EWR 2012 Stats Update: July PLEASE USE SPOILER TAGS

arwrestling · July 30, 2012

Quick note Bill. You have the wrong picture for Horsha. The picture you have is of Horshu aka Luther Reigns. I honnestly don't who Horsha is at all... Sorry.

Bill1996 · July 30, 2012

Quick note Bill. You have the wrong picture for Horsha. The picture you have is of Horshu aka Luther Reigns. I honnestly don't who Horsha is at all... Sorry.

Can't find anything under that name... Looks like a perfect one to remove.

-Bill

notatardis · July 31, 2012

Maybe Luther just had a sex change op.

kdcastles · July 31, 2012

Turn Epico, Primo and Rosa Mendes = Face
Turn Chris Jericho = Face
Turn Christian = Face
Turn Kane = Face
Remove Edge, Eli Cottonwood, Sonny Elliott off the WWE

You must be using an old scenario if Eli Cottonwood is still on WWE's roster.

July 31, 2012

Turn Epico, Primo and Rosa Mendes = Face
Turn Chris Jericho = Face
Turn Christian = Face
Turn Kane = Face
Remove Edge, Eli Cottonwood, Sonny Elliott off the WWEe

I would keep Edge in WWE and put Jericho and Kane as tweeners. They have not really done much to be considered faces at this point. For September's update we will know clearer. I would also say CM punk should be a tweener as well.

KrisClassic · July 31, 2012

Turn Epico, Primo and Rosa Mendes = Face
Turn Chris Jericho = Face
Turn Christian = Face
Turn Kane = Face
Remove Edge, Eli Cottonwood, Sonny Elliott off the WWE

I'd leave Edge on an open contract. As for Kane I'd leave him as a tweener.

-Raise Tony Kozina's overness to 41 and charisma to 68. Lower his wages to 16,000. Check Shooting. Given the recent incident involving him, Davey Richards, and Kyle O'Reilly, seeing his match vs. Ryan Kidd, and hearing Kyle O'Reilly's response, I think all of them deserve a massive drop in attitude and behavior (this whole incident was one of the most unprofessional things I have ever heard of happening by such high profile indy guys):

-Lower Tony Kozina's attitude to 59 and behavior to 65 (shooting on a sixteen year old kid in the ring, plus all of the other nonsense from that weekend).

-Davey Richard's attitude to 53 and behavior to 62 (he seemed to be the ring leader).

-Kyle O'Reilly's attitude to 66 and behavior to 68 (he seemed like he followed along with the actions and did not lead them in anyway, but still went along with them).

-Check Booker for Jaysin Strife. Raise his overness to 18. Add a hate relationship with him and the three above.

Unrelated:

-Check SS Look for Oliver Cain. Raise his brawl to 61, and technical to 62, and overness to 32. Raise his wages to 8,000.

Edited July 31, 2012 by KrisClassic

Adam · July 31, 2012

Contains minor Raw spoilers but regards the alignments of Jericho and Kane:

I'd say Jericho is a face based on his feud with Ziggler. He also teamed with a big babyface in Christian on Raw tonight. I'd say Kane is a face now too based on the last few weeks. In fact the last month or so, hell he even teamed quite willingly with Cena two weeks ago, his sworn enemy at the turn of the year.

July 31, 2012

Contains minor Raw spoilers but regards the alignments of Jericho and Kane:

I'd say Jericho is a face based on his feud with Ziggler. He also teamed with a big babyface in Christian on Raw tonight. I'd say Kane is a face now too based on the last few weeks. In fact the last month or so, hell he even teamed quite willingly with Cena two weeks ago, his sworn enemy at the turn of the year.

Response to the Spoiler:

I would say they are more tweeners than faces for now. I personally see them as heels who are teaming with faces. For Kane, he was a heel feuding with D-Bry (a bigger heel) and tagging up with Cena against bigger heels in Big Show and Jericho. Hell EVERYONE even Miz, attacked Big Show at Money in the Bank and I would not say they were faces based on that. I feel it will be better defined AFTER the game mod will be released so put them as tweeners.

DGUSA Spoilers:

Add a tag team for AR Fox and CIMA at 2 exp and make their finisher Lo Mein Pain Metora.
They won the DGUSA Open The United Gate titles.

Turn Epico, Primo and Rosa Mendes = Face
Turn Chris Jericho = Face
Turn Christian = Face
Turn Kane = Face
Remove Edge, Eli Cottonwood, Sonny Elliott off the WWE

I'd leave Edge on an open contract. As for Kane I'd leave him as a tweener

-Raise Tony Kozina's overness to 41 and charisma to 68. Lower his wages to 16,000. Check Shooting. Given the recent incident involving him, Davey Richards, and Kyle O'Reilly, seeing his match vs. Ryan Kidd, and hearing Kyle O'Reilly's response, I think all of them deserve a massive drop in attitude and behavior (this whole incident was one of the most unprofessional things I have ever heard of happening by such high profile indy guys):
-Lower Tony Kozina's attitude to 59 and behavior to 65 (shooting on a sixteen year old kid in the ring, plus all of the other nonsense from that weekend).
-Davey Richard's attitude to 53 and behavior to 62 (he seemed to be the ring leader).
-Kyle O'Reilly's attitude to 66 and behavior to 68 (he seemed like he followed along with the actions and did not lead them in anyway, but still went along with them).

