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Yes, but they don't require an army of Academy Award nominated screen writers, or the Lee Danielses or Roman Polanskis of the world in order to be successful, or even good. Both Batman Begins and Iron Man have pretty simple scripts, and weren't exactly helmed by literary or visionary geniuses (some may say Nolan is, but Batman Begins isn't anything special, and even he wasn't a 100% sure thing when he was hired). By "not taking it seriously", I mean not taking the subject matter to heart. More Iron Man, less TDK, basically. Captain America doesn't exactly lend itself well to a TDK-esque film, from what I know about the character/stories. Since Marvel is so involved in this project, and since they understand that, if this doesn't go well, their Avengers movie may be fucked, I trust their decisions. As I've said, they haven't given me a reason not to. And yeah, Marvel has only been directly involved in the production of the Iron Man and Incredible Hulk movies. Their only connection to the other movies is only that they are about Marvel characters, that's it.

There are countless simple, stupid movies released every year. There are countless quality actors who have stupid, simply credits on their resume. That doesn't disqualify them as good actors, or ban them from ever doing any project worth a thing later on in their career. If the guys at Marvel think Chris Evans is the best choice for what they want to bring to this project, then I trust them. They haven't given me a reason not to so far. Same thing with Joe Johnston. Is it ideal? No, but fuck it. Since their big play here is the Avengers movie, do you really think they'd put this movie into the hands of people who they didn't think would accomplish what they wish to do with this movie? There's also plenty of movies that should have been good that turned out to be shit or, in the case of family movies, as they are so hit & miss, could have been hits that turned out to be bombs. Are we blaming the failures of those projects on Chris Evans now? I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, and out of all the possible choices to play Captain America, he looks like one of the better ones. But, we clearly have different expectations for mindless, Summer blockbuster movies, so whatever. Out of curiosity, who would you rather they got to play him?

lol, what's wrong with Cellular? It doesn't try to be anything it isn't, and that's from.. what, 2004, anyways? That was before most people even knew who Chris Evans was, lol. He's getting some quality roles now, and has been since Sunshine.. he's also the best choice for Captain America out of all the listed names. Dude's quality. Huge Weaving's money, too. And so what if Joe Johnston's doing this? Terminator Salvation and G.I. Joe (especially G.I. Joe) both ended up being watchable (and awesome, in GI Joe's case). This is a stupid, mainstream, summer blockbuster. Best case scenario is they don't take the project too seriously, and it becomes the next Iron Man. And who the hell is Wilson Bethel? I don't remember him on The Wire.. Wow. Where to start... Cellular was box office garbage. It wasn't even a brainless popcorn movie. The acting was bad and the action was sluggish. Not to mention that it was a simple concept that they didn't do anything creative with. Apart from that, let's get into Chris Evans since Sunshine (which I haven't seen, but hear it's fine.) He did the second Fantastic Four (awful), The Nanny Diaries (lawl), Street Kings (LAAAAAAAWL), and Push (wow, fuck off.) He did voicework for a movie called Terra which I hadn't even heard about and Loss of a Teardrop Diamond which was virtually panned by everyone and their mother. Decent roles? Methinks not. So is he quality? Far from it. Now, onto Joe Johnston. Can you tell me what he had to do at all with Terminator Salvation and GI Joe? The fact is, both of those moneys are in another league of crap, but thankfully, the man didn't do anything with those movies. Terminator was McG and GI Joe was Stephen Sommers. Joe Johnston was at least fun at the beginning of his career with Jumanji. I enjoyed The Pagemaster, Honey, I Shrunk The Kids, and The Rocketeer as a kid. Then had a huge falling with me considering Jurassic Park III was pretty damn awful, and proceeded to suck at every movie he did since. Hidalgo was trash, October Sky even worse, and The Wolfman was a bad movie with entertaining values. So, in conclusion, fuck off. What the fuck's with the hostility? Holy shit. Again, Cellular's a simple, stupid movie, but it's not like anybody was expecting it to break $100 million or sweep some award shows or anything, who cares? Sunshine's a good movie, I'm guessing he was contractually obliged to do the second Fantastic Four (but who wants money, and to be in a summer blockbuster, right?), there was a point in time when Street Kings was considered to legitly be the next Training Day, back when it was known as The Night Watchman, and Evans is one of the few things in that movie that was half decent. Push could have easily of been a decent action flick if it would've fallen in a better directors' hands. Terra and Nanny Diaries both gave him some pretty big checks, I'm guessing. But again, god forbid an actor tries to get some money, right? I just brought those up as recent examples of when fanbases go into meltdown mode just because what they perceived to be a useless director gets attached their projects; Terminator Salvation & GI Joe are fine for what they are. Are they masterpieces, and will they break the top 10 of IMDB's list or whatever the fuck? No, but they're not absolutely terrible films, either. They accomplished what they set out to do, and didn't kid themselves into taking the projects too seriously. It's just a comic book movie to rake in the millions during the summer, dude. Chill out. They're not going to want to bring in Kathryn Bigelow & Russell Crowe, or some shit. Marvel's earned at least that much by now, haven't they?

