Washington Redskins? More like Washington.. lack of... merchandising.. skins...

[Sousa]

Oh is that what that was supposed to be?

[Pizza]

I'm from Allentown, who a few years back got the Phillies triple-A minor league team. Team was given the name the Iron Pigs, due to the regions history of iron and steel production, and a contest was run to give the mascots its name. The most popular choice? Porkchop, since it was a pig. End result? Bunch of people said "Thats a racial insult for puerto ricans". I had never ever heard that until it was pointed out.

I've heard that for Portuguese. Never Puerto Rican.

[Sousa]

That's fine then, fuck the Portuguese.

[Lint]

I'm from Allentown, who a few years back got the Phillies triple-A minor league team. Team was given the name the Iron Pigs, due to the regions history of iron and steel production, and a contest was run to give the mascots its name. The most popular choice? Porkchop, since it was a pig. End result? Bunch of people said "Thats a racial insult for puerto ricans". I had never ever heard that until it was pointed out.

I've heard that for Portuguese. Never Puerto Rican.

Remember reading it in the newspaper at the time. Can't find a link to the article anymore, but this is from Wikipedia

On December 1, 2007, the IronPigs selected "PorkChop" as the name of their mascot from 7,300 submitted names. On December 2, 2007, the name was changed to Ferrous, derived from the chemical name for iron, because of complaints from the local Puerto Rican population, who alleged that "Pork Chop" was a racist term, despite the name being submitted by a young girl who lived in the Lehigh Valley area. The current mascots for the Lehigh Valley IronPigs are Ferrous and FeFe. Ferrous wears the number 26, which is the atomic number for iron. FeFe is named after the abbreviation for iron, Fe

[zero]

"American Indian" is a widely accepted term though. Depending on who you ask, most prefer American Indian or even Indian to Native American.

Still doesn't mean Indian should be an acceptable team name... unless, ya know, it's a team of actual Indians.

Most of these teams can be changed with little more than a simple logo change. It never even occurred to me that a lot of teams named "Warriors" even had Indian connotations because that word is so broad, you can update your logo or branding without changing the name. Same with stuff like The Blackhawks, just change the logo to a black hawk, problem solved.

But Redskins is particularly racist and basically like having a team called the DC Darkies or the Washington Orientals, phrases you would never say to someone and not expect to get punched in the face. The Indians mascot should be next to go, along with that stupid fucking Tomahawk Chop in Atlanta, but Redskins is super racist and it's shocking it's even up for debate. Our treatment of American Indians is one of the greatest atrocities this country has ever committed, our original sin, and the fact that we're so cavalier about it "because football," is so dumb.

Whats wrong with Orient?

"Oriental" is one of those words like "negro" that wasn't inherently racist until it started getting used a lot by racists. Kinda like "retard" or "cripple," words that have legitimate origins but you wouldn't call a disabled person a "cripple" to their face today and not be considered offensive.

I don't think Oriental carries the same connotations outside the US, but it's considered offensive here.

[Pizza]

That's fine then, fuck the Portuguese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousa_(surname)

Sousa (European Portuguese: [ˈsozɐ]) or de Sousa (literally, from Sousa) is a commonPortuguese language surname, especially in Portugal,

[MDK]

"American Indian" is a widely accepted term though. Depending on who you ask, most prefer American Indian or even Indian to Native American.

Still doesn't mean Indian should be an acceptable team name... unless, ya know, it's a team of actual Indians.

Most of these teams can be changed with little more than a simple logo change. It never even occurred to me that a lot of teams named "Warriors" even had Indian connotations because that word is so broad, you can update your logo or branding without changing the name. Same with stuff like The Blackhawks, just change the logo to a black hawk, problem solved.

But Redskins is particularly racist and basically like having a team called the DC Darkies or the Washington Orientals, phrases you would never say to someone and not expect to get punched in the face. The Indians mascot should be next to go, along with that stupid fucking Tomahawk Chop in Atlanta, but Redskins is super racist and it's shocking it's even up for debate. Our treatment of American Indians is one of the greatest atrocities this country has ever committed, our original sin, and the fact that we're so cavalier about it "because football," is so dumb.

Whats wrong with Orient?

"Oriental" is one of those words like "negro" that wasn't inherently racist until it started getting used a lot by racists. Kinda like "retard" or "cripple," words that have legitimate origins but you wouldn't call a disabled person a "cripple" to their face today and not be considered offensive.

I don't think Oriental carries the same connotations outside the US, but it's considered offensive here.

I guess Leyton Orient shouldn't do a U.S tour then

[zero]

Orient isn't offensive in itself, just don't call an Asian person an Oriental.

[Sousa]

That's fine then, fuck the Portuguese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousa_(surname)

Sousa (European Portuguese: [ˈsozɐ]) or de Sousa (literally, from Sousa) is a commonPortuguese language surname, especially in Portugal,

Ever since I found that out a few months back I have been debating bringing it up here, but I thought it'd be more fun to see if somebody else did first.

"Asian" is another term that's bothered me for a while, mostly because Asia is really, really large and incorporates a huge chunk of land beyond the "Far East" or whatevz.

[gunnar hendershow]

That's fine then, fuck the Portuguese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousa_(surname)

Sousa (European Portuguese: [ˈsozɐ]) or de Sousa (literally, from Sousa) is a commonPortuguese language surname, especially in Portugal,

Ever since I found that out a few months back I have been debating bringing it up here, but I thought it'd be more fun to see if somebody else did first.

"Asian" is another term that's bothered me for a while, mostly because Asia is really, really large and incorporates a huge chunk of land beyond the "Far East" or whatevz.

Yeah I encountered a lot of "But we're Asian too!" when I was in India. Of course a common word choice for people from the Far East used there is "Chinky" so uhhh... yeahhh... (I told them don't go around saying that in the US, but for some I was too late)

I generally avoid "Asian" or "East Asian" as a term though. Indian, Pakistani, Afghan, Arab, and Russian all get their own distinguishment but everyone from Korea, China, Vietnam, Japan, Thailand, Taiwan, Indonesia, Cambodia, etc. gets lumped together.

[Lineker]

"Asian" is another term that's bothered me for a while, mostly because Asia is really, really large and incorporates a huge chunk of land beyond the "Far East" or whatevz.

I don't see anything wrong with it. Sure, if someone is using it in a derogatory sense then fair enough, but otherwise it would be like someone calling me a European. Nothing wrong with that at all.

[METALMAN]

The one that really annoys me is "people of colour". It makes it sound like an affliction.

[zero]

"People of Color" has become the standard for the ultra-left, which bugs me because it's way too close to "colored people."

[Lineker]

It's exactly the same.

[Purple!]

Come on now, it's difficult being both politically correct and using conversational shorthand people will recognise. If I can't say 'person of colour', how else do I express solidarity with my fellow peoples of... something other than colour.

As a non-white person, I...

As a brownie, I...

As a wild, not-European savage barely evolved past using sharpened sticks to hunt my lunch, I...

[Colly]

You just say black. :/

Edit: I didn't actually read to the end. Fuck me.

[Purple!]

But I'm not African-American, or African...

Plus I spend most of my time desperately hiding from the sun, so my skin has been described as being something between 'tan' and 'person with liver cancer'.

[Colly]

You just say the race you're actually referring to. It really isn't difficult.

[Purple!]

Ahem... 'This is evident in the racial prejudice reported by Africans who immigrated to America sometime after the slave trade, African-Americans, Native Americans, Indian-Americans, Chinese-Americans, Japanese-Americans, Laos-Americans, Korean-Americans...'

[Colly]

Native Americans immigrated to America after the slave trade?