EWR 2014 Stats Update: December ***PLEASE USE SPOILER TAGS***

[KrisClassic]

A series of guys made the mistake of tucking their head. Literally no fault of AJ's at all. That's really all there is to it.

[TheWho87]

Is there need for this discussion to drag on in this topic?, there is nothing stat wise that could/should be changed to reflect the recent increase of injuries of the Styles Clash.

[Skummy]

Literally no fault of AJ's at all.

I'd dispute that for reasons already stated, but if you find it easier to believe that there's been a recent spate of otherwise experienced and professional performers injuring themselves exclusively on one move from one wrestler rather than even entertain the thought that the haphazard way AJ performs said move even might be the one constant in all this, go ahead.

As for whether the discussion belongs here or not, I'd argue that AJ's stiffness needs an increase and attitude needs a decrease based on precisely that, but if the majority think otherwise, I'll concede.

[Lineker]

AJ Styles is an icon and a legend and he deserves our respect.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

Rename The Dynamic Sensation to The Drunken Swashbuckler,Pirate Gimmick

Alter Egos:Gus Harlacher,dYnamic Sensation,August Wright

Edited December 26, 2014 by Bunkhouse Buck

[HonorLives]

Team up Cesaro and Tyson Kidd, and name them "Masters of the WWE Universe"

Exp.: 4 or 5 I guess.

[brenchill]

How do you "brace" to change something, it's literally two or three clicks, hardly a lot to prepare for... not to mention there's no idea as to whether it is actually happening imminently.

James, that's simply how I chose to word it. I didn't literally mean, "Stay at your computer at all times and prepare to move him up to the Main Roster." The things that some people will be assholes about never fail to amuse me.

How are we looking for Grado stats? Any luck?

[TheWho87]

I tend to round figures out but this could be a started point.

Name: Grado

Short Name: Grado

Gender: Male

Birth Month: Unknown

Age: 30 (Not accurate but set up at being 20 on his debut)

Weight: Middleweight

Stats:

Brawling: 35

Speed: 10

Tech: 30

Stiff: 25

Sell: 50

Over: 25

Charisma: 65

Attitude: 90

Behavior: 90

Speaks: Yes

Nationality: Scottish

Primary Finisher: Wee Boot (Impact)

[mkpunk]

Title Changes (Includes WWE spoilers):

2cw Heavyweight Title: Nick Ando (stats given last month)

AAA Mega Heavyweight Title: El Patron

AAW Hertiage Title: Christian Faith

Anarachy Heayweight Title: Vacant

Anarchy Tag Team Titles: Vacant

Anarchy Young Lions Title: Vacant

APW Tag Team Titles: Levi Shapiro & Buddy Royal (stats given last month)

APW Worldwide Internet: Virgil Flynn (stats given last month)

CW Heavyweight Title: Donovan Dijak

CW Women's Title: Kasey Ray

ECCW Hardcore Title: Moondog Manson

ECCW Heavyweight Title: Bishop

ECWA Mid-Atlantic Title: Chris Wylde

ECWA Unified Heavyweight Title: Ricky Martinez

Hollywood Heritage Title: The Hobo (stats given last month)

Hollywood Heritage Tag Team Titles: Johnny Yuma & Johnny Goodtime

ECWA Unified Tag Team Titles: Vacant

IWC Super Indy Title: Andrew Palace

IWC Tag Team Titles: Jimmy DeMarco & Vendetta IWC

MCW Tag Team Titles: Napalm Bomb & Solo

NWA Canadian Heavyweight Title: Sid Sylum

NWA/ECCW Tag Team Title: Vacant

NWA/ECCW Vancouver Island Title: BJ Laredo

PWS Tri-State Title: The Amazing Red

PWS Heavyweight Title: Mario Brako (In the game as Mo Sexton)

PWS Tag Team Title Alex Reynolds & Kyle Reynolds

TNA World Tag Team Titles: Abyss & James Storm

TNA X Division Title: Low Ki

WWC Puerto Rican Title: Chicano

WWC Universal Title: Carlito

WWC World Junior Heavyweight Title: Vacant

WWC World Tag Team Titles: Miguelito Perez & Huracan Castillo

WWE Intercontinental Title: Dolph Ziggler

WWE Tag Team Titles: Jimmy Uso & Jey Uso

Remove:

AAA Fusion (merged with the AAA Cruiserweight)

ECWA K-Cup Tag Team (tournament)

ECWA Super 8 (tournament)

MAV TV (redundant?)