It absolutely was. Again, the movie didn't try to be anything it wasn't. It knew it was a corny, stupid, empty summer movie, so it just said "fuck it" and kicked shit into overdrive. It entertained me for the hour and a half or two hours or whatever, and seeing Joseph Gordon Levitt evil it up was pretty awesome.

lol, what's wrong with Cellular? It doesn't try to be anything it isn't, and that's from.. what, 2004, anyways? That was before most people even knew who Chris Evans was, lol. He's getting some quality roles now, and has been since Sunshine.. he's also the best choice for Captain America out of all the listed names. Dude's quality. Huge Weaving's money, too. And so what if Joe Johnston's doing this? Terminator Salvation and G.I. Joe (especially G.I. Joe) both ended up being watchable (and awesome, in GI Joe's case). This is a stupid, mainstream, summer blockbuster. Best case scenario is they don't take the project too seriously, and it becomes the next Iron Man. And who the hell is Wilson Bethel? I don't remember him on The Wire..

You don't watch a lot of Lions game, do you? Detroit, in no way, should pass Suh. They blew the chance last year taking a OT when they took Pettigrew. The Lions defense needs to be looked at more than the offensive line right now. If Suh is gone, maybe take Okung or Davis (because I don't trust the franchise with a project like McCoy), but if Suh's there, you take him. Yes I do, and I've seen Stafford get totally abused behind that line. I know Schwartz wanted to build a strong, smashmouth team, but they should work with the cards' they've been dealt, and that means focusing the team around Stafford & Johnson for the forseeable future. They shouldn't take an OT because they didn't take one last year? That's stupid. Davis? You don't watch a lot of college football, do you? Davis is terrible, he shouldn't even be a first round pick. And project? McCoy? Yeah, nevermind. Just answered my own question. But holy shit, I don't want to do this again. I've explained why I like Okung for them, so I'll just leave it at that.

Me neither; Bulaga's nothing special, like I said. But, a lot of these front offices make silly decisions and Pioli in particular has shown that he's willing to reach if he likes a prospect. Tyson Jackson wan't much coming out of college, either - he had about the same range as Bulaga, but Pioli went right ahead and picked him up #3 overall anyways. No reason to think he won't do the same if Okung isn't there.

I'm guessing the Chiefs take Bulaga. There's the Kirk Ferentz-Bill Belichick connection at play, and Bulaga seems like the type of technically-sound, hard working player that Scott Pioli would fall in love with. I really don't think he'll be anything special, but he just makes the most sense for Pioli.

