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I dunno...I thought the whole thing should have been a lot classier, and felt a lot more timeless, if you get my drift.

To be honest, I don't know. I've never been an avid ITV watcher, but especially in recent years, it seems to be really naff, and I can't think of anyone who really "embodies" ITV, other than Trevor McDonald, who was there anyway. I guess Tarrant was a logical choice, come to think of it.

I still think that, after 50 years, if all ITV could manage was Chris Tarrant, Ken Dodd and Robin Gibb with G4, they don't deserve another 50.

What was this Ant & Dec/Hitchcock comparison? I must have missed it, but I see no possible way to draw comparison between them Well, there wasn't exactly a comparison, it's more to do with the fact that they're both on it, which is funny in it's self. Nobody made any comparison, it's just funny that you have a legend like Hitchcock, and then you have Ant & Dec as well. Ah, fair enough. I misinterpreted what people were saying and thought that they had somehow made some tedious link to compare the two to try and justify Ant & Dec being on there.

What was this Ant & Dec/Hitchcock comparison? I must have missed it, but I see no possible way to draw comparison between them

The books are considerably better than the films, but I think The Lost World is a lot better than people give it credit for. I think it works a lot better if you watch it as a modern retelling of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World, rather than a sequel to Jurassic Park or as an adaptation of Crichton's book of the same name.

Mad Season (Layne Staley post-Alice In Chains), Sonic Youth (Mudhoney but better), Erase Errata (quite like Sonic Youth and Mudhoney sometimes)...and assorted others.

I believe that there is such a thing, but I hardly think it's as common as many elitist music fans make it sound. Signing to major label is not selling out, changing your sound is not selling out. Pandering to the genre du jour for an extra bit of cash, however, is. As for myself, I don't think I'd do it, as I'd hate to be in a band playing music I don't enjoy. However, it's not something I could make a definite answer to without actually being in the situation.

Bruce Springsteen, or possibly U2's cover of, "My Hometown"? That's the nearest I can think of. EDIT:

5. Get Behind Me Satan 4. The White Stripes 3. Elephant 2. White Blood Cells 1. De Stijl I just found Get Behind Me Satan somewhat uninspiring, I guess.

And if you like Dresden Dolls (which you should), check out The Tiger Lilies. They're a little more quirky and less accessible, definitely a love or hate deal.

The Piano version of "Miss Misery" by Elliott Smith, or "All This Useless Beauty" by Elvis Costello, which is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. It's amazing.

Haha wow, I just downloaded "I'm Glad I Hitched My Apple Wagon To Your Star" by The Boy Least Likely To, and it's exactly what I was looking for. EDIT: And "I See Spiders When I Close My Eyes" is even better. And you get double kudos for having Broken Social Scene in your sig, "Anthem For A Seventeen Year-Old Girl" is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard.

So...yeah, I'm listening to Syd Barrett, Moldy Peaches, Belle & Sebastian, Loudon Wainwright III and Television Personalities a lot at the moment, kind of simplistic almost child-like innocent music, but with genuinely intelligent lyrics, and more than a little dose of irony. Can anyone recommend similar bands?

I can. I'll complain for any price.

Eugh, I saw that on Scuzz this morning for the first time and was just about to say it aswell. It's horrible. ← Precisely, I saw it on Scuzz this morning too...I'd heard of it, but all knowledge had pretty much been wiped from my mind, and I happened across it whilst channel-hopping, and I had to sit through the whole thing to find out who it was so that I could post it here. It was shite.

Add Gene Simmons - "Firestarter" to the list of heinously bad covers.

I have indeed heard Brains. It's wonderful, but my favourite Voltaire track is probably Graveyard Picnic.

It changes a lot, but here are some consistent ones: The Smiths - There Is A Light That Never Goes Out It's an unconventional love song, and so full of dark irony, but under it all it's one of the most genuinely sentimental songs I've ever heard. It's also one of the two songs that made me love The Smiths (alongside Bigmouth Strikes Again), so it's always going to have that in it's favour. But ultimately, it's because "If a double decker bus crashes into us, to die by your side, is such a heavenly way to die" is the best way I've ever heard anyone skirt around saying "I love you", but meant it so much. The Moldy Peaches - Nothing Came Out Pretty much sums up the whole Moldy Peaches ethos of childlike innocence, while at the same time having such unique and incredibly touching lyrics, it's such an innocent and lovely way to say you care about someone that most people look right past it. "All I wanna do is ride bikes with you, and stay up late and watch cartoons"...fantastic. Jeff Buckley - Forget Her This one's more of a sorrowful song than the last two, a break-up song to end all break-up songs. When I first heard it, it summed up how I felt to a tee, and I've found it beautiful ever since. I find it hard to explain why I like it so much, I just find it utterly amazing every single time. Shakespears Sister - Stay A bit corny, and frankly quite naff, but it'll always have a place in my heart as the "depression" song for me. It's not a bad piece of music, and Marcella Detroit and Siobhan Fahey's voices play off each other perfectly, and the acoustic version is astoundingly beautiful. Ultimately, it's attached to a lot of personal memories for me. The Morves - I Wish I Was Gay It's a very obscure one, but I love this song. The Morves were a late 90s/early 00s grunge band, and they only ever released one EP, mostly of aggressive generic grunge, but the last track was this acoustic beauty. The chorus is "Every time I meet some pretty baby, and I think I've found the one, she turns around and leaves me...I wish I was gay...so that girls couldn't hurt me". And the more and more the singer gets into it, it just sounds like he's going to break down in tears, and I adore it. The Cure - There Is No If Another overly sentimental beautiful love song. There isn't much I can say about why I like this, just listen to it and understand!

How bad is this? It's the campest award show I've ever seen. And I thought Ken Dodd was dead? And after seeing him on this, I now wish he was.

I don't think so...what's it called?

I love me some Voltaire.

Giraffes are the only animals born with horns. Both males and females are born with bony knobs on the forehead.

You fail at life. Aquabats are pretty naff.

Thanks! I've heard good things about Zombi in the past, so I'll definitely check them out. Auditory Aphasia sound great, I'm not overly keen on the vocals, but musically they're pretty wonderful. And I shall likely hunt down the rest in due time. I meant to mention them when I made this topic. Fantomas I'm somewhat unfamiliar with, I've only heard the odd few tracks, but I adore Mr. Bungle. Anything Mike Patton has had a hand in I tend to be rather fond of, to be honest.