Add

Andrew Palace

Name: Andrew Palace

Short Name: Palace

Pic: http://www.iwcwrestling.com/roster/andrewpalace.jpg

Nationality: American

Age: 22

Birthmonth: Unknown

Gender: Male

Weight: Lightweight

Wages: $10,000

Employer #1: IWC

Disposition: Tweener

Position: Lower Midcard

Gimmick: Cocky

Stats: 32/63/37/33/50/20/55/85/85

Primary Finisher: Aviation

Secondary Finisher: Step Above

Donovan Dijak

Name: Donovan Dijak

Short Name: Dijak

Pic: http://www.rohwrestling.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/news_featured_photo_full_news_node/2015topprospectdijakfixed.jpg

Nationality: American

Age: 27

Birthmonth: Unknown

Gender: Male

Weight: Lightweight

Wages: $10,000

Employer #1: CW

Disposition: Face

Position: Midcard

Gimmick: Cocky

Stats: 63/28/32/35/50/30/55/85/85

Primary Finisher: Reverse Death Valley Driver

Secondary Finisher: Standing Backbreaker

Alter Ego: Dijak, Donovan Dijack, Dijack

Kyle Reynolds

Nationality: American

Age: 22

Birthmonth: Unknown

Gender: Male

Weight: Lightweight

Wages: $5,000

Employer #1: PWS

Disposition: Heel

Position: Cocky

Stats: 42/62/51/36/55/18/55/85/85

Primary Finisher: DDT

Secondary Finisher: DDT

Michael Hayes

Name: Michael Hayes

Short Name: Hayes

Pic: http://www.ovwrestling.com/sites/default/files/superstars/michaelhayes-sm.pngNationality: American

Age: 26

Birthmonth: Unknown

Gender: Male

Weight: Lightweight

Wages: $10,000

Employer #1: OVW

Disposition: Face

Position: Lower Midcard

Gimmick: Old School Face

Stats: 38/55/56/36/55/28/55/85/85

Primary Finisher: DDT

Secondary Finisher: DDT

The Mexecutioner

Name:

The Mexecutioner

Short Name: Mex

Pic: http://www.ovwrestling.com/sites/default/files/superstars/mexicutioner-sm.png

Nationality: American

Age: 38

Birthmonth: Unknown

Gender: Male

Weight: Lightweight

Wages: $10,000

Employer #1: OVW

Disposition: Face

Position: Opener

Gimmick: Cocky

Stats: 45/32/30/30/54/28/55/85/85

Primary Finisher: Deloran Driver

Secondary Finisher: Deloran Driver

Alter Ego: Roberto De Luna

Vendetta IWC

Name: Vendetta IWC

Short Name: Vendetta

Pic: http://www.iwcwrestling.com/roster/vendetta.jpg

Nationality: Canadian

Age: 30?

Birthmonth: Unknown

Gender: Male

Weight: Lightweight

Wages: $10,000

Employer #1: IWC

Disposition: Tweener

Position: Opener

Gimmick: Cocky

Stats: 54/52/35/30/62/25/55/85/85

Primary Finisher: Vendettanator

Secondary Finisher: Stampede Spinebuster

Add a Tag Tam called TerreMex with Randy Terrez and The Mexecutioner at 10 exp.

Add a Tag Team called The Hollywood Balds with Jimmy DeMarco and Vendetta IWC at 15 exp.

Din T Moore is The Beer City Brusier, add Dinn T. Moore, Dinty Moore, Matt Winchester as alter egos.

WWE spoilers:

Adam Rose is a heel.

Christian should be a non-worker.

Konnor and Viktor should be tweeners.

