EWR 2012 Stats Update: June ***PLEASE USE SPOILER TAGS***

[KrisClassic]

Has Mirko Filipovic ever even had a match before? His stats seem very inflated.

-Raise Nick Madrid's overness to 24.

He worked in Pride and or Hustle. The stats make sense being his is an MMA guy.

add Ahihiko Inoue as an alter ego for Shadow Phoenix, he revealed that as his name after Trauma II beat him in a mask vs. mask match in Mexico's IWRG.

I don't see how they make sense at all. The same way being a good pro wrestler doesn't make someone a good mixed martial artist, being a good MMA guy doesn't make someone a good worker. Did he actually work a match or did he just do an angle? The only video I could find was of him kicking someone in the head. If that is the case, lower his brawl to 63 and speed to 9.

-Raise Alex Colon's technical to 75.

-Raise AR Fox's brawl to 58 and technical to 59.

-Add a loyalty between Tommy Suede and Samu (trainer), and change Tommy Suede and Supreme Lee Great's friendship to a loyalty (Suede trained SLG).

-Raise LJ Cruz's overness to 21 and charisma to 60.

-Add Lance Anoa'i to the game:

Lance Anoa'i

Lance, Male

February, 20

Lightweight

B 52

S 66

T 53

Stiff 39

Sell 76

Over 28

Charisma 63

Att 91

Behav 92

Check Fonz Factor.

$11,000

Speaks

American

Frog Splash (Top Rope)

Thunderstorm (Impact)

Face, Family Guy

Alter ego: Lance Anoai

Blood relative to:

Afa Jr.

Jey Uso

Jimmy Uso

Junior Fatu

LA Smooth

Leakee

Matt Anoai

The Rock

Toa Maivia

Loyalty to:

Supreme Lee Great

Tommy Suede

[Mancuerda]

Has Mirko Filipovic ever even had a match before? His stats seem very inflated.

-Raise Nick Madrid's overness to 24.

He worked in Pride and or Hustle. The stats make sense being his is an MMA guy.

add Ahihiko Inoue as an alter ego for Shadow Phoenix, he revealed that as his name after Trauma II beat him in a mask vs. mask match in Mexico's IWRG.

I don't see how they make sense at all. The same way being a good pro wrestler doesn't make someone a good mixed martial artist, being a good MMA guy doesn't make someone a good worker. Did he actually work a match or did he just do an angle? The only video I could find was of him kicking someone in the head. If that is the case, lower his brawl to 63 and speed to 9.

That doesn't mean that's all he CAN do, though. I think you're jumping the gun. Cro Cop is a great kickboxer, and I have no idea how well those skills translate into pro wrestling, but just like you shouldn't assume because he's an MMA guy that he's great at pro wrestling as well, you also can't assume that because he's not primarily a pro wrestler that he wouldn't be a good one. He has a variety of crowd-pleasing strikes - axe kicks, head kicks, body kicks, etc. - that he's used in his MMA career that could be carried over into MMA. I don't know how well, admittedly, but I think Mirko would at least put on a decent to good brawl.

[KrisClassic]

Has Mirko Filipovic ever even had a match before? His stats seem very inflated.

-Raise Nick Madrid's overness to 24.

He worked in Pride and or Hustle. The stats make sense being his is an MMA guy.

add Ahihiko Inoue as an alter ego for Shadow Phoenix, he revealed that as his name after Trauma II beat him in a mask vs. mask match in Mexico's IWRG.

I don't see how they make sense at all. The same way being a good pro wrestler doesn't make someone a good mixed martial artist, being a good MMA guy doesn't make someone a good worker. Did he actually work a match or did he just do an angle? The only video I could find was of him kicking someone in the head. If that is the case, lower his brawl to 63 and speed to 9.

That doesn't mean that's all he CAN do, though. I think you're jumping the gun. Cro Cop is a great kickboxer, and I have no idea how well those skills translate into pro wrestling, but just like you shouldn't assume because he's an MMA guy that he's great at pro wrestling as well, you also can't assume that because he's not primarily a pro wrestler that he wouldn't be a good one. He has a variety of crowd-pleasing strikes - axe kicks, head kicks, body kicks, etc. - that he's used in his MMA career that could be carried over into MMA. I don't know how well, admittedly, but I think Mirko would at least put on a decent to good brawl.

Being able to execute moves and being able to place them well to make a good match are two completely different things. 79 is a very high stat. 63 is good (even too high) for someone who has never even had an actual match.

-Lower Tommy Dreamer's brawl to 75.

Edited June 20, 2012 by KrisClassic

[Guest Team 720]

Speaking of PRIDE - isn't Tajiri's Wrestling New Classic taking its place in the Japanese touring promotions? And isn't the "Shooting Ability" stat's only real purpose to determine which Japanese feds they'll tour with?

I might be wrong, and got things mixed up, and PRIDE has been replaced by something else, but if that is the case, then perhaps a re-shuffle of Japanese promotions would be in need to make that stat remotely relevant?

The problem is the source codes. The problem is that we cannot edit the Japanese promotions in name or how they work due to the source code being gone. In my opinion, PRIDE and Battlearts should both be blank touring commitments due to the fact they are both shut down (PRIDE is now a part of UFC and Battlearts closed.)

Has Mirko Filipovic ever even had a match before? His stats seem very inflated.

-Raise Nick Madrid's overness to 24.

He worked in Pride and or Hustle. The stats make sense being his is an MMA guy.

add Ahihiko Inoue as an alter ego for Shadow Phoenix, he revealed that as his name after Trauma II beat him in a mask vs. mask match in Mexico's IWRG.

I don't see how they make sense at all. The same way being a good pro wrestler doesn't make someone a good mixed martial artist, being a good MMA guy doesn't make someone a good worker. Did he actually work a match or did he just do an angle? The only video I could find was of him kicking someone in the head. If that is the case, lower his brawl to 63 and speed to 9.

That doesn't mean that's all he CAN do, though. I think you're jumping the gun. Cro Cop is a great kickboxer, and I have no idea how well those skills translate into pro wrestling, but just like you shouldn't assume because he's an MMA guy that he's great at pro wrestling as well, you also can't assume that because he's not primarily a pro wrestler that he wouldn't be a good one. He has a variety of crowd-pleasing strikes - axe kicks, head kicks, body kicks, etc. - that he's used in his MMA career that could be carried over into MMA. I don't know how well, admittedly, but I think Mirko would at least put on a decent to good brawl.

Being able to execute moves and being able to place them well to make a good match are two completely different things. 79 is a very high stat. 63 is good (even too high) for someone who has never even had an actual match.

-Lower Tommy Dreamer's brawl to 75.

I agreed with Cro Cop being over-rated however he should have a strong brawl and perhaps a mid tech (not sure though as I never watched him.) Cro Cop had limited experience in HUSTLE through their relationship with PRIDE.

Add Austin Draven:

Name: Austin Draven

Short Name: Draven

Gender: Male

Age: 26

Weight: Heavywgiht

Nationality: American

Wage: $12,000

Primary Finisher:

Secondary Finisher:

Contract Type: Written

Touring With: None

Employer 1:

Employer: WWE

Card Position: Developmental Deal

Disposition: Face

Manager: None

Gimmick: None

Stats:

Brawl: 58

Speed: 32

Technical: 45

Stiffness: 25

Selling: 57

Over: 18

Charisma: 58

Attitude: 85

Behavior: 85

Alter Ego: Austin Matelson, Austin Morrison

Relationships:

Blood Relative:

Dislike:

Friendship:

Hate:

Love:

Loyalty: Shane Ballard, Shannon Ballard

edit: Remove Jennifer Blake from AAA as she has not appeared since December. I would also vacate he AAA Mixed Tag Team titles as she was the last champion with Alan Stone.

Also remove All Japan as a touring commitment for Dark Ozz and Dark Cuervo. They last wrestled for All Japan in March on the tour they lost the All Japan Tag tiles.

Edited June 20, 2012 by Team 720

[Mancuerda]

Just a question - Should Jimmy Jacobs be renamed Zombie Princess?

I'd give Cro Cop a brawl of 69, speed of 15, and tech of 25.

[Guest Team 720]

Just a question - Should Jimmy Jacobs be renamed Zombie Princess?

I'd give Cro Cop a brawl of 69, speed of 15, and tech of 25.

If that is the name he is going by and not a nickname, sure.

In CMLL news posted on luchablog, rename Dragon Lee to Mistico II. He was given the name and gimmick by Fray Tormeta during a recent press conference. Perhaps make La Mistica his primary finisher. La Mistica is Sin Cara's current finisher but kept as an armbar so it should be a submission hold.

