hogan/Scott Hall
Kevin Nash/Glen Gilberti
Kevin Nash/Mike Sanders
Jeremy Lopez/Tony Mamaluke
Jeremy Lopez/Jimmy Rave
Jeremy Lopez/Kaz Hayashi
Big Vito/Buff Bagwell
Hardcore Holly/Mick Foley
Gillberg/Sting- Dislike?
Gillberg/Mickie James
Devon Storm/David Flair
Perry Saturn/Terri Runnels- is it worthy to keep in?
Chris Jericho/R-Truth
R-Truth/Matt Hardy
Mick Foley/Stacy Keibler
Eric Bischoff/Stacy Keibler
Mick Foley/2 Cold Scorpio
Goldylocks/Chris Harris
Kid Kash/Jazz

At this point this puts me at relationship 1000 out of 7000 plus. As before, some of these could still be relevant, but I think they could be removed.

On a side note I started a new game the other day having removed all the relationships from the game, and while not as long, it still took quite a while to load. So I know the relationships isn't the only thing slowing the start time but it does help removing the ones not needed.

[mkpunk]

The beef with Roadkill and Lita was Lita puked in Roadkill's van once during her ECW run and Roadkill got royally pissed over it. No idea if he ever got over it but he wasn't that fond of her. This was in Lita's book.

That's the only one I know of in that list that is relevant because Dusty gave Sonny and Jorge breaks after WCW shut down with TCW and then opportunities in NWA-TNA. I don't think Dusty was in WWE when Sonny got signed but I can be wrong.

[IDOL]

Billy Gunn and Hardcore Holly are good friends, Holly said in his book that Billy is one of the only people he keeps contact with

[Skummy]

A lot of these are relationships based on road stories from over a decade ago, and probably should be cut out. As bitter and capable of holding a grudge as I'm sure CM Punk is, I doubt he still gives a single shit about friendships or petty fallings out from IWA: Mid South or whatever.

[Noah]

I demand the keeping on any friendships in the game that Daffney has with the wrestlers tattooed around her waist.

Those are awesome tatts man!

[NJTNAFan]

For ever relationship you delete, there will be another one to replace it. Eddie Edwards and Lexxus (Alisha Inacio) got married, Davey Richards and Angelina Love are engaged

[TheWho87]

Well if you remove 1000+ unjustifiable/unneeded relationships it will take a while to replace them with logical justifiable ones, that is unless those damn samoan start breeding like rabbits. If that occurs I think we might as well just say fuck it and delete them the relationships.