The Mad Men Thread

[TheSqauredCircleMessiah]

Good God that was a fucking fantastic episode tonight. This show is rounding third and headed home and it's just getting better and better.

[Alex.]

One of the better episodes I have seen in awhile. I was really beginning to dislike Peggy but that may change.

Does anyone else see the possibility of Don leaving the agency and making his own with Pete and Peggy?

Edited May 19, 2014 by Alex.

[gunnar hendershow]

"Does this family even exist anymore?"

[TheSqauredCircleMessiah]

One of the better episodes I have seen in awhile. I was really beginning to dislike Peggy but that may change.

Does anyone else see the possibility of Don leaving the agency and making his own with Pete and Peggy?

They've done that twice already, first when everybody at Sterling Cooper left PP&L and then when SCDP and CGC merged, so no. Plus, I don't think Don is that wealthy on his own, he would need Bert & Roger. What I see happening is there is a big showdown coming with Roger and Jim Cutler with it being possible that Teddy Chaough comes back from LA and helps Roger & Don over his old partner. The end game after next year is that Peggy eventually becomes Creative Director somewhere, Pete becomes another Roger Sterling type and Don leaves the ad games all together.

[gunnar hendershow]

One of the better episodes I have seen in awhile. I was really beginning to dislike Peggy but that may change.

Does anyone else see the possibility of Don leaving the agency and making his own with Pete and Peggy?

They've done that twice already, first when everybody at Sterling Cooper left PP&L and then when SCDP and CGC merged, so no. Plus, I don't think Don is that wealthy on his own, he would need Bert & Roger. What I see happening is there is a big showdown coming with Roger and Jim Cutler with it being possible that Teddy Chaough comes back from LA and helps Roger & Don over his old partner. The end game after next year is that Peggy eventually becomes Creative Director somewhere, Pete becomes another Roger Sterling type and Don leaves the ad games all together.

That's mostly where I think the show is going, except maybe Cutler and Lou cannibalize themselves. Lou being in favor of Don giving the presentation is a start of that. I do think after getting back to the mountaintop Don is leaving and putting Peggy in his place. Most everything else is up in the air. I absolutely have no idea where Joan, Pete, and Megan will be in a year.

[TheSqauredCircleMessiah]

One of the better episodes I have seen in awhile. I was really beginning to dislike Peggy but that may change.

Does anyone else see the possibility of Don leaving the agency and making his own with Pete and Peggy?

They've done that twice already, first when everybody at Sterling Cooper left PP&L and then when SCDP and CGC merged, so no. Plus, I don't think Don is that wealthy on his own, he would need Bert & Roger. What I see happening is there is a big showdown coming with Roger and Jim Cutler with it being possible that Teddy Chaough comes back from LA and helps Roger & Don over his old partner. The end game after next year is that Peggy eventually becomes Creative Director somewhere, Pete becomes another Roger Sterling type and Don leaves the ad games all together.

That's mostly where I think the show is going, except maybe Cutler and Lou cannibalize themselves. Lou being in favor of Don giving the presentation is a start of that. I do think after getting back to the mountaintop Don is leaving and putting Peggy in his place. Most everything else is up in the air. I absolutely have no idea where Joan, Pete, and Megan will be in a year.

I honestly believe this…I think Megan ends up in porn. She can't act a lick and is really falling into the LA culture. That will be the only outlet after her and Don finally give it up.

[gunnar hendershow]

One of the better episodes I have seen in awhile. I was really beginning to dislike Peggy but that may change.

Does anyone else see the possibility of Don leaving the agency and making his own with Pete and Peggy?

They've done that twice already, first when everybody at Sterling Cooper left PP&L and then when SCDP and CGC merged, so no. Plus, I don't think Don is that wealthy on his own, he would need Bert & Roger. What I see happening is there is a big showdown coming with Roger and Jim Cutler with it being possible that Teddy Chaough comes back from LA and helps Roger & Don over his old partner. The end game after next year is that Peggy eventually becomes Creative Director somewhere, Pete becomes another Roger Sterling type and Don leaves the ad games all together.

That's mostly where I think the show is going, except maybe Cutler and Lou cannibalize themselves. Lou being in favor of Don giving the presentation is a start of that. I do think after getting back to the mountaintop Don is leaving and putting Peggy in his place. Most everything else is up in the air. I absolutely have no idea where Joan, Pete, and Megan will be in a year.

I honestly believe this…I think Megan ends up in porn. She can't act a lick and is really falling into the LA culture. That will be the only outlet after her and Don finally give it up.

That does sort of fit the timeline of the 70s adult industry, a lot of failed actresses going into porn so they don't have to leave LA. But it's hinted at that she's falling in love with drugs too, so there's another possible direction. Her going back to Montreal is a longshot but with her parents being the way they are a possibility.

[Josh]

That was my favorite episode of the season. Goddamn. And jesus, that final shot - talk about layers.

[TheSqauredCircleMessiah]

Regarding the final shot, which would have been a great closing shot for the series

It's funny because you always think about Mad Men being the Don Draper show but the show has always been about Pete & Peggy just as much as Don. In episode 1, Peggy was this wide-eyed doe getting her first big job in the city at 21 and on her first day was basically told by the woman who hired her that part of her is to put out for boss when needed.

Pete was this silver-spoon little bastard who only has his job because of family connections. He wants to be like Don or Roger Sterling more than anything in the world so he's getting married because that's what guys like Don & Roger do.

To see how far the two of them have come in under 10 years in remarkable. At this point, I'm almost rooting for Pete & Peggy to end up together.