Edit:

Former WWE superstar Kenn Doane recently did a tell all type interview with SEScoops.com.

During the interview he spoke about a number of controversial topics, including John Cena being the "Tiger Woods" of WWE and breaking up his engagement to Mickie James (which led to the demise of Doane & James' WWE careers), Cena trying to get Randy Orton fired from WWE, the Spirit Squad and much more.

Note From Kenn:"First and foremost before reading this interview if your going to say "Your a cheerleader" or make comments of how I got beat in matches then your probably too uneducated and immature to continue so please hit the back button located at the top left of your webpage now. And now lets begin..."

When you were in the Spirit Squad, was there a feeling like this would brand you with a 'stench' that would be impossible to shake, or were you just happy to work with DX and Vince McMahon so early in your WWE career?

"We always knew going into it that groups don't last forever and the best way possible to get out of that 'stench' so to say would be simply to fight each other or go back down to developmental and be repackaged. Fortunately Dolph had that opportunity, the other 3 got fired and I got brought back the following week as Dykstra. Spirit Squad was basically a group designed to bring back DX and that's it. We came in as badass cheerleaders that took advantage of a 5-2 ratio and beat up every tag team they put in our way. Except when it came to DX, no 5 grown men could ever beat 2 not those 2 lol. This is where haters will say "duh haha you got superkicked and pedigreed." But I'ma let them in on a secret. ITS F*CKING FAKE! I knew what was going to happen and I did because that was my job. That is equal to me saying haha you just got a stack of papers at your desk and now have to work more. People don't understand that this is a job. Nobody is really the champion of anything. It is a simple show that you watch and enjoy. If you were in a movie with Sly Stallone and beat his ass but then at the end he killed you would you be mad? Absolutely not you would tell everyone to go watch it. We make short action movies where in the end one loses and the other wins. So if you think otherwise then you didn't read my disclaimer at the beginning and you can hit the back button now."

What are your thoughts on fellow Spirit Squad alum Dolph Ziggler's breakout potential?

"I think it's great and I am a HUGE Dolph supporter. I text him sometimes before big matches telling him I may do a shoot run in and help him win because he deserves it. I think if THEY let him above the glass ceiling he will be a big player when it comes to the future. We already know Cody Rhodes will get through the glass ceiling eventually for sure. His damn father is a writer. Nothing against Cody he is a great talent just saying it how it is. And as for THEY i mean the politicians in the top spots. Guys like... like.... whats his name??? (haters and nerds get ready here it comes) John Cena that's it. This man seems afraid of losing his spot and I never understood it because they are very high on him as we can all see but I guess when your at the top you must be afraid of falling sometimes. John is greedy in the ring and he is allowed to be. Very rarely do we see top babyfaces selling for anyone anymore. I think this is part of whats missing in wrestling today. I remember Bret Hart would sell for anyone at any level in every match, the reason being is if your babyface isn't in danger then why do we care to cheer for them? Steamboat did the same thing. But guys feel it makes them weak to sell now when in reality it makes people interested. If we watched UFC and nobody got hurt we wouldn't watch right? (a verbal yes will do fine here)"

Can you shed more light on your recent comments that John Cena wanted Randy Orton fired when you were in WWE?

"It was the same night when Cena tried toughening up Carlito (which was absolutely stupid of Cena) he was pretty much bullying him because we all know if Carlito hit Cena and hurt him he would be fired plain and simple. But regardless once John calmed down I asked him what that was all about he ranted and other crap saying people need to hold their own weight around here and some how he got to Randy being suspended saying he is trying for Randy's release to send a message to everyone that they can all be fired just as easily. As for now I don't know if John is trying for Randy's release or not but if I had to guess I would say it is due to the fact that he told me he was before. This assumption could be wrong (meaning this could be false and not the truth) however John telling me in the past he did want Randy fired is true (that's true because he told me, see how that works haters?)."

Based on your recent tweets about your former relationship with Mickie James, it's clear that behind-the-scenes romance often winds up affecting WWE storylines. What is WWE's attitude towards wrestlers dating divas?

"It depends on who you are, top guy like Cena can do what he wants but most of the time they try to fuck with it like put you on separate shows and make one date another on TV. I think its a little sick joke but who knows really. I mean look at past relationships usually their on separate shows."

Since a return to WWE does not seem likely at this point due to your issues with the company's top star, are you interested in working for Impact Wrestling? "

"I get flown into TNA to try out. before my try out I see Dixie Carter and tell her thank you for bringing me in and I hope she gets a chance to see what I can do. We talk for a little bit and she ends the conversation with "ya know for a guy who got fired for a bad attitude I don't think your that bad" I'm like what! so i chase her down and say Mrs. Carter why did you say that and where did you get that information if I might ask. She said its all over the internet. So I do my research and find it all over the place that i got fired from WWE for a bad attitude. So now John and Mickie took my personal life, took my job, and left me with a bad reputation. That's real nice."

"Would i wrestle for TNA? if I could make more money working for them or equal to what i do now then yes otherwise it would be a dumb choice right? (verbal yes or head shake is suffice) Another thing people claim my timing is bad on this and maybe your right. John is going through a divorce right now and really wish him and Liz a peaceful divorce. But if anyone of you lost your job, personal life and then got stuck with a bad reputation your gonna honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing? lets get real people."

Also during the interview:

- Kenn Doane ranting extensively about John Cena on the road with rats/groupies, what happened the last time he was face to face with John Cena backstage at a WWE event and much more

- How WWE has changed since he left in 2008.

- Name Association game with Vince McMahon, CM Punk, John Cena, Randy Orton & more.

Sounds like he has a valid reason to dislike Cena, too bad he's such a douche about it.

I would add a friendship between Dolph Ziggler and Kenn Doane, a hatred between Kenn Doane and John Cena, a dislike between Carlito and John Cena, a dislike between Kenn Doane and Shawn Michaels, a dislike between Kenn Doane and Triple H and perhaps a dislike between Kenn Doane and Cody Rhodes.

Edited June 20, 2012 by Team 720

[notatardis]

picking up from earlier posts, I think it's a bit of a stat inflation issue causing some weird comparisons/ranks. While we're all pretty keen on raising stats when needed, I don't think we're nearly as good at lowering them and that creates a sort of imbalance or odd number in relation to someone else.I don't know if things are supposed to be normalized, but I think they've gotten a bit away from there.

Edited June 21, 2012 by notatardis

[Mancuerda]

picking up from earlier posts, I think it's a bit of a stat inflation issue causing some weird comparisons/ranks. While we're all pretty keen on raising stats when needed, I don't think we're nearly as good at lowering them and that creates a sort of imbalance or odd number in relation to someone else.I don't know if things are supposed to be normalized, but I think they've gotten a bit away from there.

I couldn't agree more with this post, but it's gonna take a lot of work to fix.

[Mancuerda]

I would add a friendship between Dolph Ziggler and Kenn Doane, a hatred between Kenn Doane and John Cena, a dislike between Carlito and John Cena, a dislike between Kenn Doane and Shawn Michaels, a dislike between Kenn Doane and Triple H and perhaps a dislike between Kenn Doane and Cody Rhodes.

Ehh, I dunno, you might be going overboard on relationships. Sure, Doane is a fan of Ziggler's work, but is the friendship reciprocated? Is there anything from Dolph saying he's friends with Ken?

As for Rhodes, I admit I only read one part of what he said about him (that he has a lot of talent and Dusty is a writer, so he'll naturally be a big star) but I saw NOTHING to indicate he dislikes him, unless there was something later in the article (kinda long).

[jupiterhill]

I would add a friendship between Dolph Ziggler and Kenn Doane, a hatred between Kenn Doane and John Cena, a dislike between Carlito and John Cena, a dislike between Kenn Doane and Shawn Michaels, a dislike between Kenn Doane and Triple H and perhaps a dislike between Kenn Doane and Cody Rhodes.

Ehh, I dunno, you might be going overboard on relationships. Sure, Doane is a fan of Ziggler's work, but is the friendship reciprocated? Is there anything from Dolph saying he's friends with Ken?

As for Rhodes, I admit I only read one part of what he said about him (that he has a lot of talent and Dusty is a writer, so he'll naturally be a big star) but I saw NOTHING to indicate he dislikes him, unless there was something later in the article (kinda long).