And I'm of the belief that the Lions should take Okung. They're on the cusp of having an elite, aerial offense. If they don't want Stafford to wind up with with David Carr Syndrome (or just seriously fucking injured), they need to get him some protection, especially when your LT will be going up against Jared Allen, Julius Peppers and Clay Matthews six games out of the year. You take Okung, slide Backus to the LG spot, and shift their current LG to the RG (I forgot his name, but he's a damn good run blocker and would be a better fit on the strongside). That's upgrading three positions at the crucial offensive line with one pick, including getting an LT for the next decade. They should have taken either Michael Oher and William Beatty last year. There's no reason for them to have taken Pettigrew over Oher, it was stupid, and now they have to pay for it by skipping on either McCoy or Suh. But whatever, I think they've actually realized this themselves, which explains the Corey Williams trade. EDIT - And all of this, of course, means Tampa'll cream their pants as they'll actually get to choose between Suh/McCoy. They're probably pick Suh, but I personally think McCoy fits the Tampa Two better. EDIT2 - And where's all this talk about Suh being the 'safe pick' coming from? I don't think he'll bust, but I can't in good conscious call a {slightly} overrated DT who's had multiple knee surgeries a safe pick after Dorsey. If anything, I think Eric Berry is the "safest pick" in the draft, if there is such a thing. Elite talent, no injury concerns, capable of playing SS or FS in just about any system.. EDIT3 - whoa wtf, apparently Charles Davis and I think the same thing. Am I going to have to start smiling uncontrollably now, too?

http://chud.com/articles/articles/23025/1/GET-A-BEAD-ON-THE-PREDATORS-TRAILER/Page1.html And holy shit, do I want to see this.

Obviously. But whatever, this is has gotten stupid and pointless. Has been for a while, we're obviously not going to change each other's minds. To be fair, I am a former DT and we NEVER get the chance to shine. And hate QBs. It's genetic. lol, that's pretty awesome. McCoy and Suh'll both do some great things in the NFL, I'm sure. I do like McCoy a bit more than Suh, but they're really just "1A" and "1B" this year (alongside Eric Berry, another tremendous defensive talent). I'm just a big fan of when DTs/3-4 DE's are great pass rushers. It's why I'm such a big fan of Dockett/Starks/Ratliff (and Calais Campbell's pretty great, too).

Obviously. But whatever, this is has gotten stupid and pointless. Has been for a while, we're obviously not going to change each other's minds.

WHAT talent, though? He had his receivers, and Manti Te'o. That is it. Who else is on that team worth a damn? Buck is right - they have gotten top recruiting classes (because Rivals/Scout/etc. aren't known to mysteriously add a star or two to a player's rank when they sign with a big name school, right?), but that staff was absolutely terrible at developing and making them anything more than overhyped recruits. Clausen did absolutely everything in his power so that they could win, but time and again his defense (and offense line, and running backs, and, in the case of the USC game, his Tight Ends) let him down. Again, you would have a valid point if they lost games because of Clausen, or if Clausen crumbled under pressure, but the simple fact of the matter is that Clausen was the sole reason they were 6-6, and in it in most games until the very end in the first place; that squad was easily the worst out of all of big name programs, and worst than a good majority of D1 schools, period. They gave up 23 points to Navy, for fuck's sake, since you love bringing them up so much. EDIT - I actually went ahead and looked up some more stats from the Navy/ND game, and I think they prove my point far more than any post I can come up with. Starting RB Armando Allen missed the game due to injury, and while he's not the player many expected him to be, it still means something when the starting RB is out. Consequently, ND only mustered 60 rushing yards. Navy, on the other hand, ran it for 348 yards. Clearly, due to their gimmicky offense, they're expected to put up big numbers, but that is still an embarssing total. Also, they gave up a 52 yard TD to Ricky Dobbs, one of only 6 passing TDs he threw all season. Navy only converted 46.2% of their third downs (compared to ND's 55.6%), yet held the ball 32:19 compared to ND's 27:41. With under two minutes left in the game, Jimmy Clausen was sacked on back to back plays, including once in the endzone for a safety. With under a minute in the game, he threw a 34 yard TD to Golden Tate to get them within 2 points of winning. Unfortunately, the ensuing onside kick was kicked out of bounds, and with mere seconds left on the clock, there wasnt much to do. Speaking of kicks, ND also had 2 missed FG's in this game - either one of which, obviously, would have given them the win at the end. Oh, and here's the kicker. Jimmy Clausen's stats for the day? 37-of-52 for 452 yards, 2 touchdowns and 1 interception. That's an 8.9 yard per attempt, and a 72.5% completion rating. In other words, despite the complete ineptness of his surrounding cast, Clausen still crushed Navy's defense, as would be expected. So quit with your repetitive "couldn't even beat Navy" non-sense, as I've been saying, he did absolutely everything in his power to win them the game, but his teammates, time after time, let him down.

