The England thread

[MDK]

This is particularly bad. Tom Cleverly is just what we need.

[brenchill]

We need Tom Cleverly like a hole in the bollock

[MDK]

Aimless balls

[Colly]

For all the slating of Hodgson, sadly this is what he's got to play with. Cleverly, Wilshere, Walcott et al, with his entire forward line injured. A draw in Ukraine isn't a bad result at all.

[ZJ Penn]

Urgh, what a waste of time.

Bring back Beckham I say.

[MDK]

The result isn't bad, I grant you, but we haven't exactly played well

[Lineker]

Gutted Lamps didn't score then.

[MDK]

After all that and our best chance comes from a long throw in.

Pulis for manager

[Ant]

Those loud bangs in the ground are England fans shooting themselves

[Starvinho]

God awful game to watch but a very good result. Just hope we don't fuck it up in our home games now.

[brenchill]

We should do a lap of honour to celebrate that result.

[Berober]

I just turned it on my laptop and even the ITV webstream didn't want to load, as if it were trying to stop me. Can't blame them by the sound of it.

[Colly]

Really? This barely scrapes the top ten.

I dunno, this is pretty bad. I give it 4 years before we're losing these games and fighting for play-off spots.

Better that than not qualifying in 94 and Euro 08, or even our alleged attendance at the last World Cup.

[Lineker]

I think when they brought up the updated table before the ad break, Chiles was asleep.

[brenchill]

Really? This barely scrapes the top ten.

I dunno, this is pretty bad. I give it 4 years before we're losing these games and fighting for play-off spots.

Better that than not qualifying in 94 and Euro 08, or even our alleged attendance at the last World Cup.

Those two tournaments were 14 years apart. We qualified for every tournament before and after them (mostly, anyway)...

I think scrapping for play-off spots will be a permanent thing. Not a blip on the radar.

[King Ellis]

England are so shit, I give it 4 years before we're losing to San Marino, Andorra or Scotland.

[stokeriño]

I think scrapping for play-off spots will be a permanent thing. Not a blip on the radar.

If we're still only scraping through with the Euros expanded to 24 teams, then Good Lord...

[Colly]

This feels rather knee jerk. Dimished squad away to second in the group, clean sheet. Works for me.

I'd almost rather scrape through with lower expectations than boss qualifying Capello style, then turn in that Wolrd Cup performance.

[brenchill]

I just want us to do so shit that they have to do something at the FA to help the national side.

[MDK]

I just want us to do so shit that they have to do something at the FA to help the national side.

Sorry, I've retired from international football.