Emo makes it to number 1

[MalaCloudy Black]

Embrace & Husker Du are two of the largest influences on emo alongside Fugazi. Admittedly most don't consider but one Husker Du album to be emo, but they influenced the likes of DC bands like Moss Icon & Gray Matter and are widely considered to be the "first wave of emo". JEW and the Promise Ring didn't come along until the mid/early 90's.

As I noted, I thought you were somehow referencing the UK Embrace.

And my point was that what it is considered now isn't the same as it was considered in the mid 90's, which apparently wasn't the same as it was considered in the 80's (which I wasn't aware of). However, I've also said before that I won't argue what bands are or aren't emo, because genres change. JEW are emo, Finch are emo, The Promise Ring are emo and Taking Back Sunday and such are emo, genres change.

I just think its funny that a lot of people seem to miss out on the influx of emo bands in the mid 90's/late 90's that sound nothing that similar to either the early or the newer stuff, but was still considered it.

I'm not going to deny that the likes of JEW/Finch/Promise Ring et al are emo because they are. Emo *does* change, like you said, but there are just as many (if not more) bands that adhere to the hardcore style originally associated with emo than there are bands like TBS that have taken the genre and infused it with poppy hooks and the like.

EDIT:

EDIT: Knowing what you are talking about meaning grabbing the Wikipedia article, ay? Since the bands you listed were conveniently all listed in that near the top....

I admittedly used Wiki to double check on my points but Embrace, Rites of Spring, Gray Matter, & Husker Du I would have brought up anyway - The only one that i pulled directly from that article was Moss Icon. It's already pretty widely known by fans of the genre that Rites of Spring/Embrace/Husker Du are considered a huge influence on the genre. Besides, that'd be like if we were arguing metal and you brought up Priest or Maiden - who are prominently featured in wiki's heavy metal article. I could just as easily claim in an instance like that that you're just pulling shit from the heavy metal wiki.

Edited October 18, 2006 by CloudStrife Ate My Fucking Donut

[Liam]

Embrace & Husker Du are two of the largest influences on emo alongside Fugazi. Admittedly most don't consider but one Husker Du album to be emo, but they influenced the likes of DC bands like Moss Icon & Gray Matter and are widely considered to be the "first wave of emo". JEW and the Promise Ring didn't come along until the mid/early 90's.

As I noted, I thought you were somehow referencing the UK Embrace.

And my point was that what it is considered now isn't the same as it was considered in the mid 90's, which apparently wasn't the same as it was considered in the 80's (which I wasn't aware of). However, I've also said before that I won't argue what bands are or aren't emo, because genres change. JEW are emo, Finch are emo, The Promise Ring are emo and Taking Back Sunday and such are emo, genres change.

I just think its funny that a lot of people seem to miss out on the influx of emo bands in the mid 90's/late 90's that sound nothing that similar to either the early or the newer stuff, but was still considered it.

I'm not going to deny that the likes of JEW/Finch/Promise Ring et al are emo because they are. Emo *does* change, like you said, but there are just as many (if not more) bands that adhere to the hardcore style originally associated with emo than there are bands like TBS that have taken the genre and infused it with poppy hooks and the like.

EDIT:

EDIT: Knowing what you are talking about meaning grabbing the Wikipedia article, ay? Since the bands you listed were conveniently all listed in that near the top....

I admittedly used Wiki to double check on my points but Embrace, Rites of Spring, Gray Matter, & Husker Du I would have brought up anyway - The only one that i pulled directly from that article was Moss Icon. It's already pretty widely known by fans of the genre that Rites of Spring/Embrace/Husker Du are considered a huge influence on the genre. Besides, that'd be like if we were arguing metal and you brought up Priest or Maiden - who are prominently featured in wiki's heavy metal article. I could just as easily claim in an instance like that that you're just pulling shit from the heavy metal wiki.

I wouldn't bring up Judas Priest

And from what I've heard, aren't most of the bands who still stick close to the hardcore stylings leaning more to being "screamo", or whatever it is YI calls them? With emo kinda being used more for the softer counterparts?

[MalaCloudy Black]

I don't know, I always found screamo and emo pretty interchangeable. Although what you said sounds about right - most people I run into call bands like Get Up Kids and SDRE emo while calling CTTS or Gray Matter screamo etc.

[MalaCloudy Black]

PS to all: Yes I have nothing better to do than argue genre semantics.

[aznhitman]

Since when was Emo rock?

I thought it was country music's angry cousin.