Kolb isn't getting dealt, Vick is a glorified Wildcat QB (and a shit one at that), and McNabb likely only has about 3-4 years of productivity left.. the Rams likely won't be in a position to seriously compete until in about 3-4 years; what's the point? And regardless, I believe he only has one year left on his deal, which more or less means McNabb has "veto" power for any potential trade. The only teams that make much sense for him at this point are Arizona or, if Favre doesn't return, the Vikings, as they're the only ones built up to the point of being post-season ready who (might) need a new QB.

It's the nepotism, man. The fuckin' nepotism.

Again, the only players worth anything on that Notre Dame team were Jimmy Clausen, Michael Floyd, Golden Tate and Manti Te'o. Clausen was hurt all season, yet still played his ass off. Floyd was hurt, as well, and missed a handful of games because of it (during which Clausen stepped up his game, as the article I linked earlier to notes). Tate is overrated, but has a good enough skillset to be a demon in college. And Manti Te'o, the only defender, is a freshman linebacker. There's not many quarterbacks who can win when teams don't respect the running game, and can do as they please to the defense. And again, though Clausen was their starting quarterback, they didn't lose because of him; to place the blame for their poor record squarely on his shoulders, as you are doing, is dumb. He is a hard worker (in the gym, on the field, and in the tape room) who, when the going got tough, stepped up his game and attempted to motivate the players around him, as well. How is that not a leader? He didn't crumble under pressure; I can't think of a single game in which he completely imploded, even after his defense regularly gave up 30+ points to any half-decent team. Yes, I agree. If the Rams fuck this up, then they're fucked for the next half decade. Although I think Clausen will be a good NFL quarterback (Bradford is a larger mystery, and I'm not 100% sold on him - I love his accuracy and ultra-quick release, but there are too many questions concerning him for me to argue on why he should be taken 1st overall, or over Clausen), I'm not saying the Rams should take Clausen or Bradford "just cuz". Those executives will get to know these players a lot better than me and you ever will, all I am saying is that if St. Louis thinks either one of them have the potential to turn into "their guy", then they absolutely must pull the trigger, Suh be damned. And at this point, nothing I've seen, read or heard leads me to believe Clausen doesn't have the potential to be "that guy" for a team.

You've missed the entire point of my argument. I brought up the teams I did, because they are the teams with the most sustained, consistent success year in and year out because of their elite quarterbacks. I don't care how Brady or Manning played in the playoffs, or in the Super Bowl; they would not have been in the positions to even reach the Super Bowl/playoffs all of those years had it not been for them, and that is the point I am making. Getting a franchise quarterback in this year's draft class won't guarantee the Rams (or anybody else) a Super Bowl, but it puts them in the best possible situation to reach one. Teams need to take franchise quarterbacks however they can get them. Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, etc. are all, for the most part, blind fucking luck, and we can spend all day listing every elite, Pro Bowl-caliber player at every single position that was chosen after the 3rd round, DTs included. No, choosing a QB in the top 10 picks isn't the only way to get franchise signal callers, but is the best way to go about it. Again, if the Rams think Bradford or Clausen have the potential to be "that guy" for them, they NEED to pull the trigger. What do you not get about this? The chances of them blindly stumbling into a 10-15 year franchise quarterback later in the draft are minuscule at best. What is your biggest reason for not liking Jimmy Clausen? The fact that his team didn't win, and that he is cocky? Wow. Yeah, because those are the best ways to evaluate individual prospects in a team game, right? This is the same exact argument Lions fans brought up before, and Atlanta fans before them. It's illogical and short-sighted.

