What's with all the genres?

[tristy]

So, I was posting on another forum, right? And this chick asks everyone to list their favorite hardcore/metalcore bands.

What's with all the new genres of rock these days?

hardcore? metalcore? emo? screamo? grindcore?

What the hell is going on? And why do half of these bands listed under those genres (supposedly, like As I Lying Dying and Norma Jean) suck so bad?

And since when did straightedge hardcore become a genre?

[Summers]

What is.. hardcore, metalcore, grindcore and straightedge hardcore?

Thanks.

[tristy]

Your guess is as good as mine.

I miss the days when there was just Rock, Metal, Rap, R&B, etc etc. Now there are all kinds of subgenres for a genre, and subgenres for the subgenres.

It's fucking confusing.

[Guest The Real Deal]

Its far too complicated.

It should all be classified under one name instead of like 100 odd sub names that just complicate it.

[Guest b_h_s]

A better question is why do we place so much importance on meaningless labels and genres? I think it's the reason music sucks currently. I know that first sentence sounded a bit whiny goth "non-conformist" bullshit but what can you do.

[apsham]

It all comes along when people have conversations like this:

Guy 1: What kind of music do you listen to?

Guy 2: I like punk.

Guy 1: Oh yeah, what bands, I like ___ and ____.

Guy 2: That's not punk, I like ___ and ____.

Guy 1: What the hell are you talking about?

And it goes from there so people make the subgenres to avoid stupid arguments like that, either that or a band calls itself "a mix of ___ and ____" or coins the term themselves.

[thatshortguy]

A better question is why do we place so much importance on meaningless labels and genres?  I think it's the reason music sucks currently.  I know that first sentence sounded a bit whiny goth "non-conformist" bullshit but what can you do.

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No bullshit to it at all. We're too wrapped up in the idea that everything has to be neatly tucked away into its proper file. Fuck that, I want music.

[John MickClane]

Listen to the song "It's Still Rock and Roll To Me" by Billy Joel...

It's about how all these Genre's pop up, but he doesn't care...it's still rock to him....

Hence the name.

[Guest Bluesman]

That's nothing compared to the sub-genres of jazz and blues.

[VerbalUce]

I agree, I'm sick of the amount of genre's that end in core these days.

Hell, even punk rock has a ton of different genre's. There's Oi, Hardcore, 77 Style, Proto-Punk, Crust, Street, post punk, and even more that I'm probably forgetting. If somebody asks me what I like, I don't rattle off 18 different sub-genres. I think it's enough to say I like punk rock without naming off the 18 different sub-genres I listed above. If people want to know specifically what I like, I'll rattle off the bands I like.

Honestly I couldn't name a band that is Grindcore, Screamo, Metalcore, etc. because I have no idea what bands fit that criteria. What's next, vomitcore?

Edit - I was suddenly reminded of the genre "stoner rock". What the fuck? Stoner rock? Bands like the Melvins and Orange Goblin supposedly fit this genre. Ugh, what ever happened to good old fashioned rock and roll?

Edited January 15, 2005 by VerbalPuke

[K]

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/columns/gen...s_of_metal.html

If I asked a stranger in a bar what kind of music he liked, and he said Australian War Metal.. I might have to shit in his drink.

[Animal]

IMO there are two kinds of music

1. Rock

2. Other Crap

But seriously there are too many kinds of Metal these days, and to me it basically sounds the same. But I guess that if you know anything about it it sounds different and you would want to catogorize them so you don't get confused. And yes I know that is a crappy reason but try thinking of a better one!

[apsham]

If you want to see the biggest clusterfuck of genres ever, visit band pages at allmusic.com, and they'll list all the genres the band has supposedly ever played in.

[fineintent]

Genre is a way for crappy music journalists to piegon hole music, so if some foo' likes Good Charlotte they'll know that Simple Plan are roughly the same genre in Pop-Punk. I mean, what the fuck is Pop-Punk? That is the biggest musical oxymoron ever.

[K]

I hate it when nobody bands who suck and are never gonna get anywhere because they're shit say things like.

'We take the best bits of metallica and the best bits of nirvana, and mix them together to create something new and better'

NO. NO IT'S NOT BETTER.

[Emperor Fuckshit]

There are millions and millions of bands. Of course we need a lot of subdivisions.

If you want to see the biggest clusterfuck of genres ever, visit band pages at allmusic.com, and they'll list all the genres the band has supposedly ever played in.