[Dan]

No.

Country musics cousin is all them half naked zulus.

[TheCrippler]

Cloudy seems to know what he's talking about.

And that is what I meant 6 pages back when I was talking about emo becoming a dirty word. I remember when emo was good.

Rites of Spring are widely regarded as one of the first emo bands around, they kind of broke away from the hardcore scene and started doing emotive hardcore, hence the term emo. Bands like Embrace and their ilk soon followed.

The second wave of Emo came with bands like The Promise Ring and Sunny Day Real Estate, who evolved it into a softer style of music, but still keeping many of the same basic principles. JEW and the like were bands that followed on from this.

Emo purists will piss on the Finch and Taking Back Sunday suggestion though, whereas I would class them as 'modern' emo in a way.

It is all a rather pointless argument though, because most casual music fans will not look back at the roots of a movement before they start labelling any fag in mascara as emo. Although it's funny that a term that was originally coined as an insult, then went on to define and categorize some fantastic music, has now come full circle and is once again an insult.

[DMN in the House]

Real hardcore needs to come back.

I miss Suicidal Tendencies.

[Benji]

Cute.

[K]

Punk Rock is dead. AND I'M PUNK ROCK.

[MDK]

Real hardcore needs to come back.

I miss Suicidal Tendencies.

Amen to that brother. Weren't they working on a new album? I haven't checked in ages.

[(həd)]

Punk Rock is dead. AND I'M PUNK ROCK.

[The Kraig]

Cute.

[Benjamin]

Oh, you're so pretty with your pink hair.

Blue skin bullshit, fuck you.

You're useless herded sheep.

And you're never gonna get me.

Cause you're all frauds.

Sing, oh mighty brotha'...

[YI]

Embrace & Husker Du are two of the largest influences on emo alongside Fugazi. Admittedly most don't consider but one Husker Du album to be emo, but they influenced the likes of DC bands like Moss Icon & Gray Matter and are widely considered to be the "first wave of emo". JEW and the Promise Ring didn't come along until the mid/early 90's.

As I noted, I thought you were somehow referencing the UK Embrace.

And my point was that what it is considered now isn't the same as it was considered in the mid 90's, which apparently wasn't the same as it was considered in the 80's (which I wasn't aware of). However, I've also said before that I won't argue what bands are or aren't emo, because genres change. JEW are emo, Finch are emo, The Promise Ring are emo and Taking Back Sunday and such are emo, genres change.

I just think its funny that a lot of people seem to miss out on the influx of emo bands in the mid 90's/late 90's that sound nothing that similar to either the early or the newer stuff, but was still considered it.

[ChrisSteeleAteMyHamster]

Cute.

:lmao:

"Emo is bullshit!" added Urie. "If people want to take it for the literal sense of the word, yes we're an emotional band, we put a lot of thought into what we do. People always try to stereotype us, but we don't fit the emo stereotype."

[Summers]

I love how people start crying about how "Rock is dead".

No, no it isn't. It's just changed.

If you don't like what it is now, go find something you do like or listen to some older music instead of crying about it.

I'd much rather have someone singing and using instruments to some random half naked nigger bitch singing about her ex-boyfriend or whatever shit those fucking zulus keep putting out.

Lol, love you. Made me lol.

Cute.

:lmao:

But what they said is true.. so it's hardly worth laughing your ass off.

Cute.

:lmao:

"Emo is bullshit!" added Urie. "If people want to take it for the literal sense of the word, yes we're an emotional band, we put a lot of thought into what we do. People always try to stereotype us, but we don't fit the emo stereotype."

Don't really see what you added to it, by copying part of the article.. care to elaborate?

[Liam]

As Cloudy said, emo is an offshot of hardcore, so yeah, Panic! At The Disco really aren't emo. They are basically like a synthed up pop-punk group.

[K]

Too much paranoia about

Who that you should be

I've got to dress like this

Hey, you look like me

Your ideas are all implanted

You don't care that they're not yours

You're a slave to your TV

Indoctrinated to the cause

[Farmer Reil]

Kettle declares pot "Black!"

"People always try to stereotype us, but we don't fit the emo stereotype."

Of course not. Wearing makeup, having stupid hair and wearing suits all the time in no way fits the emo stereotype.

If you don't want to be labelled an emo, DON'T FUCKING DRESS LIKE AN EMO. 'People' don't dress you in the morning, you're not a senile old man.

Edited October 18, 2006 by Cap'n Jean-Luc Picaaaarghd