I think there are too many relationships in the game as it is, but I would justify a hate between Doane and Cena. The others, I wouldn't spend time on really. I didn't see a real dislike between Carlito and Cena (Carlito might harbor bad feelings, but I do too against people, but I'm indifferent about them, not really a dislike). I think it was a cheap shot he took on Cody, but that's more of an attitude on Doane, not really a dislike. Most of the others would also be an effect of Doane's attitude. I would just lower it (I'm not sure what it's at now, but this is justified by his recent tweets and interviews).

[Guest Team 720]

picking up from earlier posts, I think it's a bit of a stat inflation issue causing some weird comparisons/ranks. While we're all pretty keen on raising stats when needed, I don't think we're nearly as good at lowering them and that creates a sort of imbalance or odd number in relation to someone else.I don't know if things are supposed to be normalized, but I think they've gotten a bit away from there.

There have been a lot by some parties that I will remain nameless... I know I have usually been a little light when it comes to putting guys in mainly because I might see them on bad nights or something. The problem is knowing when to change the stats. Take for example guys in WWE like CM Punk who is has speed ability with all of his sprinboards and what not, but cannot show it as much in WWE.

I would add a friendship between Dolph Ziggler and Kenn Doane, a hatred between Kenn Doane and John Cena, a dislike between Carlito and John Cena, a dislike between Kenn Doane and Shawn Michaels, a dislike between Kenn Doane and Triple H and perhaps a dislike between Kenn Doane and Cody Rhodes.

Ehh, I dunno, you might be going overboard on relationships. Sure, Doane is a fan of Ziggler's work, but is the friendship reciprocated? Is there anything from Dolph saying he's friends with Ken?

As for Rhodes, I admit I only read one part of what he said about him (that he has a lot of talent and Dusty is a writer, so he'll naturally be a big star) but I saw NOTHING to indicate he dislikes him, unless there was something later in the article (kinda long).

That is a main reason I listed it as a possible dislike. We have seen love added for less. I mean the Beth-Edge one there is enough through the back but I think the Barrett-Fox one had only a little blerb.

I would add a friendship between Dolph Ziggler and Kenn Doane, a hatred between Kenn Doane and John Cena, a dislike between Carlito and John Cena, a dislike between Kenn Doane and Shawn Michaels, a dislike between Kenn Doane and Triple H and perhaps a dislike between Kenn Doane and Cody Rhodes.

Ehh, I dunno, you might be going overboard on relationships. Sure, Doane is a fan of Ziggler's work, but is the friendship reciprocated? Is there anything from Dolph saying he's friends with Ken?

As for Rhodes, I admit I only read one part of what he said about him (that he has a lot of talent and Dusty is a writer, so he'll naturally be a big star) but I saw NOTHING to indicate he dislikes him, unless there was something later in the article (kinda long).

I think there are too many relationships in the game as it is, but I would justify a hate between Doane and Cena. The others, I wouldn't spend time on really. I didn't see a real dislike between Carlito and Cena (Carlito might harbor bad feelings, but I do too against people, but I'm indifferent about them, not really a dislike). I think it was a cheap shot he took on Cody, but that's more of an attitude on Doane, not really a dislike. Most of the others would also be an effect of Doane's attitude. I would just lower it (I'm not sure what it's at now, but this is justified by his recent tweets and interviews).

I do not think there are too many because you have 5,500 workers and you have 7,000, relationships, it is warranted if you ask me. Unless you have suggestions on ways to reduce workers, I would not remove the relationships. Though I will say there are a bunch of CM Punk or Colt Cabana relationships for whatever reason. I know Cabana has Art of Wrestling to thank but not sure with Punk.

Kenny's attitude is 77 which I would say it should be 65 due to his recent issues...

[kdcastles]

Add Buggy Nova to a developmental deal with WWE.

Source:

https://news.google.com/news/story?q=buggy+nova+wwe&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=iTw&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvnsu&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1276&bih=616&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=d1553h3BCaNy4hMJsUVhz5KztfD3M&sa=X&ei=D7viT46NMIjO9QT1tpmGCA&ved=0CC8QqgIwAA

[Skummy]

Speaking of PRIDE - isn't Tajiri's Wrestling New Classic taking its place in the Japanese touring promotions? And isn't the "Shooting Ability" stat's only real purpose to determine which Japanese feds they'll tour with?

I might be wrong, and got things mixed up, and PRIDE has been replaced by something else, but if that is the case, then perhaps a re-shuffle of Japanese promotions would be in need to make that stat remotely relevant?

The problem is the source codes. The problem is that we cannot edit the Japanese promotions in name or how they work due to the source code being gone. In my opinion, PRIDE and Battlearts should both be blank touring commitments due to the fact they are both shut down (PRIDE is now a part of UFC and Battlearts closed.)

I know that the promotions themselves can't be edited, but most stats updaters have pretty much arbitrarily assigned new promotions to them. So "PRIDE" in the game is used to represent Wrestling New Classic (I believe) in this stats update.

But how PRIDE in the game works, is that they will prioritise workers with shooting ability. As far as I know, that is the only purpose of the shooting ability stat. So what I'm suggesting is either that we start using that stat to represent something else, that would make them more likely for Wrestling New Classic to prioritise that worker or, more conceivably, that we start using "PRIDE" to represent a promotion that still does employ more MMA-styled workers. Possibly Inoki Genome Federation, or U-SPIRITS, for example.

I'd probably be able to explain this better if I actually had more of an idea as to what Japanese promotion in the game equates to what equivalent in the stats update, and how Japanese promotions hiring works. Does anyone have that info to hand?

[jupiterhill]

You can remove Travis T-Money from the game. He retired in 2004 (or maybe 2005) after having shoulder surgery. He now runs a gym and does a multitude of other fighting related things. I don't think anyone would really miss him anyways since the only fed he was is was WLW and it was removed from the game, and he has no relationships in the game.

Source: http://www.undergroundgymllc.com/about/history

[conker8]

picking up from earlier posts, I think it's a bit of a stat inflation issue causing some weird comparisons/ranks. While we're all pretty keen on raising stats when needed, I don't think we're nearly as good at lowering them and that creates a sort of imbalance or odd number in relation to someone else.I don't know if things are supposed to be normalized, but I think they've gotten a bit away from there.

I couldn't agree more with this post, but it's gonna take a lot of work to fix.

Like I do for my 1992 Scenario, I think we can make some "ladders" to see where are the flaws in comparisons.

I think we should start with the Big 3 promotions :

Brawl:

86: Edge

85: Samoa Joe

84: Bully Ray, Davey Richards, Undertaker

83: Finlay, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, William Regal

82: Daniel Bryan, Sheamus

81: Abyss, Brock Lesnar, James Storm, Kassius Ohno, Kevin Steen, Matt Morgan, Randy Orton, Rhino

80: Kurt Angle

79: Chris Jericho, Christian, CM Punk, Eddie Edwards, Jay Briscoe, Jimmy Jacobs, John Cena, Rob Van Dam, Roderick Strong

78: Bobby Roode, Cody Rhodes, Hernandez, Mark Briscoe, Steve Corino, Wade Barrett

77: Drew McIntyre, Jack Swagger, Jeff Jarrett, Tensai

76: Booker T, Dolph Ziggler, Kane, Kyle O'Reilly, Mick Foley, Mr. Anderson

75:

74: Al Snow, Big Show, Brodie Lee, Dean Ambrose, Delirious, Douglas Williams, Justin Gabriel, Michael Elgin, R-Truth, Ted DiBiase, The Rock, Tommaso Ciampa, Zack Ryder

73: Alberto Del Rio, Curt Hawkins, D'Angelo Dinero, Devon, Epico, Ezekiel Jackson, Heath Slater, Kevin Nash, Michael McGillicutty, Nigel McGuinness, Ricky Reyes, Shelton Benjamin, TJ Perkins, Tyler Reks

72: Alex Riley, Austin Aries, Gunner, Mark Henry, Ric Flair, Ryback, Sting

71: AJ Styles, Antonio Cesaro, Brutus Magnus, Cedric Alexander, Damien Sandow, Husky Harris, Jey Uso, Kofi Kingston, Mason Ryan, Santino Marella, Seth Rollins, The Miz

70:

69: Brodus Clay, Conor O'Brian, Jeff Hardy, Jerry Lawler, Jimmy Uso, Xavier Woods

68: Adam Cole, Bo Dallas (Rotundo), Derrick Bateman, Jake Carter, Jinder Mahal, Mike Mondo, Rick Victor, Taz, Yoshi Tatsu

67: David Otunga, Joseph Mercury, Kennet Cameron, Mike Bennett, Richie Steamboat, Steve Austin

