NFL 06/07 Talk

[alldaws1]

I still think Peter King's idea of the Bears trading a second day pick to the Texans for David Carr would be good.

Edited March 21, 2007 by AD

[Vendetta]

The Chiefs released veteran offensive tackle Kyle Turley, who is considering retirement.

After Kansas City placed long snapper Adam Johnson on waivers, Tampa Bay claimed him.

Oakland signed free agent quarterback Josh Booty, the former LSU standout.

New England re-signed restricted free agent defensive back Rashad Baker.

Former Saints safety Omar Stoutmire signed with the Redskins, whom he played with two seasons ago.

After about a month-long absence, Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid will be returining to work Friday, when he is scheduled to speak to the media at 11 a.m. ET. Reid also will be attending next week's owners meetings in Phoenix, where he will speak with reporters once again.

The Indianapolis Colts re-signed free-agent defensive tackle Dan Klecko to a one-year contract with one-third of it fully guaranteed.

[David Hassellhoff]

The Texans could have Tom Brady taking snaps and they would still fail miserably with that pathetic offensive line. I know it's been said here but God damn.

And I like the Broncos offseason even though Plummer was unfairly benched last season.

[Mofoticon]

The Texans could have Tom Brady taking snaps and they would still fail miserably with that pathetic offensive line. I know it's been said here but God damn.

And I like the Broncos offseason even though Plummer was unfairly benched last season.

[Typical Phenom]

The Texans could have Tom Brady taking snaps and they would still fail miserably with that pathetic offensive line. I know it's been said here but God damn.

And I like the Broncos offseason even though Plummer was unfairly benched last season.

Not really...If anything, Plummer was benched too late.

[Vendetta]

Chicago's free-agent defensive tackle Ian Scott arrived Wednesday night in Atlanta for a Thursday visit.

The Dallas Cowboys signed four-year CFL veteran wide receiver, Jamel Richardson, who has racked up 118 career catches for 1,501 yards for the Saskatchewan Roughriders. The 6-foot-3, 220-pound Richardson attended Victor Valley Community College before entering the Canadian Football League.

BTW, has anybody else noticed that the maker of this topic, never comes in here?

[NobBe Nobbs]

Yes, he's left. Your point?

[livid]

Favorite Teams

1. San Francisco 49ers (I don't understand how their jerseys are considered ugly. They're not great by any stretch of the imagination, but they're definitely not even in the top 5 worst.)

2. Baltimore Ravens

As far as Schaub is concerned though, I think he's a good QB and will be good in the future. Unfortunately for him though, he's on a team that doesn't understand the concept of an offensive line. That and a lack of weapons and a bad defense is why David Carr never succeeded. Carr's going to benefit from having a change of scenery and Schaub will become a good QB when the Texans get an offensive line to protect him and a solid running game (they've got a lot of RBs now with Domanick Williams (formerly Davis), Ahman Green, Wali Lundy, Ron Dayne and Samkon Gado, but I don't know how well they'll produce. Williams is good and I advocated that the Texans don't draft Bush last year because they already have a Bush-like back but it doesn't seem the coaches are behind him and I don't know if he'll hold up for a whole NFL season with his knee problems.) My money's on David Carr going to a place like Tampa (if Plummer does indeed end up retiring), Cleveland (let's face it, Frye has shown he can be good, but also he can be bad), but the place he might fit in the most scheme-wise is Oakland and if they do get him and are happy with him, then look for them to trade Moss to GB and just draft Calvin Johnson. But I doubt that will happen and he'll end up in some place like Miami where he wouldn't be utilized. I think Culpepper can still play, he just wasn't healthy enough last year to be playing.

Oh and go Niners, they're finally putting together, at the very least, a serviceable defense to go along with an emerging offense. Hopefully they can add a playmaking WR to give Alex Smith a target to throw to other than Vernon Davis (who will be doubled if he's the main pass threat and I don't know how well he can handle that yet.)

[Trey]

Why would he want to go from one team with no O-Line to another team with no O-Line? Really, I think he should go somewhere like Detroit (if they draft Thomas instead of Quinn, like the latest mocks have), or somewhere with a good O-Line.

[NobBe Nobbs]

Considering Detroit already has Jon Kitna, who is a perfectly servicable quarterback - even with the Lions' shittastic offensive line - that would be a wholly useless trade.

[Kyle_]

I'm happy with the trade. We go up in the draft, plus get two extra picks.

Edited March 22, 2007 by sqeak

[NobBe Nobbs]

It makes sense from Atlanta's point of view, I suppose, because they've already put so much faith in Vick already Schaub wasn't really going to get a proper chance. Where does that put them in this year's draft, out of interest?

[Kyle_]

They moved up two spots in the draft, and got another 2nd rounder(39th overall). They also got a 2nd rounder for next year.

[Green Demon]

From ESPN.com

The trade that sent Matt Schaub from the Atlanta Falcons to the Houston Texans not only made the three-year veteran quarterback an instant starter, it made Schaub -- who has yet to win a regular-season start and who barely completed 50 percent of his pass attempts in three seasons with the Falcons -- a very rich man.