Something sounded wrong with this so I checked this out on google search and found this via a game FAQ post:

Last night was a pretty insane night. Magnum Pro put on a legit show headlined by Richards, Kozina and O'Reilly. The co-main event was Davey Richards vs Jaysin Strife - it was the safest match I've ever seen Davey work but he was intense as EVER. Can't wait to see this on DVD. O'Reilly worked the main event vs Magnum Pro Champ Gunner Franks. But the real story from the show was Tony Kozina vs a 16 year-old punk from Cali named Ryan Kidd. **** felt INTENSE. It was a legit shoot. I'm not ****in' around. Before the match started, Kozina got on the mic and sounded like an annoyed 41 year-old. You see, this Ryan Kidd posts on his twitter that he's the fakest fake wrester. Yeah, not the wisest idea. Anyways, you'll never see a match like this ever again. Kozina started the match like he was in an amateur wrestling match. Kidd had no idea what to do. The rest of the match was Kozina legitimately humbling this kid. I've never seen anything like this. It's not like he was trying to murder the kid, but rather teach him a lesson. And what a lesson it was. 
My buddy is an indy wrestler and said that Kidd sat in a corner and talked to nobody after that.

It does not list anything about Richards and O'Reilly being involved BUT I found this about Richards.

Former ROH World champion Davey Richards is sadly developing quite the reputation for unprofessionalism within the wrestling business.New Japan Pro Wrestling (NJPW) recently stopped booking Richards after he missed a scheduled IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team title defence on May 3rd in Fukuoka, Japan. He had been involved in a minor car accident before he was set to fly out to Japan, but clearly New Japan management must have been upset enough about how he handled the incident to stop using him despite his immense talent.

He's also taking a strange leave of absence from ROH rings at the moment. No reason has been given for his presumed temporary departure (though it is starting to look like he may be gone for good), but clearly he's disgruntled with how ROH management has been booking him lately.
he made these outspoken comments:

And then we started this thing with [Dan] Severn and the whole thing got, in my opinion, stupid and it got ridiculous. Now [Eddie Edwards] is doing his thing and I'm doing my thing. We should still be tagging in my opinion, but I don't book things I guess.

You know, I love Jim [Cornette], but if you want an honesty and honesty is something I strongly believe in, I think he's outdated.

A lot of ROH wrestlers are quietly disgruntled with ROH over their booking and a recent loss of dates, but it's unusual for someone to so publicly gripe about the hand that feeds them.

Now, Adrenaline Pro Wrestling wrestler Jaysin Strife is publicly questioning Richards' professed honesty on Twitter after the lead star of Team Ambition allegedly threatened APW's promoter with physical harm and left the arena with $350 in hand without even working a match:

I may be a nobody, but I'd rather be that and professional and have REAL RESPECT, than be like @ttKozina1and his team ambition. Let's make a living in pro wrestling by robbing and threatening small local promoters. I can see how it's easy to "do this for a living."

I am disgraced and appalled that I ever shared a ring with those Team Ambition clowns. Disgusted that I ever looked up to and thought I would ever learn from those professionals. Know what I learned? How to be a real man and real professional and not cheat and rob indy. Promoters who put their hard earned money on the line to entertain people. Every one who sees this please RT everything I have to say.

Strife has also criticised Richards for completely crapping on Kevin Steen and CM Punk as workers during an afternoon seminar and Tony Kozina for shooting on 16-year-old Ryan Kidd during their match together the day before. If this is legitimate, then it paints Richards in a very bad light. An alternative account of the situation is added after the jump.

Update: More details on this shady affair from Dave Meltzer and a second opinion from someone backstage at the show in question have been added after the jump.More information was shared on facebook by Josh Donner who attended the event in person:

Attn all Bookers; Tony Kozina, Wesley Richards and Kyle O'Reily are theives. They threatened physical harm to a promoter today, and left an arena with a payday without working. Please be sure to watch out when they inquire about a booking. They demand to change predetermined matches and showed up to the event an hour after it had started. When they were told that the company did not need to be on the card due to said actions, they refused to take that for an answer. I feel for all the people that were affected by this today, and hope that some sort of justice is served.