Oh, right. It was Arizona's great defense that brought them more post-season success in the past 2 years than in the past 30. It's because of the vaunted Colts' defense that they've one of the top 3 team of the past decade. It's because of their defense and amazing running games, NOT Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady that the Steelers and Patriots split 5 Super Bowls between them this decade (don't get me wrong, they did have great defenses, but they would not have accomplished what they did had it not been for their quarterbacks). This isn't the 60's and 70's anymore, it isn't even the 80's. Ever since the Colts got the NFL to change up their rules regarding the passing game, it's been a passing and quarterbacks league. Name me one team that was genuinely, consistently successful since the Colts got the rules changed without a franchise quarterback. Even the fuckin' Ravens had to change their philosophy, and are now on the verge of being an offensive juggernaut, because the old ways just wasn't cutting it. The top three quarterbacks in the game right now are Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. They are terrible athletes compred to JaMarcus Russell, and Sam Bradford/Jimmy Clausen are nothing like JaMarcus. How the fuck could you even compare them? Oh, and if there were "franchise" QB's, everybody would know about them? You do realize even Peyton Manning had his detractors, right? You do realize Tom Brady was a fucking 5th round pick, right? Mike Mayock was really the only one high up on Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco was a late 1st/2nd round prospect by most accounts, right? You remember Aaron Rodgers fell to the 20's of the 1st round, correct? The draft isn't a perfect science. "Vastly superior talent"? Jimmy Clausen, Michael Floyd, Golden Tate, Manti Te'o. That's it. Those are the only players on the Notre Dame team last year worth a damn, and Manti Te'o is a freshman. A quarterback, no matter how great, can't do it all by himself, especially when your local high school probably sports a better defense than what Notre Dame had out there last year. Again, it's only because of Clausen that Notre Dame was even in the majority of their games 'til the end. Had he had even a half-decent defense, that team would've been the 10-game winning, bowl-eligible team many people pegged them to be. To say Jimmy Clausen is a bad quarterback because his team was terrible is absolutely, 100% retarded. You're a moron. I'm the farthest thing from a Notre Dame fan; but that doesn't mean I can't respect the great prospects that they have. I think Michael Floyd is the best wide receiver in next year's draft class, too. Oh shit, I'm definitely a Domer!! Peyton Manning wasn't Peyton Manning when he came out of college, either. Remember, he had "already reached his full potential". There is no such thing as a perfect quarterback prospect, and there never will be. If the Rams think there is any possibility that either Bradford or Clausen could become "that guy", they need to pull the trigger. They don't have any other options if they hope to become relevant within the next 5 years.