[Tall Boi Byrne]

Metalcore is basically what bands like As I Lay Dying, Killswitch Engage and Lamb Of God play.

And of course you need sub divisions. Look at the differences between bands. If there was no divisions, bands like Opeth and Napalm Death would both just be Metal, yet sound nothing like each other.

Some genre's are pointless, but some need to be on place, just so that every band isn't just a "metal" band, or just a "rock" band. Genre's also allow you to check out similar music, as bands that fit in the genre's that you like.

Plus, allmusic.com is pretty accurate, as hardly any band stay in one genre with every song they do.

[Farmer Reil]

The problem with that is dude, there are now so many genres that nobody knows which genre is which, so they don't know what genre they're supposed to like.

Just stick with Power Metal. It's the only genre you actually need...

Edit: What the fuck? Australian War Metal...Kreator?

So Australian War Metal is basically heavy metal with a confusing name. Ok...

Machinehead..nu metal? I want to kill this writer...

I also can't believe they made a sub-genre of power metal just to stick Manowar in...Epic Metal? For the love of God.

And going by the description for Epic Metal, it's basically EXACTLY THE SAME AS POWER METAL. AS IS PROGRESSIVE METAL.

Die, music journalists. Die horrible, horrible deaths.

You've also got to love how the genres have become so confused that Cathedral are listen in no less than three of them.

Ugh. I'm glad I don't have to actually pay attention to any of this bullshit.

Random person: "What music do you like?"

Me: "Stuff that isn't shit."

That's a good enough answer.

Edited January 15, 2005 by TheReilDeal

[Tall Boi Byrne]

The problem with that is dude, there are now so many genres that nobody knows which genre is which, so they don't know what genre they're supposed to like.

Just stick with Power Metal. It's the only genre you actually need...

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It's not that hard, all you have to do is pay a little bit of attention. I could rattle off a good few genre's, bands in that genre, and descritions of the genre itself off the top of my head pretty easily, just because I read up on my metal, and therefore know these kinda things. Fair enough, genre's aren't great for the casual fan, but still....

[Emperor Fuckshit]

Reily, man, no one cares about that shitty nerdrock you listen to.

Cathedral are listen in no less than three of them.

[Tall Boi Byrne]

The problem with that is dude, there are now so many genres that nobody knows which genre is which, so they don't know what genre they're supposed to like.

Just stick with Power Metal. It's the only genre you actually need...

Edit: What the fuck? Australian War Metal...Kreator?

So Australian War Metal is basically heavy metal with a confusing name. Ok...

Machinehead..nu metal? I want to kill this writer...

I also can't believe they made a sub-genre of power metal just to stick Manowar in...Epic Metal? For the love of God.

And going by the description for Epic Metal, it's basically EXACTLY THE SAME AS POWER METAL. AS IS PROGRESSIVE METAL.

Die, music journalists. Die horrible, horrible deaths.

You've also got to love how the genres have become so confused that Cathedral are listen in no less than three of them.

Ugh. I'm glad I don't have to actually pay attention to any of this bullshit.

Random person: "What music do you like?"

Me: "Stuff that isn't shit."

That's a good enough answer.

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You do realise that that is one of the worst examples of genre defining that you can find. Some of it is good, but some, like the Australian War Metal, doesn't make any sense.

Power Metal and Progressive Metal aren't the same either, numbnuts.

And Machine Head's 3 and 4th album were basically Nu-Metal albums, so they can be lumped into nu-metal as well.

[kaya]

The problem with that is dude, there are now so many genres that nobody knows which genre is which, so they don't know what genre they're supposed to like.

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[tristy]

I don't really pay attention to what genre a band is. If someone asks me what genre a certain band is, I usually just say something basic like rock, metal, etc.

I still don't know exactly what genre The Mars Volta is. It probably has alot to do with me being kinda new to anything but metal, but TMV sounds completely original to me.

[K]

The problem with that is dude, there are now so many genres that nobody knows which genre is which, so they don't know what genre they're supposed to like.

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That doesnt make sense, if you like a certain kind of music, you'd the know the genre it's in, how you could not?

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Mmm. Lost a planet, Master Obi-Wan has. How embarrassing. How embarrassing.

[Farmer Reil]

The problem with that is dude, there are now so many genres that nobody knows which genre is which, so they don't know what genre they're supposed to like.

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That doesnt make sense, if you like a certain kind of music, you'd the know the genre it's in, how you could not?

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