66: Charlie Haas, Dante Dash, Leakee, Marcus Anthony, Robbie E, Sakamoto

65: El Generico, Rhett Titus, Titus O'Neil

64: Alexander Rusev, Big E Langston, Crimson, Darren Young, DT Porter, James Bronson, Jesse James, Johnny Curtis, JTG, Rey Mysterio, Sean Waltman, Val Kabious

63: Eric Young, Grizzly Redwood, Harlem Bravado, Jiro, Percy Watson, Primo, Ricardo Rodriguez

62 : Abraham Washington, Camacho, John Laurinaitis, Kid Kash, Sean Cara, Tyson Kidd

61: Christopher Daniels, Robbie T

60: Andy Ridge

59: Aiden English, Colin Cassady, Hulk Hogan, Kenny King, Leo Kruger, Matt Striker, Mr. Ernesto Osiris

58: Byron Saxton, Corey Graves, Erik Rowan, Garrett Dylan

57: Briley Pierce, CJ Parker, Hunico, Jason Jordan

56: Lancelot Bravado, Sonny Elliot, The Great Khali

55:

54: Caprice Coleman, Evan Bourne, Garrett Bischoff, Matt Jackson, Mr. McMahon, Zema Ion

53: Dusty Rhodes, Mike Dalton, Prince Nana

52:

51: Brad Maddox, Nick Rogers

50: Trent Barreta

49: Bret Hart, Chris Sabin

48: Jesse Sorensen

47: Alex Silva, Bob Evans, Hector Guerrero, Nick Jackson

46: Eli Cottonwood

45: Kazarian

44: Adam Mercer, Archibald Peck, Derek Foore

43:

42: Shane Hagadorn

41: Jay Lethal

40:

37: Eric Bischoff

36: Matt Taven

35:

34: Benicio Salazar

26: Hornswoggle

25:

24: Truth Martini

11: Paul Heyman

10: Jim Cornette

7: Theodore Long, Jeremy Borash

Speed:

91: Evan Bourne, Sin Cara

87: El Generico

86: AJ Styles, Nick Jackson

85: Seth Rollins

84: Chris Sabin, Justin Gabriel

83: Austin Aries, Matt Jackson, Rey Mysterio

82: Davey Richards, Jay Lethal, Kazarian

81: Kofi Kingston, Rob Van Dam

80:

79: Trent Barreta

78: Christopher Daniels, Hunico, Sean Waltman, Zema Ion

77: Daniel Bryan, Eddie Edwards, TJ Perkins

76: Caprice Coleman, Cedric Alexander, Delirious, Eric Young, Jeff Hardy, Jesse Sorensen, R-Truth, Tyson Kidd

75: Joseph Mercury, Kenny King

74: Antonio Cesaro, Mark Briscoe, Shelton Benjamin, Xavier Woods

73: Dolph Ziggler, Primo

72: Bo Dallas (Rotundo), Jay Briscoe, Mike Dalton

71: Alberto Del Rio, Brad Maddox, Jey Uso, JTG, Kassius Ohno, Kid Kash, Yoshi Tatsu

70: Shawn Michaels

69: Chris Jericho, Jimmy Jacobs, Robbie E

68: Epico, Ricardo Rodriguez

67:

66: Benicio Salazar, CM Punk, Kevin Steen, Leo Kruger

65: Roderick Strong

64: Mike Mondo, Richie Steamboat

63:

62: Adam Cole, Andy Ridge, Jimmy Uso, Jiro, Kyle O'Reilly, Kurt Angle

61: Christian, Harlem Bravado, Zack Ryder

59: Corey Graves, James Storm, Nick Rogers, Truth Martini

58: Alex Silva, Heath Slater

57: Brutus Magnus, Rick Victor

56: Derrick Bateman, Matt Taven, Ricky Reyes, Samoa Joe

55: Byron Saxton, D'Angelo Dinero, Matt Striker

54: Brock Lesnar, Charlie Haas, Cody Rhodes, Curt Hawkins

53: Johnny Curtis, Michael Elgin, Ted DiBiase, The Miz

52: Prince Nana

51: Archibald Peck, Lancelot Bravado

50: Mr. Ernesto Osiris

49: Hernandez, Husky Harris, Jason Jordan, Val Kabious

48: Al Snow, Grizzly Redwood, Sakamoto

47: Brodie Lee, Gunner

46: Alex Riley, CJ Parker, Leakee

45: Conor O'Brian

44: Dean Ambrose, Garett Bischoff, Hornswoggle, Jack Swagger, Sheamus

43: Bobby Roode, Tyler Reks

42: Rhett Titus

41: John Cena, Nigel McGuinness

40:

39: Crimson, Edge, Garrett Dylan, Jinder Mahal

38: Steve Corino, Tommaso Ciampa

37: Aiden English, Briley Pierce, Dante Dash, Matt Morgan, Michael McGillicutty, Mr. Anderson

36: Drew McIntyre, Kenneth Cameron

35: Shane Hagadorn

34: Undertaker

33:

32: Mike Bennett

31: Brodus Clay, Camacho, Percy Watson, Randy Orton, Ryback, Santino Marella, Wade Barrett

30:

29: Abraham Washington, Damien Sandow, Darren Young, Jeff Jarrett

28: Alexander Rusev, Booker T, Douglas Williams, Sonny Elliot, William Regal

27: DT Porter, Mason Ryan

26: David Otunga, Derek Foore, Marcus Anthony

25: Sting

24: Abyss, Bob Evans, Hector Guerrero

23: The Rock

22: Kane

21: Finlay, Triple H

20:

19: Big E Langston, Big Show, Devon, Rhino, Titus O'Neil

18: Robbie T

17: Ezekiel Jackson, Mick Foley, Tensai

16: James Bronson

15:

14: Adam Mercer, Bully Ray, Jake Carter, Jerry Lawler

13: Colin Cassady, Jesse James

12: John Laurinaitis, Taz

11:

10:

9: Erick Rowan

8: Mr. McMahon, Ric Flair

7: Eli Cottonwood, Kevin Nash

6: Mark Henry

5: Eric Bischoff

4: Steve Austin

3: Bret Hart, Dusty Rhodes

2: Hulk Hogan, Theodore Long

1: Jeremy Borash, Paul Heyman, The Great Khali

0: Jim Cornette

Tech:

93: Daniel Bryan

89: William Regal, Nigel McGuinness

88: Davey Richards, Douglas Williams, Kassius Ohno, Kurt Angle

87:

86: Antonio Cesaro, Austin Aries, CM Punk

83: Christopher Daniels, Roderick Strong

82: Chris Jericho, Delirious

81: Christian, Dolph Ziggler, Eddie Edwards, Finlay, TJ Perkins, Tyson Kidd

80: Samoa Joe, Shawn Michaels

79: AJ Styles, Grizzly Redwood, Mike Mondo, Seth Rollins

78: Charlie Haas, Jack Swagger, Kyle O'Reilly, Rey Mysterio, Shelton Benjamin

77: Al Snow, El Generico, Jay Lethal, Kenny King, Kevin Steen, Steve Corino

76: Kazarian, Adam Cole

75: Matt Striker, Rhett Titus

74: Alberto Del Rio, Bobby Roode, Bo Rotundo, Cedric Alexander, Jeff Jarrett, Jesse Sorensen, Kid Kash, Michael McGillicutty, Tommaso Ciampa, Zema Ion

73: Derrick Bateman, Jay Briscoe, Justin Gabriel, Ted DiBiase, Triple H

72: Edge, Johnny Curtis

71: Evan Bourne, Jimmy Jacobs, Ricky Reyes

70: Yoshi Tatsu

69: Brock Lesnar, Brutus Magnus, Chris Sabin, Corey Graves, Dean Ambrose, James Storm, Mark Briscoe, Matt Jackson, Wade Barrett

68: Caprice Coleman, Derek Foore, Drew McIntyre, Xavier Woods, Zack Ryder

67: Cody Rhodes, Curt Hawkins, Kofi Kingston, Nick Rogers, Sin Cara

66: Eric Young, Heath Slater, Hunico, Nick Jackson, Sean Waltman, Taz

65: Hector Guerrero

64: Briley Pierce, Damien Sandow, Gunner, John Cena, Michael Elgin, Ric Flair, Richie Steamboat, Trent Barreta

63: Bret Hart, D'Angelo Dinero, Leo Kruger, Tyler Reks

62: Joseph Mercury, Randy Orton, Santino Marella, Sheamus

61: Conor O'Brian, Crimson, Mike Dalton, Primo, R-Truth

60: Andy Ridge, Mr. Ernesto Osiris

59: Archibald Peck, Brad Maddox, CJ Parker, James Bronson, Jiro, Rick Victor

58: Alex Silva, Benicio Salazar, Jason Jordan, Matt Taven, Rob Van Dam, Robbie E, Tensai