Schaub signed a six-year, $48 million contract with the Texans, a move that officially consummates the trade. As part of the deal, Schaub -- who played golf with Houston coach Gary Kubiak on Monday in a get-acquainted session, the Houston Chronicle reported -- will receive $7 million in guarantees.

"This is another exciting moment in the history of the Texans," team owner Bob McNair said at a news conference Thursday. "Winning is all about getting better every day, and that's what we're trying to do."

Schaub, 25, will earn roughly $20 million in the first three years of the contract.

After the first three years, the Texans must pay Schaub a $10 million option bonus in March 2010 to trigger the final three seasons of the contract, or he becomes a free agent. This is the same Houston team, though, that paid the soon-to-be-discarded David Carr a "buy back" bonus of $8 million last spring to reinstate three years of his contract that had voided.

On Wednesday night, agent Joby Branion termed the Schaub deal "a real contract" -- meaning it was a legitimate deal for a starting-caliber quarterback -- and he was accurate in that assessment.

Certainly the economics of the deal all but mandate that Schaub will be the Texans' starter. And for Schaub, a third-round choice in the 2004 draft, it represents a financial windfall. As a rookie, Schaub signed a three-year, $1.365 million contract. It included a signing bonus of $445,000 and annual base salaries at the NFL minimum.

Had he signed the one-year restricted free agent qualifying offer the Falcons made him early in the spring, Schaub would have had a base salary of $2.3 million for 2007. There was, his agents told ESPN.com more than a year ago, no way that Schaub would have considered a long-term deal that would have carried him past the 2007 season, since he would have been eligible for unrestricted free agency at that point.

Whether Schaub would have been able to earn more by signing a one-year contract with the Falcons for 2007, and then going into the open market as an unrestricted free agent next spring, is now a moot point and a matter of speculation.

Suffice it to say the contract that he signed to complete the Wednesday trade agreement is a healthy one.

As for the Falcons, the trade allows the cap-strapped team to essentially recoup the $2.3 million qualifying offer it made to Schaub and invest that money elsewhere. And the haul the team received in the trade -- a swap of first-round choices in 2007 and second-round picks in the 2007 and 2008 drafts -- provides Atlanta with considerable flexibility.

The Falcons now own three selections among the top 44 picks in this year's draft: the eighth choice in the first round and the seventh and 12th selections in the second stanza. Armed with that kind of ammunition, the Falcons could parlay those three choices to move up the draft board in the first round, perhaps to nab hometown hero Calvin Johnson, the former Georgia Tech wide receiver. Or the Falcons could combine the two second-round picks to acquire another choice near the middle of the first round.

Most teams use a chart, principally developed by former Dallas and Miami coach Jimmy Johnson, that assigns a points value to every choice in the draft. The corresponding points for the eighth pick in the first round is 1,400. The two second-round choices owned by the Falcons are worth 510 points (the seventh choice in the round) and 460 points (the 12th).

The total points value for the Falcons' three choices in the first two rounds is 2,370 points. On the points chart, the second overall choice in the entire draft, owned by Detroit -- which is rumored to be interested in trading back -- is worth 2,600 points. Atlanta would fall a little shy of that, but not by much, with its 2,370 points for the three choices in the first and second rounds.

But the Falcons have more than enough points to trade up to the No. 3 overall pick (points value: 2,200) or the fourth choice (value: 1,800 points), if they desired. By combining the two picks in the second round, with a total value of 970 points, Atlanta could net the 17th overall selection (points value: 950) in the first round.

The early read is that the Falcons, who definitely need to replenish their talent base and desperately require reinforcements at a number of key positions, simply will stand pat and exercise all three of their high-round choices. That should, in theory, net Atlanta three top-tier prospects who could play quickly for first-year coach Bobby Petrino.

But in making the Schaub trade, the Falcons have provided themselves the potential for maneuvering up the draft board if they want, and for being active and creative in the early stages of the lottery.

[TOG]

I feel like Atlanta got by far the better end of the deal. Sure, Schaub has proven to be capable when given a chance, but he's still a gamble. Nobody knows how he'll play when he's taking every snap. Furthermore, is Schaub the caliber of player that is worth dropping two spots in the first round and losing your second round pick when your franchise still desperately needs to build on having solid draft picks?

Plus, how can they even think Schaub will be better than Carr? Neither have shown themselves to be ahead of the other.

Edited March 22, 2007 by That One Guy

[GhostMachine]

From ESPN.com

The trade that sent Matt Schaub from the Atlanta Falcons to the Houston Texans not only made the three-year veteran quarterback an instant starter, it made Schaub -- who has yet to win a regular-season start and who barely completed 50 percent of his pass attempts in three seasons with the Falcons -- a very rich man.

Schaub signed a six-year, $48 million contract with the Texans, a move that officially consummates the trade. As part of the deal, Schaub -- who played golf with Houston coach Gary Kubiak on Monday in a get-acquainted session, the Houston Chronicle reported -- will receive $7 million in guarantees.