Dave Meltzer on his daily news update at f4wonline.com today confirmed the incident as legit and gave more insight into the problems between APW and Davey Richards:

On the third night for Adrenaline Pro, they asked (because Kozina's foot was hurt and O'Reilly's back was bothering him) to work against four guys from the promotion in one match instead of separate bouts. They ended up going back-and-forth with the local promoter and at one point, it fell apart. However, they showed up to get paid and Blodgett said there were even threats made against the 115-pound promoter. They arrived at the end of the show, the situation was diffused and had a last minute [agreement]. The promoter wanted to change the pay because they had changed the booking. Everything them seemed okay, as they got paid in advance as a sign of good faith and then Blodgett said they went out the back door and left. On Richards' Facebook he apparently called [themselves] Team Bandits instead of Team Ambition. Blodgett said he feels at fault since he put the deal together to bring them in and then they ripped off his friend.

On fan forum ProWrestlingOnly.com, an employee for 3XW that posts under the name Hollinger. gave an account that matched Meltzer's:

I can shed some light...

The company I work for (3XW) helped a couple smaller local groups book Richards, Kozina, O'Reilly and one of their flunkies for a triple shot this weekend.

They worked for us Friday night. Everything went perfectly smooth. They were totally professional and already asking about coming back to work for us again.

Saturday night, I wasn't at the show. They set up camp outside the locker room, talking shit about everyone and everything involved with the show. Kozina went out for his match with Ryan, who is 16/17 years old, and told him he was changing the plan, and was going to teach him about respect. I haven't watched the video yet, but everyone I've talked to said he roughed the kid up, and legitimately choked him out in the finish.

Sunday afternoon, we show up at the venue and find the promoter, a friend of mine, pissed off. The show starts in 20 minutes and none of them have arrived. Davey has been texting him all day and is now demanding to change the card and put the four of them in an 8 man tag. Jeremy has already changed up the card for them multiple times through the day, but will not take them all out of separate matches, because of promises made to other workers, to the fans, and the price that had been negotiated for 4 separate matches. Show starts, Jeremy goes out and breaks the news to the crowd that they won't be on the show, and life goes on.

They finally do show up at the building before the main event goes on and demand to speak to Jeremy. He takes the issue out of the locker room and goes outside to meet them. They threaten to kick Jeremy's ass (and he's all of 140 pounds soaking wet) if he doesn't give them their money. He finally works out a deal that KOR and DR will work for a slightly reduced fee in the main event. He pays them upfront as a gesture of good faith (trying not to piss them off further, or get his ass kicked). They change into their gear and work out the plan for the match. As they're doing that, their stooge trainee is quietly running their bags back out to their truck. "Where's the wrist tape?" "Oh, I left it in the truck. Be right back." They run out the back door, into a waiting car with Kozina behind the wheel, the promoter out $350 mostly from his own pocket.

IMO Kyle is just in there by association so I would not lower him to the 60's in attitude and behavior. I would put him at 70.

Davey's Attitude should NOT be dropped to 53, that is one point below New Jack who has done a LOT worse over the years and would continually do these stunts (Mass Transit (to an extent,) the Vic Grimes attempted murder, Gypsy Joe, stabbing wrestlers , the Terri Runnels post-breakup issues and unprotected chair shot shoots to name a few) I would drop him no more than 62 for attitude and 65 for behavior.

Tony Kozina's I don't have any other situation for him but, he was the one doing the shooting so I would put him in the 65-68 range for both attitude and behavior.

tougie · July 31, 2012

I'm glad you guys brought this story up, I had no idea. Lost all respect for Davey, and Kozina....well he is a bitter (Let's see if this word is allowed) prick who never drew a dime in the wrestling biz.

July 31, 2012

In note I forgot to mention, it looks like Davey Richards is also gone from New Japan so remove that as a touring promotion.

Owen · July 31, 2012

Turn Epico, Primo and Rosa Mendes = Face
Turn Chris Jericho = Face
Turn Christian = Face
Turn Kane = Face
Remove Edge, Eli Cottonwood, Sonny Elliott off the WWE

Isn't Christian already a face? the others, fair enough.

Shouldn't Natalya Neidhart and Layla El be renamed, t remove their last names? As wasn't the case previously that there were people with those names already, although neither of these appear to be in the data anymore.. same with AJ too, I guess? I dunno, I know this has been discussed a lot before, but I thought this was the only reason they weren't renamed to their actual names?

July 31, 2012

Turn Epico, Primo and Rosa Mendes = Face
Turn Chris Jericho = Face
Turn Christian = Face
Turn Kane = Face
Remove Edge, Eli Cottonwood, Sonny Elliott off the WWE

Isn't Christian already a face? the others, fair enough.

Shouldn't Natalya Neidhart and Layla El be renamed, t remove their last names? As wasn't the case previously that there were people with those names already, although neither of these appear to be in the data anymore.. same with AJ too, I guess? I dunno, I know this has been discussed a lot before, but I thought this was the only reason they weren't renamed to their actual names?