57: Bob Evans, Epico

56: Darren Young, Harlem Bravado, Jake Carter, Jeff Hardy, John Laurinaitis

55:

54: Mr. Anderson, Ricardo Rodriguez, Shane Hagadorn, The Miz

53: Booker T, Lancelot Bravado

52: Alex Riley, Undertaker

51: Alexander Rusev, Jinder Mahal, Kenneth Cameron

50:

49: Adam Mercer, Byron Saxton, Garett Bischoff, Garrett Dylan

48: Brodie Lee, Dante Dash

47: Jimmy Uso

46: Aiden English, Jey Uso, Mike Bennett, Sakamoto, Truth Martini

45:

44: Jerry Lawler, Percy Watson, Val Kabious

43: Leakee

42: Camacho

41: Rhino

40:

39: JTG, Matt Morgan, Prince Nana

38: Sting

37:

36: Brodus Clay

35:

34: Big Show, David Otunga, Husky Harris, Kane, Sonny Elliot, The Rock

33:

32: Big E Langston

31: Hernandez

30: DT Porter

29: Abyss, Bully Ray

28: Ryback

27: Steve Austin

26:

25:

24: Abraham Washington, Mason Ryan

23:

22:

21: Devon, Ezekiel Jackson, Mick Foley, Robbie T

20:

19: Colin Cassady, Marcus Anthony

18:

17: Hornswoggle

16: Jesse James, Mark Henry

15:

14:

13: Mr. McMahon, Titus O'Neil

12: Dusty Rhodes, Hulk Hogan

11: Erick Rowan, Kevin Nash

10: Eric Bischoff

4: Theodore Long

3: Eli Cottonwood, Paul Heyman, The Great Khali

2: Jeremy Borash

1:

0: Jim Cornette

Bold : Retired/Non-Wrestlers

EDIT:

Charisma:

100: Steve Austin, The Rock

99: CM Punk

98: Ric Flair

97: Chris Jericho

96: Edge, John Cena, Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, Mr. McMahon, Triple H

95:

94: Dusty Rhodes, Hulk Hogan, Jim Cornette, Shawn Michaels

93: Christian, Kevin Nash, Steve Corino

92: The Miz, Mr. Anderson

91: Booker T, Jerry Lawler, Paul Heyman, Sting, William Regal

90:

89: Bully Ray, Dean Ambrose, James Storm, R-Truth, Santino Marella

88: Alberto Del Rio, Eric Bischoff

87: Cody Rhodes, D'Angelo Dinero, Dolph Ziggler, Jesse James, Kassius Ohno, Matt Striker, Randy Orton

86: Kane, Taz, Theodore Long, Wade Barrett, Zack Ryder

85:

84: Al Snow, Bobby Roode, Big Show, Christopher Daniels, Derrick Bateman, Kevin Steen, Sheamus

83: Alex Riley, Austin Aries, Daniel Bryan, Drew McIntyre, Eric Young, Jeff Jarrett, Karen Jarrett, Undertaker, Velvet Sky, Vickie Guerrero

82: Delirious, Jack Swagger, Jay Briscoe, Jimmy Jacobs, John Laurinaitis, Layla El

81: AJ Styles, Bret Hart, Kofi Kingston, Prince Nana, Rob Van Dam, Samoa Joe, Stephanie McMahon, Trish Stratus

80:

79: Brutus Magnus, Hornswoggle, Jay Lethal, Jinder Mahal, Lilian Garcia, Nigel McGuinness, Rey Mysterio, Ricardo Rodriguez

78: Beth Phoenix, Brodus Clay, Curt Hawkins, Davey Richards, Devon, El Generico, Husky Harris, Mark Henry, Mickie James

77: Antonio Cesaro, Archibald Peck, Jeremy Borash, JTG, Matt Morgan, Mark Briscoe, Nick Rogers, Xavier Woods

76: Abyss, Adam Cole, AJ Lee, Angelina Love, Brock Lesnar, Byron Saxton, Chris Sabin, Christy Hemme, Conor O'Brian, Damien Sandow, Kenny King, Madison Rayne, Percy Watson, Rhino, Sean Waltman

75: Kazarian

74: Aiden English, Charlie Haas, David Otunga, Douglas Williams, Eve Torres, Gunner, Hunico, Jeff Hardy, Johnny Curtis, Kid Kash, Maria Kanellis, Maxine, Shane Hagadorn, Sin Cara, Tara, Truth Martini, Zema Ion

73: Abraham Washington, Brad Maddox, Brooke Hogan, Corey Graves, Joseph Mercury, Mike Mondo, Trent Barreta

72: Caprice Coleman, CJ Parker, Ezekiel Jackson, Gail Kim, Hector Guerrero, Kelly Kelly, Primo, Robbie E, Shelton Benjamin, Ted DiBiase, Winter

71: Bo Rotundo, Bob Evans, Crimson, Raquel Diaz

70: Rhett Titus

69: Aksana, Alicia Fox, ODB, Paige, Ryback

68: Brooke Tessmacher, Grizzly Redwood, Hernandez, Mike Bennett, Naomi Night, Seth Rollins

67: Adam Mercer, Darren Young, Garett Bischoff, Jey Uso, Jimmy Uso, Mason Ryan, So Cal Val

66: Cedric Alexander, Finlay, Kharma, Sarah Stock, Sonny Elliot, Tensai, Tommaso Ciampa, Tyson Kidd

65:

64: Colin Cassady, Dixie Carter, Heath Slater, Justin Gabriel, Leakee, Leo Kruger, Michael McGillicutty, Titus O'Neil

63: Cameron Lynn, Eddie Edwards, Epico, Roderick Strong, TJ Perkins

62: Dante Dash, Kaitlyn, Mia Yim

61: Alexander Rusev, Audrey Marie, Kenneth Cameron, Marcus Anthony, Richie Steamboat, Rick Victor, Tyler Reks

60:

59: Briley Pierce, Brodie Lee, Eli Cottonwood, Garrett Dylan, Matt Jackson, Nick Jackson, Robbie T, Rosita, Sofia Cortez, Tamina Snuka, Val Kabious

58: Matt Taven, Mr. Ernesto Osiris, Rosa Mendes, Tenille

57: Caylee Turner, Jake Carter, The Great Khali, Veda Scott

56: Camacho, Evan Bourne, Kyle O'Reilly

55:

54: Alex Silva, Jason Jordan, Jesse Sorensen, Michael Elgin, Sakamoto, Yoshi Tatsu

52: James Bronson, Summer Rae

51: Big E Langston, Erick Rowan

50: Andy Ridge

49:

48: Ricky Reyes

47: Benicio Salazar, Mike Dalton

46: Jiro

44: Linda McMahon

39: Harlem Bravado

38: Derek Foore, DT Porter

37:

36: Lancelot Bravado

Edited June 21, 2012 by conker8

[Guest mr. potato head]

Speaking of PRIDE - isn't Tajiri's Wrestling New Classic taking its place in the Japanese touring promotions? And isn't the "Shooting Ability" stat's only real purpose to determine which Japanese feds they'll tour with?

I might be wrong, and got things mixed up, and PRIDE has been replaced by something else, but if that is the case, then perhaps a re-shuffle of Japanese promotions would be in need to make that stat remotely relevant?

The problem is the source codes. The problem is that we cannot edit the Japanese promotions in name or how they work due to the source code being gone. In my opinion, PRIDE and Battlearts should both be blank touring commitments due to the fact they are both shut down (PRIDE is now a part of UFC and Battlearts closed.)

I know that the promotions themselves can't be edited, but most stats updaters have pretty much arbitrarily assigned new promotions to them. So "PRIDE" in the game is used to represent Wrestling New Classic (I believe) in this stats update.

But how PRIDE in the game works, is that they will prioritise workers with shooting ability. As far as I know, that is the only purpose of the shooting ability stat. So what I'm suggesting is either that we start using that stat to represent something else, that would make them more likely for Wrestling New Classic to prioritise that worker or, more conceivably, that we start using "PRIDE" to represent a promotion that still does employ more MMA-styled workers. Possibly Inoki Genome Federation, or U-SPIRITS, for example.

I'd probably be able to explain this better if I actually had more of an idea as to what Japanese promotion in the game equates to what equivalent in the stats update, and how Japanese promotions hiring works. Does anyone have that info to hand?