Even if Suh had 90+ tackles, 4 forced fumbles and 14 sacks in a season, that won't mean shit if the team isn't winning. Potential Hall of Fame players, period, are hard to find. That doesn't make defensive tackle any more vital of a position than quarterback in terms of long-term success, especially in today's pass-friendly NFL world. No, Sam Bradford is not the consensus best QB in this draft. He isn't even my top QB (Clausen is, obviously), and I'm not arguing that the Rams should draft Bradford. I'm saying that, if the Rams think there is any quarterback in this draft capable of becoming a franchise quarterback, they need to pull the trigger. And the best DT since Warren Sapp? That's funny; Suh isn't even the DT most like Warren Sapp in this draft. Suh is a physical specimen and a man amongst boys, but he relies on his pure, brute strength too much. Something tells me that won't play when everybody that double teams him is 6'4"+ and 300+ lbs. Gerald McCoy is the far better pass rusher in terms of his technique and burst. Oh, and btw, those stats I listed up there? Those are Cortez Kennedy's stats from 1992. The Seahawks went 2-14 that year. And, once again, that was before the NFL became such a pass-friendly league, and the need for true franchise QBs became so great in order to sustain long-term success. That's funny, I remember when Aaron Curry and Glenn Dorsey were "the best players in the draft" and "the safest picks". Where would Atlanta and Detroit be now if they had gone that route over Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford, respectively? Oh, and just like Dorsey, Suh's also had multiple knee surgeries. That doesn't guarantee he'll have a similar rookie season or career path, but still. Dan LeFevour is a poor man's Tim Tebow (with all the same issues, minus the elite intangibles), and Tony Pike is a poor man's Shaun Hill. Neither will lead the Rams to the playoffs in their career, or even to .500. And the absolute worst case scenario for the Rams is that you're right; Suh single-handedly allows the Rams to win 6-9 games a year for the remainder of his career. If that's the case, then they are absolutely out of the running of landing any further elite quarterbacks, and are now stuck in mediocrity hell. Say hi to the Bills for me. So the fact that Clausen can read a defense, can make any throw, is a true leader, and the hardest working player on his team are all instantly invalidated because he didn't face elite defenses week in and week out? That's stupid. Hell, watch any Michael Floyd/Golden Tate highlight reel (or full-length ND games) - Clausen doesn't loft the ball into the air, and has his better-than-the-defenders-covering-them receivers have to jump up, or down, or sideways, or make any major adjustments the majority of the time. He puts the balls exactly where it needs to go so that his receivers can catch it, uncontested, and in stride. Let me guess, you're referring to the limo incident from when he signed with Notre Dame? That was, what, three years ago? He hasn't had any other maturity-related incidents of that (or any) magnitude since then, and every single person who has worked with him has nothing but positives to say about the man's work ethic or leadership abilities. Ben Roethlisberger and Phillip Rivers are, by all accounts, total fucking egotistical douchebags. Does that suddenly make them bad quarterbacks, too? You can continue to not understand how the NFL functions nowadays, and short sell the importance of having a great quarterback, though. That's understandable.

