Smoking in a movie = Rated R?

[gunnar hendershow]

First off. Living causes cancer. You're just as likely to get cancer as any smoker, just not lung cancer. That's what most people aren't told, and don't understand.

Smoking raises your risk of getting cancer far more than not.

Lung, mouth, throat, etc. But by eating potato chips every day you are heightening your risk to cancer just as much as you are by smoking cigarettes every day.

Edited April 9, 2007 by damshow

[EndOfAnEra]

Fine, revision. If you shit the kid out, it's your responsibility, not EA Games.

[zero]

First off. Living causes cancer. You're just as likely to get cancer as any smoker, just not lung cancer. That's what most people aren't told, and don't understand.

Smoking raises your risk of getting cancer far more than not.

Lung, mouth, throat, etc. But by eat potato chips every day you are heightening your risk to cancer just as much as you are by smoking cigarettes every day.

I still fail to see what kind of point you're trying to make here. It has little relevance to the topic at hand, but you're essentially backing up the point I made in the original thread about what's next, cheeseburgers in movies getting R ratings because they can cause heart disease.

[Mick]

I will admit, that watching Dawn of the Dead earlier, when they all pulled out their cigarettes in the helicopter, it did make me want to smoke

Then again, I think the movie got it's rating for the amount of gore plus zombies eating people, not to mention people getting their heads blown off at point blank range with a shotgun.

What next? Are magazines like Sports Illustrated that have fucking ads for Marlboro going to have be put with the porno mags just because of the cigarette ad?

What about the effect of alchohol? Yeah, we can ban smoking commericals but then again, alchohol causes far more road related deaths than smoking tobacco does.

Alchohol has "Please drive responibly" as it's disclaimer....cigarettes have the surgeon's general warning....

It's just a bunch of ultra-liberal cronnies that are out to claim that all video games are the roots of all evils in this world.

Why doesn't the MPAA just start blacklisting notorious chain smokers like Sean Penn while they're at it?

[Guest digrind]

Fine, revision. If you shit the kid out, it's your responsibility, not EA Games.

That doesn't really make a difference though, when you consider that there shouldn't be extreme violence, drug use, smoking in KIDS games or movies. Of course, we could both be talking about entirely different age ranges. I'm thinking the Disney era here. Otherwise, I'm all for freedom for developers. Then again, if a parent buys say, GTA, and let's little Joey play it, knowing full well it's a mature-rated game, the developer can't do too much about it. That's why the media and parents complaining about games like GTA is ridiculous. They, as well as the stores that allow the sale of games such as these to minors, need to have some accountability.

[EndOfAnEra]

Fine, revision. If you shit the kid out, it's your responsibility, not EA Games.

That doesn't really make a difference though, when you consider that there shouldn't be extreme violence, drug use, smoking in KIDS games or movies. Of course, we could both be talking about entirely different age ranges. I'm thinking the Disney era here. Otherwise, I'm all for freedom for developers. Then again, if a parent buys say, GTA, and let's little Joey play it, knowing full well it's a mature-rated game, the developer can't do too much about it. That's why the media and parents complaining about games like GTA is ridiculous. They, as well as the stores that allow the sale of games such as these to minors, need to have some accountability.

[zero]

That doesn't really make a difference though, when you consider that there shouldn't be extreme violence, drug use, smoking in KIDS games or movies. Of course, we could both be talking about entirely different age ranges. I'm thinking the Disney era here. Otherwise, I'm all for freedom for developers. Then again, if a parent buys say, GTA, and let's little Joey play it, knowing full well it's a mature-rated game, the developer can't do too much about it. That's why the media and parents complaining about games like GTA is ridiculous. They, as well as the stores that allow the sale of games such as these to minors, need to have some accountability.

You originally said that parents are too ignorant to tell their kids "this is fantasy," you didn't specify an age range besides "impressionable." Now, if we're talking about a G-Rated movie, there may not be a point to putting smoking in, but then again, there might. Should 101 Dalmations be an R-Rated movie just because the villain smokes? What is so hard about a parent sitting a kid down and saying "this is a cigarette, some adults smoke these, but they're very unhealthy and can make you very sick."

Now, you rarely see smoking in a G-Rated movie anyway these days so it's rather irrelevant. What's so ridiculous about this is they're suggesting PG-13 movies as well.

[Guest digrind]

The rest were lumped in since we got on the topic of video games and whatnot. Hell, I could've thrown music in there had it not been for the fact that that argument is just retarded.

[EndOfAnEra]

Yeah I realized when I typed the Disney Era part. When I think kids movie, I hardly think PG-13. Of course I agree in regards to the 101 Dalmations example, it's just too bad most parents don't seem to do that.

[zero]

Yeah I realized when I typed the Disney Era part. When I think kids movie, I hardly think PG-13. Of course I agree in regards to the 101 Dalmations example, it's just too bad most parents don't seem to do that.

That's all I'm saying, the burden of responsibility does not fall on a filmmaker, it falls on the parent who chose to have a kid. I'm not saying there's not a point to a ratings system, I don't think little kids should be seeing Grindhouse. But I do think saying smoking should be an automatic R is pretty stupid, just like saying "fuck" more than once is an automatic R.

[Lowerdeck]

There are ads for this campaign literally every ten feet or so in New York City. It's kind of disturbing how militant anti-smoking propogandizers have become over the past few years.

It's now down to every seven feet. And you should see the commercials they have on TV, holy fuck. Makes me want to smoke more than anything, just to piss off the establishment and whoever thought up these retarded commercials.

[Skummy]

Listening to Tom Waits makes me want to smoke. And that's the truth.

Therefore, no one should be allowed to listen to music. It would just make everything easier for everyone.

Zero got it all spot-on, as if there's even any need for an argument here, the fault lies with the parents in most, if not ALL, of these situations. If your kid's out punching people because they saw a violent film, or smoking their lungs out because they watched a Disney movie where token bad guy #17 lights up for one scene, then why the fuck aren't you doing anything about it? Why didn't you do anything to stop them getting to that point in the first place? Kids are impressionable, sure, but that just isn't an excuse for bad parenting.

I watched a fuckload of violent and weird films as a kid...anything from Cannibal Holocaust to Rocky Horror to Blue Velvet before I hit ten, but if I didn't have my parents there for me, I had an older brother, or just SOMEONE to say "yeah, that's wrong. If you do that, bad things will happen to you. It's just a film.", and that's all it takes. It's really not hard.

[Adam]

Meanwhile, on government-regulated broadcast television, there's a rotting corpse

Where is this rotting corpse!? :blink:

[zero]

Meanwhile, on government-regulated broadcast television, there's a rotting corpse

Where is this rotting corpse!? :blink:

Any episode of CSI?