I believe Shooting Ability also affects a gimmick or two, but I could be wrong on that, and even if I'm right, it doesn't take away from anything you said.

[Bill1996]

picking up from earlier posts, I think it's a bit of a stat inflation issue causing some weird comparisons/ranks. While we're all pretty keen on raising stats when needed, I don't think we're nearly as good at lowering them and that creates a sort of imbalance or odd number in relation to someone else.I don't know if things are supposed to be normalized, but I think they've gotten a bit away from there.

I couldn't agree more with this post, but it's gonna take a lot of work to fix.

Like I do for my 1992 Scenario, I think we can make some "ladders" to see where are the flaws in comparisons.

I think we should start with the Big 3 promotions :

Brawl:

86: Edge

85: Samoa Joe

84: Bully Ray, Davey Richards, Undertaker

83: Finlay, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, William Regal

82: Daniel Bryan, Sheamus

81: Abyss, Brock Lesnar, James Storm, Kassius Ohno, Kevin Steen, Matt Morgan, Randy Orton, Rhino

80: Kurt Angle

79: Chris Jericho, Christian, CM Punk, Eddie Edwards, Jay Briscoe, Jimmy Jacobs, John Cena, Rob Van Dam, Roderick Strong

78: Bobby Roode, Cody Rhodes, Hernandez, Mark Briscoe, Steve Corino, Wade Barrett

77: Drew McIntyre, Jack Swagger, Jeff Jarrett, Tensai

76: Booker T, Dolph Ziggler, Kane, Kyle O'Reilly, Mick Foley, Mr. Anderson

75:

74: Al Snow, Big Show, Brodie Lee, Dean Ambrose, Delirious, Douglas Williams, Justin Gabriel, Michael Elgin, R-Truth, Ted DiBiase, The Rock, Tommaso Ciampa, Zack Ryder

73: Alberto Del Rio, Curt Hawkins, D'Angelo Dinero, Devon, Epico, Ezekiel Jackson, Heath Slater, Kevin Nash, Michael McGillicutty, Nigel McGuinness, Ricky Reyes, Shelton Benjamin, TJ Perkins, Tyler Reks

72: Alex Riley, Austin Aries, Gunner, Mark Henry, Ric Flair, Ryback, Sting

71: AJ Styles, Antonio Cesaro, Brutus Magnus, Cedric Alexander, Damien Sandow, Husky Harris, Jey Uso, Kofi Kingston, Mason Ryan, Santino Marella, Seth Rollins, The Miz

70:

69: Brodus Clay, Conor O'Brian, Jeff Hardy, Jerry Lawler, Jimmy Uso, Xavier Woods

68: Adam Cole, Bo Dallas (Rotundo), Derrick Bateman, Jake Carter, Jinder Mahal, Mike Mondo, Rick Victor, Taz, Yoshi Tatsu

67: David Otunga, Joseph Mercury, Kennet Cameron, Mike Bennett, Richie Steamboat, Steve Austin

66: Charlie Haas, Dante Dash, Leakee, Marcus Anthony, Robbie E, Sakamoto

65: El Generico, Rhett Titus, Titus O'Neil

64: Alexander Rusev, Big E Langston, Crimson, Darren Young, DT Porter, James Bronson, Jesse James, Johnny Curtis, JTG, Rey Mysterio, Sean Waltman, Val Kabious

63: Eric Young, Grizzly Redwood, Harlem Bravado, Jiro, Percy Watson, Primo, Ricardo Rodriguez

62 : Abraham Washington, Camacho, John Laurinaitis, Kid Kash, Sean Cara, Tyson Kidd

61: Christopher Daniels, Robbie T

60: Andy Ridge

59: Aiden English, Colin Cassady, Hulk Hogan, Kenny King, Leo Kruger, Matt Striker, Mr. Ernesto Osiris

58: Byron Saxton, Corey Graves, Erik Rowan, Garrett Dylan

57: Briley Pierce, CJ Parker, Hunico, Jason Jordan

56: Lancelot Bravado, Sonny Elliot, The Great Khali

55:

54: Caprice Coleman, Evan Bourne, Garrett Bischoff, Matt Jackson, Mr. McMahon, Zema Ion

53: Dusty Rhodes, Mike Dalton, Prince Nana

52:

51: Brad Maddox, Nick Rogers

50: Trent Barreta

49: Bret Hart, Chris Sabin

48: Jesse Sorensen

47: Alex Silva, Bob Evans, Hector Guerrero, Nick Jackson

46: Eli Cottonwood

45: Kazarian

44: Adam Mercer, Archibald Peck, Derek Foore

43:

42: Shane Hagadorn

41: Jay Lethal

40:

37: Eric Bischoff

36: Matt Taven

35:

34: Benicio Salazar

26: Hornswoggle

25:

24: Truth Martini

11: Paul Heyman

10: Jim Cornette

7: Theodore Long, Jeremy Borash

Speed:

91: Evan Bourne, Sin Cara

87: El Generico

86: AJ Styles, Nick Jackson

85: Seth Rollins

84: Chris Sabin, Justin Gabriel

83: Austin Aries, Matt Jackson, Rey Mysterio

82: Davey Richards, Jay Lethal, Kazarian

81: Kofi Kingston, Rob Van Dam

80:

79: Trent Barreta

78: Christopher Daniels, Hunico, Sean Waltman, Zema Ion

77: Daniel Bryan, Eddie Edwards, TJ Perkins

76: Caprice Coleman, Cedric Alexander, Delirious, Eric Young, Jeff Hardy, Jesse Sorensen, R-Truth, Tyson Kidd

75: Joseph Mercury, Kenny King

74: Antonio Cesaro, Mark Briscoe, Shelton Benjamin, Xavier Woods

73: Dolph Ziggler, Primo

72: Bo Dallas (Rotundo), Jay Briscoe, Mike Dalton

71: Alberto Del Rio, Brad Maddox, Jey Uso, JTG, Kassius Ohno, Kid Kash, Yoshi Tatsu

70: Shawn Michaels

69: Chris Jericho, Jimmy Jacobs, Robbie E

68: Epico, Ricardo Rodriguez

67:

66: Benicio Salazar, CM Punk, Kevin Steen, Leo Kruger

65: Roderick Strong

64: Mike Mondo, Richie Steamboat

63:

62: Adam Cole, Andy Ridge, Jimmy Uso, Jiro, Kyle O'Reilly, Kurt Angle

61: Christian, Harlem Bravado, Zack Ryder

59: Corey Graves, James Storm, Nick Rogers, Truth Martini

58: Alex Silva, Heath Slater

57: Brutus Magnus, Rick Victor

56: Derrick Bateman, Matt Taven, Ricky Reyes, Samoa Joe

55: Byron Saxton, D'Angelo Dinero, Matt Striker

54: Brock Lesnar, Charlie Haas, Cody Rhodes, Curt Hawkins

53: Johnny Curtis, Michael Elgin, Ted DiBiase, The Miz

52: Prince Nana

51: Archibald Peck, Lancelot Bravado

50: Mr. Ernesto Osiris

49: Hernandez, Husky Harris, Jason Jordan, Val Kabious

48: Al Snow, Grizzly Redwood, Sakamoto

47: Brodie Lee, Gunner

46: Alex Riley, CJ Parker, Leakee

45: Conor O'Brian

44: Dean Ambrose, Garett Bischoff, Hornswoggle, Jack Swagger, Sheamus

43: Bobby Roode, Tyler Reks

42: Rhett Titus

41: John Cena, Nigel McGuinness

40:

39: Crimson, Edge, Garrett Dylan, Jinder Mahal

38: Steve Corino, Tommaso Ciampa

37: Aiden English, Briley Pierce, Dante Dash, Matt Morgan, Michael McGillicutty, Mr. Anderson

36: Drew McIntyre, Kenneth Cameron

35: Shane Hagadorn

34: Undertaker

33:

32: Mike Bennett

31: Brodus Clay, Camacho, Percy Watson, Randy Orton, Ryback, Santino Marella, Wade Barrett

30:

29: Abraham Washington, Damien Sandow, Darren Young, Jeff Jarrett

28: Alexander Rusev, Booker T, Douglas Williams, Sonny Elliot, William Regal

27: DT Porter, Mason Ryan

26: David Otunga, Derek Foore, Marcus Anthony

25: Sting

24: Abyss, Bob Evans, Hector Guerrero

23: The Rock

22: Kane

21: Finlay, Triple H

20:

19: Big E Langston, Big Show, Devon, Rhino, Titus O'Neil

18: Robbie T

17: Ezekiel Jackson, Mick Foley, Tensai

16: James Bronson

15:

14: Adam Mercer, Bully Ray, Jake Carter, Jerry Lawler

13: Colin Cassady, Jesse James

12: John Laurinaitis, Taz

11:

10:

9: Erick Rowan

8: Mr. McMahon, Ric Flair

7: Eli Cottonwood, Kevin Nash

6: Mark Henry

5: Eric Bischoff

4: Steve Austin

3: Bret Hart, Dusty Rhodes

2: Hulk Hogan, Theodore Long

1: Jeremy Borash, Paul Heyman, The Great Khali

0: Jim Cornette

Tech:

93: Daniel Bryan

89: William Regal, Nigel McGuinness

88: Davey Richards, Douglas Williams, Kassius Ohno, Kurt Angle

87:

86: Antonio Cesaro, Austin Aries, CM Punk

83: Christopher Daniels, Roderick Strong

82: Chris Jericho, Delirious

81: Christian, Dolph Ziggler, Eddie Edwards, Finlay, TJ Perkins, Tyson Kidd

80: Samoa Joe, Shawn Michaels

79: AJ Styles, Grizzly Redwood, Mike Mondo, Seth Rollins

78: Charlie Haas, Jack Swagger, Kyle O'Reilly, Rey Mysterio, Shelton Benjamin

77: Al Snow, El Generico, Jay Lethal, Kenny King, Kevin Steen, Steve Corino

76: Kazarian, Adam Cole

75: Matt Striker, Rhett Titus

74: Alberto Del Rio, Bobby Roode, Bo Rotundo, Cedric Alexander, Jeff Jarrett, Jesse Sorensen, Kid Kash, Michael McGillicutty, Tommaso Ciampa, Zema Ion

73: Derrick Bateman, Jay Briscoe, Justin Gabriel, Ted DiBiase, Triple H

72: Edge, Johnny Curtis

71: Evan Bourne, Jimmy Jacobs, Ricky Reyes

70: Yoshi Tatsu

69: Brock Lesnar, Brutus Magnus, Chris Sabin, Corey Graves, Dean Ambrose, James Storm, Mark Briscoe, Matt Jackson, Wade Barrett

68: Caprice Coleman, Derek Foore, Drew McIntyre, Xavier Woods, Zack Ryder

67: Cody Rhodes, Curt Hawkins, Kofi Kingston, Nick Rogers, Sin Cara

66: Eric Young, Heath Slater, Hunico, Nick Jackson, Sean Waltman, Taz

65: Hector Guerrero

64: Briley Pierce, Damien Sandow, Gunner, John Cena, Michael Elgin, Ric Flair, Richie Steamboat, Trent Barreta

63: Bret Hart, D'Angelo Dinero, Leo Kruger, Tyler Reks

62: Joseph Mercury, Randy Orton, Santino Marella, Sheamus

61: Conor O'Brian, Crimson, Mike Dalton, Primo, R-Truth

60: Andy Ridge, Mr. Ernesto Osiris

59: Archibald Peck, Brad Maddox, CJ Parker, James Bronson, Jiro, Rick Victor

58: Alex Silva, Benicio Salazar, Jason Jordan, Matt Taven, Rob Van Dam, Robbie E, Tensai

57: Bob Evans, Epico

56: Darren Young, Harlem Bravado, Jake Carter, Jeff Hardy, John Laurinaitis

55:

54: Mr. Anderson, Ricardo Rodriguez, Shane Hagadorn, The Miz

53: Booker T, Lancelot Bravado

52: Alex Riley, Undertaker

51: Alexander Rusev, Jinder Mahal, Kenneth Cameron

50:

49: Adam Mercer, Byron Saxton, Garett Bischoff, Garrett Dylan

48: Brodie Lee, Dante Dash

47: Jimmy Uso

46: Aiden English, Jey Uso, Mike Bennett, Sakamoto, Truth Martini

45:

44: Jerry Lawler, Percy Watson, Val Kabious

43: Leakee

42: Camacho

41: Rhino

40:

39: JTG, Matt Morgan, Prince Nana

38: Sting

37:

36: Brodus Clay

35:

34: Big Show, David Otunga, Husky Harris, Kane, Sonny Elliot, The Rock

33:

32: Big E Langston

31: Hernandez

30: DT Porter

29: Abyss, Bully Ray

28: Ryback

27: Steve Austin

26:

25:

24: Abraham Washington, Mason Ryan

23:

22:

21: Devon, Ezekiel Jackson, Mick Foley, Robbie T

20:

19: Colin Cassady, Marcus Anthony

18:

17: Hornswoggle

16: Jesse James, Mark Henry

15:

14:

13: Mr. McMahon, Titus O'Neil

12: Dusty Rhodes, Hulk Hogan

11: Erick Rowan, Kevin Nash

10: Eric Bischoff

4: Theodore Long

3: Eli Cottonwood, Paul Heyman, The Great Khali

2: Jeremy Borash

1:

0: Jim Cornette

Bold : Retired/Non-Wrestlers

EDIT:

Charisma:

100: Steve Austin, The Rock

99: CM Punk

98: Ric Flair

97: Chris Jericho

96: Edge, John Cena, Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, Mr. McMahon, Triple H

95:

94: Dusty Rhodes, Hulk Hogan, Jim Cornette, Shawn Michaels

93: Christian, Kevin Nash, Steve Corino

92: The Miz, Mr. Anderson

91: Booker T, Jerry Lawler, Paul Heyman, Sting, William Regal

90:

89: Bully Ray, Dean Ambrose, James Storm, R-Truth, Santino Marella

88: Alberto Del Rio, Eric Bischoff

87: Cody Rhodes, D'Angelo Dinero, Dolph Ziggler, Jesse James, Kassius Ohno, Matt Striker, Randy Orton

86: Kane, Taz, Theodore Long, Wade Barrett, Zack Ryder

85:

84: Al Snow, Bobby Roode, Big Show, Christopher Daniels, Derrick Bateman, Kevin Steen, Sheamus

83: Alex Riley, Austin Aries, Daniel Bryan, Drew McIntyre, Eric Young, Jeff Jarrett, Karen Jarrett, Undertaker, Velvet Sky, Vickie Guerrero

82: Delirious, Jack Swagger, Jay Briscoe, Jimmy Jacobs, John Laurinaitis, Layla El

81: AJ Styles, Bret Hart, Kofi Kingston, Prince Nana, Rob Van Dam, Samoa Joe, Stephanie McMahon, Trish Stratus

80:

79: Brutus Magnus, Hornswoggle, Jay Lethal, Jinder Mahal, Lilian Garcia, Nigel McGuinness, Rey Mysterio, Ricardo Rodriguez

78: Beth Phoenix, Brodus Clay, Curt Hawkins, Davey Richards, Devon, El Generico, Husky Harris, Mark Henry, Mickie James

77: Antonio Cesaro, Archibald Peck, Jeremy Borash, JTG, Matt Morgan, Mark Briscoe, Nick Rogers, Xavier Woods

76: Abyss, Adam Cole, AJ Lee, Angelina Love, Brock Lesnar, Byron Saxton, Chris Sabin, Christy Hemme, Conor O'Brian, Damien Sandow, Kenny King, Madison Rayne, Percy Watson, Rhino, Sean Waltman

75: Kazarian

74: Aiden English, Charlie Haas, David Otunga, Douglas Williams, Eve Torres, Gunner, Hunico, Jeff Hardy, Johnny Curtis, Kid Kash, Maria Kanellis, Maxine, Shane Hagadorn, Sin Cara, Tara, Truth Martini, Zema Ion

73: Abraham Washington, Brad Maddox, Brooke Hogan, Corey Graves, Joseph Mercury, Mike Mondo, Trent Barreta

72: Caprice Coleman, CJ Parker, Ezekiel Jackson, Gail Kim, Hector Guerrero, Kelly Kelly, Primo, Robbie E, Shelton Benjamin, Ted DiBiase, Winter

71: Bo Rotundo, Bob Evans, Crimson, Raquel Diaz

70: Rhett Titus

69: Aksana, Alicia Fox, ODB, Paige, Ryback

68: Brooke Tessmacher, Grizzly Redwood, Hernandez, Mike Bennett, Naomi Night, Seth Rollins

67: Adam Mercer, Darren Young, Garett Bischoff, Jey Uso, Jimmy Uso, Mason Ryan, So Cal Val

66: Cedric Alexander, Finlay, Kharma, Sarah Stock, Sonny Elliot, Tensai, Tommaso Ciampa, Tyson Kidd

65:

64: Colin Cassady, Dixie Carter, Heath Slater, Justin Gabriel, Leakee, Leo Kruger, Michael McGillicutty, Titus O'Neil

63: Cameron Lynn, Eddie Edwards, Epico, Roderick Strong, TJ Perkins

62: Dante Dash, Kaitlyn, Mia Yim

61: Alexander Rusev, Audrey Marie, Kenneth Cameron, Marcus Anthony, Richie Steamboat, Rick Victor, Tyler Reks

60:

59: Briley Pierce, Brodie Lee, Eli Cottonwood, Garrett Dylan, Matt Jackson, Nick Jackson, Robbie T, Rosita, Sofia Cortez, Tamina Snuka, Val Kabious

58: Matt Taven, Mr. Ernesto Osiris, Rosa Mendes, Tenille

57: Caylee Turner, Jake Carter, The Great Khali, Veda Scott

56: Camacho, Evan Bourne, Kyle O'Reilly

55:

54: Alex Silva, Jason Jordan, Jesse Sorensen, Michael Elgin, Sakamoto, Yoshi Tatsu

52: James Bronson, Summer Rae

51: Big E Langston, Erick Rowan

50: Andy Ridge

49:

48: Ricky Reyes

47: Benicio Salazar, Mike Dalton

46: Jiro

44: Linda McMahon

39: Harlem Bravado

38: Derek Foore, DT Porter

37:

36: Lancelot Bravado

To be honest, I'm not opposed to you all doing something liek this to adjust some stats where they are needed, if they are needed, but I would suggest holding off until the start of the month to do it, for two reasons:

1: My guess is, you're going off of the June update... Changes have been made since then and the numbers above that you posted are likely no longer 100% accurate for every worker.

2: Doing this at the start of the month gives time for debate and discussion, so when we get to the end of the month, we can have a better chance of having some sort of concensus of what we wanna do.

Also, it especially makes sense to hold off until the July update is released because chances are very good that I'll be taking a slight break in updating following the release of the July Update. I do all of the updating on my laptop and have gotten "hard drive errors" for a couple of months now. I have everything backed up and there's no risk in losing the update info or anything, but the fact is, I need to take the laptop in to get a new harddrive and I've been told it can take up to two weeks (I have a warranty on it, they have to send it in, yadda yadda). Long story short is, I am probably going to be without the laptop for a week or two at the start of July, so that would be a perfect time to work on adjusting stats in a major way, since the numbers won't change, due to me not being able to update anything.

Usually, I kinda get into grooves when I update and chances are, most stat changes that were suggested in the month of June have been done already (except for some overnesses, becuase I check those to make sure they work with the promotions and card positions). Doing something like this at the start of July, when I won't have the laptop and, as a result, won't be able to update, would just make a lot more sense, IMO. That way, everyone knows what the current values are (from what is in the July update) and everyone knows they won't change (since I won't be updating for a couple weeks). Doing them now is kind of like trying to hit a moving target... Chances are, some of the stuff that has been posted from the June update has already been changed in one way or another.

Hope that all makes sense to everyone.

-Bill

[Bill1996]

Speaking of PRIDE - isn't Tajiri's Wrestling New Classic taking its place in the Japanese touring promotions? And isn't the "Shooting Ability" stat's only real purpose to determine which Japanese feds they'll tour with?

I might be wrong, and got things mixed up, and PRIDE has been replaced by something else, but if that is the case, then perhaps a re-shuffle of Japanese promotions would be in need to make that stat remotely relevant?

The problem is the source codes. The problem is that we cannot edit the Japanese promotions in name or how they work due to the source code being gone. In my opinion, PRIDE and Battlearts should both be blank touring commitments due to the fact they are both shut down (PRIDE is now a part of UFC and Battlearts closed.)

I know that the promotions themselves can't be edited, but most stats updaters have pretty much arbitrarily assigned new promotions to them. So "PRIDE" in the game is used to represent Wrestling New Classic (I believe) in this stats update.

But how PRIDE in the game works, is that they will prioritise workers with shooting ability. As far as I know, that is the only purpose of the shooting ability stat. So what I'm suggesting is either that we start using that stat to represent something else, that would make them more likely for Wrestling New Classic to prioritise that worker or, more conceivably, that we start using "PRIDE" to represent a promotion that still does employ more MMA-styled workers. Possibly Inoki Genome Federation, or U-SPIRITS, for example.

I'd probably be able to explain this better if I actually had more of an idea as to what Japanese promotion in the game equates to what equivalent in the stats update, and how Japanese promotions hiring works. Does anyone have that info to hand?

Here's my quick thoughts on the Japanese promotions... I've been thinking about this for a while, actually:

I'm not sure that we should be subbing in promotions for defunct ones. The reason is, say Pride is defunct... How do we determine who to sub in for them and, more importantly, how do we remember which promotions are replacing what? I'll be honest, I couldn't tell you which Japanese promotions still exist, which are defunct, which ones are being represented by other Japanese promotions and which promotions are representing the defunct ones. 99.9% of the time, if I see a post regarding a japanese promotion, I just make the suggested change, since I assume the person posting knows more about it than I do.

The problem is, say one poster thinks that a defunct promotion (we can use Pride again) is "Replacement Japanese Promotion A" and suggests changes based on that, while another poster thinks that Pride is now "Replacement Japanese Promotion B" and makes suggestions based on that? We'd then get a mish-mash of "New Promotion A" and "New Promotion B" in the Pride slot.

My suggestion is to simply use the Japanese Promotions given to us. If Pride is defunct IRL, they shouldn't have any workers at the start of the game. As people play games, the program will automatically fill the roster for Pride, kind of giving them a "Rebirth" situation. I know it's not an ideal situation, but I honestly think it's the best one, to prevent any sort of confusion on what promotion is replacing a defunct one...

-Bill

Edited June 21, 2012 by Bill1996

[Guest Team 720]

The Japanese promotions:

All Japan Pro Wrestling, Michinoku Pro Wrestling, New Japan Pro Wrestling, Osaka Pro Wrestling, Pro Wrestling NOAH and Zero-One are all still currently active promotions.

BattlArts closed in 2011.

Pride formally shut down this year.

Toryumon exists but it does not. In 2004 The core of Toryumon Japan (including Naoki Tanisaki of Toryumon X) separtated from Ultimo Dragon and turned the remains into Dragon Gate. Since then only one Toryumon branded show happened. Similar to the closure of Smash leading to Wrestling New Classic being formed.

Wrestling Marvelous Future (which acts as DDT in the game) closed down in 2008.

World Japan (which acts as K-Dojo in the game) has not been around on a regular basis since 2004.

With these said,

I would remove Alexander Otsuka fro Michinoku Pro.

I would put Atsushi Kotoge into NOAH.

I would remove Bear Fukuda from Michinoku Pro.

I would put Daisuke Harada into Osaka Pro.

I would put Kenny Omega into All Japan, he is currently with DDT

I would put Kikutaro into NOAH, he is currently works for Diamond Ring, Kensuke Sasaki's joint venture/developmental territory for NOAH.

I would remove Onryo from Big Japan.

I would put TAKA Michinoku into New Japan, he is currently with K-Dojo.

I would remove The Winger from Osaka Pro.

I would put Ultimo Dragon into Michnoku Pro.

I think there are two Dingos.rather than the one that is currently in the game, Diamondback Dingo and Dingo Cannon. I will try to get stats for the second Dingo.

Edit:

Remove Brad Martin from All Japan.

Remove Phil Atlas from All Japan.

Remove Super Hate from All Japan

Remove TARU from All Japan.

Edited June 21, 2012 by Team 720

[Bill1996]

The Japanese promotions:

All Japan Pro Wrestling, Michinoku Pro Wrestling, New Japan Pro Wrestling, Osaka Pro Wrestling, Pro Wrestling NOAH and Zero-One are all still currently active promotions.

BattlArts closed in 2011.

Pride formally shut down this year.

Toryumon exists but it does not. In 2004 The core of Toryumon Japan (including Naoki Tanisaki of Toryumon X) separtated from Ultimo Dragon and turned the remains into Dragon Gate. Since then only one Toryumon branded show happened. Similar to the closure of Smash leading to Wrestling New Classic being formed.

Wrestling Marvelous Future (which acts as DDT in the game) closed down in 2008.

World Japan (which acts as K-Dojo in the game) has not been around on a regular basis since 2004.

So, just to simplify and confirm... If we were to do handle the Japanese Promotions the way I suggested above (meaning if they are defunct to make them empty)...

BattlArts, Pride, Toryumon, WMF and World Japan should be empty... Correct?

-Bill