Oh shit, totally the same situation! And no, Colt McCoy will not. He won't be drafted before the 5th round, if at all. He's terrible. McCoy, maybe not. But Bradford and Clausen will, guaranteed, and they've yet to throw an NFL pass. And Christ, Bradford is coming off shoulder surgery. I really don't see anything wrong with giving a guy who has been in the league and studied NFL teams for a few years a bigger contract than a rookie. And, I may be mistaken, but isn't it only a two-year deal? It's not like they signed Whitehurst to a five or seven year deal like Bradford and Clausen will get. Not to mention that he's been learning behind one of the better QBs in the league in Phillip Rivers and under one of the better offensive minds in the game in Norv Turner (not saying he's a great head coach) so it's not like he won't bring nothing to the table. And yeah, the contract really isn't that big. It's about on par to what the Vikings gave Rosenfels last offseason and he was the 3rd stringer on that team. Granted, he had thrown an NFL pass before but it's not like they were that good. Maybe Mysterio's just upset that Whitehurst chose Seattle over Arizona and now he's stuck with Derek Anderson instead. Are you kidding me? Have you see any of his games against the Titans (in 06 and 07) when Schaub was injured, anything from his run on Miami? The guy has had great games when coming from behind. You are not gonna tell me Whitehurst, who hasn't thrown a single pass in a reg. season game, is worth more or the same than someone who has proved that he could at least be a starter for sometime until the team finds the right QB. Whitehurst isn't worth that kind of money. But why are we arguing about this? It's already a done deal, let's move on. Yes, I have seen those games and I have also seen the other games he played in as a Texan and all that he proved was that he's Trent Dilfer. Now, there's nothing wrong with that because everybody could use a serviceable backup that can come in and be a decent stop gap until your #1 gets healthy or you're future #1 to sit and learn but he's nothing more than that. And for the record, the Bills game was his only good game as a Dolphin, otherwise he sucked pretty bad. So yeah, I would much rather pay $10M to a guy who, more than one team has viewed as having the potential to be a starter in the NFL, than a journeyman who's had a marginal amount of success when he's come off the bench for an injured starter. If nothing else, Whitehurst will become what Rosenfels is now and be a solid backup, in which case, he would be worth the money but he has the potential to be worth more than that, which is why the Seahawks made the deal and paid him the money. That's pay $10 million and give up a fringe 1st round draft pick for a quarterback who the Cardinals (who literally had Leinart, and then nobody) wanted to bring in to serve as his backup/competition if he faltered. Arizona, though, would only of given up one of their two 3rd round picks, and I doubt they would've given him $5 mil/year. Also, the Seahawks don't have the supporting cast that the Vikings have. Also, Sage Rosenfels was at least good enough to be the the back up for somebody, and actually showed enough skill that, as long as he didn't somehow fuck up handing the ball to AP, the Vikes would've still won the first seed in the NFC North. Also, what are Whitehurst's skills that make him worth that combination of draft picks and money to a team that needs to rebuild everywhere but at the LB positions? Also, Chris Miller is a pretty damn good QB coach, too. Should someone shell out a high 2nd round pick and $5 mil/year for Brian St. Pierre, AZ's 3rd string QB from last year? Or what about John Beck, Baltimore's 3rd string QB? Etc. It's just not a good business or football decision from Pete Carroll.

In other news, Mike Bellotti quit as Oregon's AD today to join ESPN. wat?. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5009981 EDIT - because triple posting is just lame, here are the 5 best and worst 10-yard splits from the combine, organized by position. Jesus christ Greg Hardy, could your fall from "elite pass rusher" to "injury prone slob" be any more sad?

Any word on how much Porter's deal is worth? AZ's had an offer out to him since Sunday/Monday, but he thought the money was too low so he went ahead and set up a visit with the Redskins, as well. I'm guessing the Redskins weren't willing to break the bank for him, either. I love the move, between he, Haggans, Brown and Will Davis, we are virtually set at OLB, and Rod Graves/Whisenunt has also set the team up so that they can take whoever the best player available is when we're on the clock. He still has some pass rushing skillz, and will be fine as a one or two year stop gap while Brown and Davis further develop. At the very least, he's an improvement over what we had opposite of Clark Haggans last year. And I'm guessing Brandon Marshall's stock has been killed by McDaniels and the Boldin trade. He is a known head case, and McDaniels wants him out ASAP, so why would a team bend over for him when he might either just get straight up cut or taken for a cheaper value later? And also, after Boldin got only a 3rd round pick, it doesn't make much sense giving up a high 1st for Marshall, due once again to his personality issues. The market simply isn't there.

Yes, and at that point the cost for Whitehurst, in my opinion, exceeds his worth. That early 2nd round pick could've been turned into a Damian Williams, or Jahvid Best, or Everson Griffen, or.. any number of fringe 1st round players who could contribute more and for a longer time than Whitehurst. Since, for the purposes of your argument, we're trusting Norv Turner to be a genius when it comes to quarterbacks, would you really give up that much for somebody who isn't even better than Billy Volek? Hell, there's no proof that he'll even be as average as Sage Rosenfels at this point. In terms of player prospects and the impact they will have on their future NFL teams, Weatherspoon and Hughes are clearly ahead of Kindle. I watched a handful of Texas games this year, Kindle was non-existant for the most part, up until the bowl game. He is very overrated as a prospect. Hughes, on the other hand, is the most polished pass rusher in this draft (especially after Greg Hardy took his draft stock out back and shot it in the face. Twice.) in terms of technique and burst. He isn't a walking tank, but he isn't Derrick Brooks, either (and by the way, two of the best rush linebackers in the league are 5'11"). Weatherspoon is best fit to be a weakside linebacker at the next level, but he has the coverage and tackling skills (as well as the intangibles and personality) to be great on the inside of a 3-4, similar to Karlos Dansby. He's a top 15 talent, but will drop because of the lack of positional need for a weakside LB. They're both superior to Sergio Kindle, even though Kindle actually has experience playing and rushing from a standing position.