[=BK=]

Multiple people suffering the same injury from the same move by the same guy in a short space of time makes it hard to suggest "they injured themselves", doesn't it?

No, considering that's what happened.

One wrestler makes it seem like they injured themselves, two I would still somewhat agree but three is where I start to think it is a trend of the wrestler who executes the move, not the one who takes it. In the one that as shown it did look like taker error by Strong. We will never know the details with Lionheart as PCW took down the video. The video from the Yoshitatsu injury hasn't really circulated yet so unless people saw Tatsu screwed it up, there's no proof. The common denominator is AJ.

Clearly looks like Yoshitatsu doesn't tuck his head back properly to me

In which case AJ shouldn't have continued with the move considering Yoshi wasn't properly in position. Again, the common factors in all these injuries are AJ Styles and the Styles Clash, not the guy taking the move. If there were a spate of experienced wrestlers "not tucking their head properly" on any other move, maybe there'd be an argument for it, but I don't see it being anyone but AJ's fault on one level or another.

you can not stop a move halfway through just because your opponent doesn't have his head tucked properly (i don't aj could even tell that yoshi wasnt in position) the fact is in this case the blame goes totally to yoshi

Yoshi isn't fully in position before AJ starts to hit the move - and that's consistent with every time he's injured somebody with the Styles Clash, he's rushed the set-up, and hit it before the other guy is safely in position. Wrestling is about trust - if you can't tell if the other guy is safely in position, then that's not a move you should be using in the first place. If Yoshi Tatsu - or anyone else - had never taken the move before, then AJ shouldn't have expected them to just take it on the night, they should have run through it or else not used that move at all.

The blame is absolutely on AJ Styles. If it was a one-off, I'd say perhaps not, but the constants are AJ Styles and that move. If it had been a one-off, maybe you could say the "blame" goes on the guy taking it, but when he's consistently injuring people with the same move it's absurd to not put at least some of the blame on Styles, especially when the guy getting injured has never been injured in his life.

Part of me wonders how much of it is to do with it being AJ Styles involved - I doubt so many people would be rushing to defend him if it were a big musclebound oaf injuring people, but because it's an old indie darling with great EWR stats that keeps breaking people's necks, it must be the other guy, even when the other guy is someone who's never been injured before in his life.

Think it might have more to do with having seen him do the move for ten years every week on TV and only have that mess up happen once or twice. If Kurt Angle, who can barely move his neck, can put his head back far enough and keep it back I'm inclined to believe pretty much everyone else can and it's just their fault if they don't.

[mkpunk]

Multiple people suffering the same injury from the same move by the same guy in a short space of time makes it hard to suggest "they injured themselves", doesn't it?

No, considering that's what happened.

One wrestler makes it seem like they injured themselves, two I would still somewhat agree but three is where I start to think it is a trend of the wrestler who executes the move, not the one who takes it. In the one that as shown it did look like taker error by Strong. We will never know the details with Lionheart as PCW took down the video. The video from the Yoshitatsu injury hasn't really circulated yet so unless people saw Tatsu screwed it up, there's no proof. The common denominator is AJ.

Clearly looks like Yoshitatsu doesn't tuck his head back properly to me

In which case AJ shouldn't have continued with the move considering Yoshi wasn't properly in position. Again, the common factors in all these injuries are AJ Styles and the Styles Clash, not the guy taking the move. If there were a spate of experienced wrestlers "not tucking their head properly" on any other move, maybe there'd be an argument for it, but I don't see it being anyone but AJ's fault on one level or another.

you can not stop a move halfway through just because your opponent doesn't have his head tucked properly (i don't aj could even tell that yoshi wasnt in position) the fact is in this case the blame goes totally to yoshi

Yoshi isn't fully in position before AJ starts to hit the move - and that's consistent with every time he's injured somebody with the Styles Clash, he's rushed the set-up, and hit it before the other guy is safely in position. Wrestling is about trust - if you can't tell if the other guy is safely in position, then that's not a move you should be using in the first place. If Yoshi Tatsu - or anyone else - had never taken the move before, then AJ shouldn't have expected them to just take it on the night, they should have run through it or else not used that move at all.