"This is another exciting moment in the history of the Texans," team owner Bob McNair said at a news conference Thursday. "Winning is all about getting better every day, and that's what we're trying to do."

Schaub, 25, will earn roughly $20 million in the first three years of the contract.

After the first three years, the Texans must pay Schaub a $10 million option bonus in March 2010 to trigger the final three seasons of the contract, or he becomes a free agent. This is the same Houston team, though, that paid the soon-to-be-discarded David Carr a "buy back" bonus of $8 million last spring to reinstate three years of his contract that had voided.

On Wednesday night, agent Joby Branion termed the Schaub deal "a real contract" -- meaning it was a legitimate deal for a starting-caliber quarterback -- and he was accurate in that assessment.

Certainly the economics of the deal all but mandate that Schaub will be the Texans' starter. And for Schaub, a third-round choice in the 2004 draft, it represents a financial windfall. As a rookie, Schaub signed a three-year, $1.365 million contract. It included a signing bonus of $445,000 and annual base salaries at the NFL minimum.

Had he signed the one-year restricted free agent qualifying offer the Falcons made him early in the spring, Schaub would have had a base salary of $2.3 million for 2007. There was, his agents told ESPN.com more than a year ago, no way that Schaub would have considered a long-term deal that would have carried him past the 2007 season, since he would have been eligible for unrestricted free agency at that point.

Whether Schaub would have been able to earn more by signing a one-year contract with the Falcons for 2007, and then going into the open market as an unrestricted free agent next spring, is now a moot point and a matter of speculation.

Suffice it to say the contract that he signed to complete the Wednesday trade agreement is a healthy one.

As for the Falcons, the trade allows the cap-strapped team to essentially recoup the $2.3 million qualifying offer it made to Schaub and invest that money elsewhere. And the haul the team received in the trade -- a swap of first-round choices in 2007 and second-round picks in the 2007 and 2008 drafts -- provides Atlanta with considerable flexibility.

The Falcons now own three selections among the top 44 picks in this year's draft: the eighth choice in the first round and the seventh and 12th selections in the second stanza. Armed with that kind of ammunition, the Falcons could parlay those three choices to move up the draft board in the first round, perhaps to nab hometown hero Calvin Johnson, the former Georgia Tech wide receiver. Or the Falcons could combine the two second-round picks to acquire another choice near the middle of the first round.

Most teams use a chart, principally developed by former Dallas and Miami coach Jimmy Johnson, that assigns a points value to every choice in the draft. The corresponding points for the eighth pick in the first round is 1,400. The two second-round choices owned by the Falcons are worth 510 points (the seventh choice in the round) and 460 points (the 12th).

The total points value for the Falcons' three choices in the first two rounds is 2,370 points. On the points chart, the second overall choice in the entire draft, owned by Detroit -- which is rumored to be interested in trading back -- is worth 2,600 points. Atlanta would fall a little shy of that, but not by much, with its 2,370 points for the three choices in the first and second rounds.

But the Falcons have more than enough points to trade up to the No. 3 overall pick (points value: 2,200) or the fourth choice (value: 1,800 points), if they desired. By combining the two picks in the second round, with a total value of 970 points, Atlanta could net the 17th overall selection (points value: 950) in the first round.

The early read is that the Falcons, who definitely need to replenish their talent base and desperately require reinforcements at a number of key positions, simply will stand pat and exercise all three of their high-round choices. That should, in theory, net Atlanta three top-tier prospects who could play quickly for first-year coach Bobby Petrino.

But in making the Schaub trade, the Falcons have provided themselves the potential for maneuvering up the draft board if they want, and for being active and creative in the early stages of the lottery.

As people already know I really didnt like the deal for the Texans in the first place and I am still unsure about Schaub so to me this deal is just stupid. Texans could have tested him as a starter for a year and then gave him a deal based on that, now they have him locked up for the near future and if he crashes and burns, however big the possibility is then the deal looks even worse.

[Evil Chase K]

I agree, Atlanta got the best of the deal. Eventhough they still have Vick at QB.

The Texans gave up too much IMO.

[livid]

Why would he want to go from one team with no O-Line to another team with no O-Line? Really, I think he should go somewhere like Detroit (if they draft Thomas instead of Quinn, like the latest mocks have), or somewhere with a good O-Line.

[Mofoticon]

The Texans could have Tom Brady taking snaps and they would still fail miserably with that pathetic offensive line. I know it's been said here but God damn.

And I like the Broncos offseason even though Plummer was unfairly benched last season.

Not really...If anything, Plummer was benched too late.

[Hajjhowe]

If they would have kept Plummer in, they would have made the playoffs. They had a winning record, and seemed to be doing fine until their coach was like "So, we are switching QB's for almost no reason despite being a playoff team and we are going ot use our starter this week bu tnot next just to fuck with his head in the next game."

Jay Cutler is a loser. Denver has good running and defense, and he still fucked it up enough to miss the playoffs.