Golden Tate is hardly a first round talent, and Michael Floyd was hurt for the majority of the year. Jimmy Clausen is the best quarterback prospect in this year's class, in my opinion, and one of the best quarterback prospects coming out of college in quite some time. He doesn't have a cannon, but can make any throw (though he does need some work on completing those out-routes). He is intelligent, by all accounts a leader and hard worker, has experience in a pro style offense, has a good and quick enough release to evade pressure when it comes, can read defenses, is mentally tough, and just completed one of the best season, statistically, by a junior quarterback ever despite a poor offensive line, running game and a non-existant defense. Never beat anyone with a pulse? He's the only reason Notre Dame was still in it for most of their games in the 4th quarter, and had his TE not slipped there is a very good chance they would've beat a then highly ranked USC team, as well. Yes, taking a potential franchise quarterback over a potential great defensive tackle is the worst move a rebuilding team could ever do. Because, y'know, defensive tackles can single handedly be the difference in games, unlike quarterbacks. Bradford has elite accuracy, a stupid-quick release, and can make any throw. There are questions about his toughness/being able to play without ***** star recruits at all of the positions/being able to take snaps under center (and all that that entails), but at this point he has the potential to be the next Kurt Warner. If the Rams think so, as well, then they have to pull the trigger.

Again, no front office worth it's worth will have Colt McCoy as the #3 QB in this upcoming draft, guaranteed. You do realize ESPN and CBSSports (especially CBS) tend to list prospects based on their name value/the value of the schools they went to, yes? The first ESPN link looks to me to be McShay's rankings, and McShay is a total fucking dumbass. Kiper's better, but his rankings aren't perfect, either - there is no way Trent Williams and Anthony Davis are top 3 tackles (even in this weak class), or that Sergio Kindle is better than either Jerry Hughes or Sean Weatherspoon, for instance. And CBSSports, in particular, is extremely unreliable. Hell, they don't even have Earl Thomas listed in their safety rankings, and he has the talent to be a Top 20 lock this year. There is simply no way you can justify Colt McCoy being the third best quarterback in this draft class (despite it being an extremely weak QB class). His arm strength is nonexistant, his accuracy is frivolous at best, he comes from a one-read spread offense, he doesn't take snaps under center, he doesn't have to drop back in the pocket. His absolute highest ceiling is Kyle Orton or Trent Edwards, only without the guarantee that he won't throw multiple interceptions a game at this point, and it'll take him 2-4 years to even get to that level. Charlie Whitehurst was a third-string quarterback who, in his three years, has never thrown a single pass during the official NFL season (as in, when it actually matters). I understand Norv Turner is a QB guru, but that hardly justifies giving up a fringe 1st rounder and $5 million a year for a player that couldn't even beat out Billy Volek, especially for a team that is as riddled with holes as the Seahawks are. You do realize there is a huge difference between drafting one of the highest rated college players in a given year, and signing a third string quarterback, yes? I'll eat some crow if I'm wrong, but Charlie Whitehurst doesn't have the potential to be what Bradford and Clausen could potentially be. The biggest issue I have here is that they could could have gotten a quarterback with a similar skillset to Charlie Whitehurst (or, hell, Charlie Whitehurst himself) for a far lesser price, but the FO's showing to be pretty incompetent so far (Darryl Tapp for Chris Clemons and a mid-round pick, Carroll? Really?)