[gunnar hendershow]

Bert

Episode was fantastic. So much going on and it all tied together nicely. It was one of those episodes that makes you feel like nothing can ever duplicate this show. The song at the end was fitting, was it a song from How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying?

[Alex.]

great episode i will be very upset when this show is gone for good.

[GoGo Yubari]

So yeah that's Mad Men at #1 on my year-end fifteen again.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCK YOU HARRY

The song's not from How to Succeed In Business, it's from a '20s musical called "Good News."

[gunnar hendershow]

I do wish we could have had a shot of Lou finding out he just got betrayed by Cutler, the partners are all now millionaires, and he's gonna have to pack up and leave because McCann wants Draper and Chough instead of him. It would have been a special moment.

Also a shot of Harry when he found out he became a partner a day late.

[Josh]

My god.

That Peggy speech made me cry. And that ending was so sweet, crazy, and then troubling in just the right dose. Goddamn. There is no show on TV that fills an existential void quite like Mad Men

[GoGo Yubari]

I loved the realization that

Once again, Bert Cooper knew exactly what was going on the whole time and just refused to make a move against it until he actually needed to. Season 6 Don

was a gigantic headache and cost them all money, so the stipulations made sense for Bert to go along with, he just wasn't actually going to go along with getting rid of Don for something that only served to benefit Cutler and his guys.

[TheSqauredCircleMessiah]

I loved the realization that

Once again, Bert Cooper knew exactly what was going on the whole time and just refused to make a move against it until he actually needed to. Season 6 Don

was a gigantic headache and cost them all money, so the stipulations made sense for Bert to go along with, he just wasn't actually going to go along with getting rid of Don for something that only served to benefit Cutler and his guys.

I don't even think Harry is going to get his partnership anymore because the company has been sold and I'm sure that McCann would have to approve a new partner. I've never seen Harry as a bad guy, just someone who has always tried to keep himself relevant in a company that never appreciated him or even really realized what he did. The only reason why they brought him along from the old Sterling Cooper is because he was literally his whole department. I've always contrasted Harry with a guy like Ken Cosgrove. Harry would have fucked the guy from Jaguar if he had to because the only thing he wanted was the status. Ken actually earned a partnership offer and didn't want it because he saw what it did to people and all he cared about was sticking it to Pete.

It's funny what's happened to those three low-level staffers from Season 1 at Sterling Cooper. Harry has become a symbol for constantly being a day late, Kenny has been pretty successful on his own without doing anything shady and Paul Kinsey turned into a Harre Krishna just because he wanted to bang a girl.

Regarding Lou:

He still has another 18 months or so on his contract, so he's not completely SOL. But he probably would quit because he would to work for Don and Ted. And most likely Peggy. I could see him just being absorbed by McCann.

Edited May 27, 2014 by TheSqauredCircleMessiah

[gunnar hendershow]

A plot point they'll probably devote part of next year to:

Pete and Trudy are not divorced yet. So I'm not completely sure on divorce laws in New York but it's certainly a possibility she comes after Pete for a million dollars. It'll be interesting to watch.

Of course the most important disintegrating marriage is what happens to Megan now that she has all but told Don outright that it's over.

And, yeah, Harry is fucked since you're right and McCann would have to approve him as partner now. Hilarious since his wife was hanging on for some of his partner money in the divorce and also hilarious because it's Harry.

Still bothered they haven't even discussed Ginsberg since he got carted off to the mental hospital. Hopefully at some point next year it's discussed.

[TheSqauredCircleMessiah]

A plot point they'll probably devote part of next year to:

Pete and Trudy are not divorced yet. So I'm not completely sure on divorce laws in New York but it's certainly a possibility she comes after Pete for a million dollars. It'll be interesting to watch.

Of course the most important disintegrating marriage is what happens to Megan now that she has all but told Don outright that it's over.

And, yeah, Harry is fucked since you're right and McCann would have to approve him as partner now. Hilarious since his wife was hanging on for some of his partner money in the divorce and also hilarious because it's Harry.

Still bothered they haven't even discussed Ginsberg since he got carted off to the mental hospital. Hopefully at some point next year it's discussed.

Stan visited him, Peggy won't. That was it.

I think we've seen the last of Alison Brie. I'm just not sure where Trudy fits in unless they to reconcile.

Megan also has no purpose, I doubt we'll see her again either.

[GoGo Yubari]

Someone on /r/madmen made this. Basic concept, great execution.

[gunnar hendershow]

A plot point they'll probably devote part of next year to:

Pete and Trudy are not divorced yet. So I'm not completely sure on divorce laws in New York but it's certainly a possibility she comes after Pete for a million dollars. It'll be interesting to watch.

Of course the most important disintegrating marriage is what happens to Megan now that she has all but told Don outright that it's over.

And, yeah, Harry is fucked since you're right and McCann would have to approve him as partner now. Hilarious since his wife was hanging on for some of his partner money in the divorce and also hilarious because it's Harry.

Still bothered they haven't even discussed Ginsberg since he got carted off to the mental hospital. Hopefully at some point next year it's discussed.

Stan visited him, Peggy won't. That was it.

I think we've seen the last of Alison Brie. I'm just not sure where Trudy fits in unless they to reconcile.

Megan also has no purpose, I doubt we'll see her again either.

I mean Trudy and Pete can have a nasty divorce case with all the money now at stake. The late 60's and early 70's were the most important period in history for divorce law. Would not be surprising at all to have them approach the subject.