The blame is absolutely on AJ Styles. If it was a one-off, I'd say perhaps not, but the constants are AJ Styles and that move. If it had been a one-off, maybe you could say the "blame" goes on the guy taking it, but when he's consistently injuring people with the same move it's absurd to not put at least some of the blame on Styles, especially when the guy getting injured has never been injured in his life.

Part of me wonders how much of it is to do with it being AJ Styles involved - I doubt so many people would be rushing to defend him if it were a big musclebound oaf injuring people, but because it's an old indie darling with great EWR stats that keeps breaking people's necks, it must be the other guy, even when the other guy is someone who's never been injured before in his life.

Think it might have more to do with having seen him do the move for ten years every week on TV and only have that mess up happen once or twice. If Kurt Angle, who can barely move his neck, can put his head back far enough and keep it back I'm inclined to believe pretty much everyone else can and it's just their fault if they don't.

Besides Kazarian in 2003, AJ rarely botched the Styles Clash and it wasn't until this year he had a rash of injuries related to the move. There were three known injuries. The last two putting the recipients on the shelf for a year. Is their blame on the other guy, sure but AJ bears some blame especially when you had three injuries from the same move within ten months. Ryback injured as many wrestlers in a period and got an increase himself.

Anyway, I got a question based on NXT guys debuting on the main roster, in the last few months we have seen some NXT guys debut on the main roster on RAWs, Main Event and also done the house show circuits. Adrian Neville, Charlotte, Sami Zayn and Tyler Breeze have all been on the main roster with house shows, dark matches and even RAW and Main Event matches despite having a proper debut. Should they be on the main roster to start off the game or leave them in developmental.

[Klee]

Will GFW be added for the January update?

[HonorLives]

Will GFW be added for the January update?

I would guess not, because the only three people on the roster right now would be Jeff Jarrett, Karen Jarrett, and Scott D'Amore.

[Skummy]

Think it might have more to do with having seen him do the move for ten years every week on TV and only have that mess up happen once or twice. If Kurt Angle, who can barely move his neck, can put his head back far enough and keep it back I'm inclined to believe pretty much everyone else can and it's just their fault if they don't.

But surely, by the same token, having seen Yoshi Tatsu wrestle for ten years without sustaining a single injury it's a bit rich to say "it must be his fault"?

"He's done it plenty of times without hurting anyone" doesn't absolve AJ of blame for the times that he does hurt people.

[mkpunk]

Will GFW be added for the January update?

I would guess not, because the only three people on the roster right now would be Jeff Jarrett, Karen Jarrett, and Scott D'Amore.

That and GFW would have only produced one show with talent from another company that they didn't even run. I don't recall putting New Japan talent in the Jersey All Pro roster in 2011 when JAPW produced the NJPW American shows similar to GFW with just broadcasting a pay-per view. Lucha Underground have produced about 11/12 weeks of programming, aired eight of them on a station that is sligtly national and still aren't in the game as are other promotions who have done years worth of shows.

Speaking of adding promotions, of any suggested save maybe splitting FWE and HoH, Lucha Underground should be the next one based on producing regular television for an entire quarter now (minus the holiday break.)

[PaigeFan001]

remove rob terry from TNA

[SpanishMen]

- Change Gail Kim contract to Open.

- Deactivate Kalisto and El Local, The New Wave and Magnum Modeling Agency

Edited January 2, 2015 by SpanishMen

[Bill1996]

So, after having to basically reformat my computer and reinstall everything, taking up a good chunk of December, the plan is to have the January 2015 update out sometime before this weekend, hopefully within the next 48 hours... Gonna try and cram as much as I can in when I have free time, but probably won't get everything that was originally planned.

-Bill

[PaigeFan001]

TNA

Austin Aries new X Division champion

Awesome Kong back in TNA

[Bunkhouse Buck]

Maybe it is too late to change that, but Cody Hall is training at the NJPW Dojo since this Year

Edited January 8, 2015 by Bunkhouse Buck