AJ finally got her last name mentioned in WWE just this week after being named the RAW GM. Even if not, Bill has mentioned time and time again that he does not based on the deals with say Tiffany and WWE's Tiffany where the names are shared between workers or there is a chance they could be.

hippie · July 31, 2012

make CM Punk tweener.

MaSc · July 31, 2012

Turn Epico, Primo and Rosa Mendes = Face
Turn Chris Jericho = Face
Turn Christian = Face
Turn Kane = Face
Remove Edge, Eli Cottonwood, Sonny Elliott off the WWEe

I would keep Edge in WWE and put Jericho and Kane as tweeners. They have not really done much to be considered faces at this point. For September's update we will know clearer. I would also say CM punk should be a tweener as well.

Edge ist not under WWE Contract anymore (since April - not even a Legends-Contract) and is scheduled for Tommy Dreamers "House of Hardcore" Promotion and he will appear for Resistance Pro in the Future , so he should be removed.

KrisClassic · July 31, 2012

Richards should def have 50s for attitude - what he did is about as unprofessional as you can get. New Jack always seemed like more of a behavior issue than an attitude one. You never hear about him scamming promoters, or anything like that.

O'Reilly I would lower his attitude/behavior to the 60s based on the response that he wrote, and the fact that he went along with everything to begin with.

Edited July 31, 2012 by KrisClassic

July 31, 2012

Richards should def have 50s for attitude - what he did is about as unprofessional as you can get. New Jack always seemed like more of a behavior issue than an attitude one. You never hear about him scamming promoters, or anything like that.

O'Reilly I would lower his attitude/behavior to the 60s based on the response that he wrote, and the fact that he went along with everything to begin with.

So scamming promoters (and supposedly leading the whole thing with Kidd) is worse than stabbing people in the ring, tazering a guy and then tossing him off of a scaffold trying to legitimately kill the guy?

kdcastles · July 31, 2012

Richards should def have 50s for attitude - what he did is about as unprofessional as you can get. New Jack always seemed like more of a behavior issue than an attitude one. You never hear about him scamming promoters, or anything like that.

O'Reilly I would lower his attitude/behavior to the 60s based on the response that he wrote, and the fact that he went along with everything to begin with.

So scamming promoters (and supposedly leading the whole thing with Kidd) is worse than stabbing people in the ring, tazering a guy and then tossing him off of a scaffold trying to legitimately kill the guy?

Ummm, yeah? Didn't you hear? Attempted murder is not as bad as bullying and theft.

KrisClassic · July 31, 2012

I didn't say that. What I said was that it was a matter of difference between attitude and behavior. Those things that New Jack did seem to fall under the "behavior" stat, which for him is currently at 19. I am suggesting those three get their attitude (which covers business related things) and behavior lowered to the 50s-60s, neither of which is anywhere near New Jack's 19.

BTW, looking at the data, there is a Naoki Tanizaki and a Naoki Tanisaki. Are they the same person?

Edited July 31, 2012 by KrisClassic

Bill1996 · July 31, 2012

BTW, looking at the data, there is a Naoki Tanizaki and a Naoki Tanisaki. Are they the same person?

Pretty sure they aren't... From what I can recall, one of them got injured and another worker was playing the part during the injury, but using the z in Tanizaki, as opposed to the s in Tanisaki...

Red (or whatever name he's going under now) probably can explain it better, but pretty sure they are two different people.

-Bill

July 31, 2012

I didn't say that. What I said was that it was a matter of difference between attitude and behavior. Those things that New Jack did seem to fall under the "behavior" stat, which for him is currently at 19. I am suggesting those three get their attitude (which covers business related things) and behavior lowered to the 50s-60s, neither of which is anywhere near New Jack's 19.

BTW, looking at the data, there is a Naoki Tanizaki and a Naoki Tanisaki. Are they the same person?

The problem is the "behavior" issues with New Jack are actually incidents that happened in wrestling promotions. To me, What Davey, Kozina and O'Reilly have done more or less is wrestling exclusive. So I would think their behaviors should be better.

Naoki Tanizaki use to have Naoki Tanisaki as an alter ego due being an alternate spelling He might have wrestled a match or two under the Tanisaki name but I don't quite know, BUT then Naoki Tanizaki got injured earlier this year (leaving him on the IR for six months) and the former Tomahawk T.T. acted as Naoki while he was injured and adopted the name, image (including tattoos and hair style) and moves of Naoki (though maintaining the chops, splash mountains and Night Ride of his previous gimmick.) He was listed in results for months as Fake Naoki Tanizaki until the Dragon Gate spelling on results listed his name with the s instead of the z. Now that Naoki returned from injury, the fake Naoki considers himself to be the "real" Naoki and the real one is the imposter.

Edited July 31, 2012 by Team 720

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