Euro 2020(1)

[Dang117]

This is the first time in my life I've looked at England side and thought were are actually a decent team and they link up like a team as well this is probably our best side we've had because there a unit

[Bobfoc]

I'd rather England had a likable manager who didn't win tournaments than a nasty one who did.

[Liam]

There is an odd level of reaction to the teams that England played. Croatia and Czech Republic 'aren't that good', yet are still teams that pushed Spain to the limit or knocked out a decent Netherlands side, for example. They weren't poor teams whatsoever and overcoming them as competently as England did is worthy of note.

Ukraine may have also came through as one of the worst qualifiers, but they are in and of themselves a decent team who could cause problems. Add to that beating a Denmark team who were actually on a very strong run of form coming into the tournament, let alone in the tournament itself, shows itself to be a very good outing, before you include things like the win over Germany.

[The Lusophone]

5 minutes ago, Liam said:

There is an odd level of reaction to the teams that England played. Croatia and Czech Republic 'aren't that good', yet are still teams that pushed Spain to the limit or knocked out a decent Netherlands side, for example. They weren't poor teams whatsoever and overcoming them as competently as England did is worthy of note.

Ukraine may have also came through as one of the worst qualifiers, but they are in and of themselves a decent team who could cause problems. Add to that beating a Denmark team who were actually on a very strong run of form coming into the tournament, let alone in the tournament itself, shows itself to be a very good outing, before you include things like the Germany defeat.

This happened after the World Cup too. It's because it's England, can't ever do well on our own merit.

[The Kraig]

12 hours ago, Jimmy said:

I see what you're saying, but in that tournament, Portugal also didn't win a group game or a game in normal time until the semi finals.

For a country like us, who have often had a mental block about knockout matches, this tournament has been huge in terms of winning matches, controlling matches and handling the occasion, regardless of opposition. I'm not saying we're world beaters, I'm saying Southgate is changing our mentality. He's also actively united the whole England squad, whereas past squad couldn't put their club rivalries aside.

I think there's so much in what he's doing, in setting a good foundation for this squad of players, he absolutely deserves to see it through to the next tournament. If he doesn't see beyond that, then he's left us in a much, much better place than we started. 

There is also the huge deal of beating Germany. Not so much the football requires, since Germany are a shell of themselves, but the mental side of it.

4 hours ago, Dang117 said:

This is the first time in my life I've looked at England side and thought were are actually a decent team and they link up like a team as well this is probably our best side we've had because there a unit

And a distinct lack of egotistical wankers.

2 hours ago, Liam said:

There is an odd level of reaction to the teams that England played. Croatia and Czech Republic 'aren't that good', yet are still teams that pushed Spain to the limit or knocked out a decent Netherlands side, for example. They weren't poor teams whatsoever and overcoming them as competently as England did is worthy of note.

Yeah, and saying Scotland are one of the worst teams in the tournament, while they equalled the finalists, just shows how close the quality is between the top teams in Europe at the moment. There is no head-and-shoulders above the rest team right now. It felt like any team could beat any other team at the start of the tournament, and that proved itself many times.

[Lineker]

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One of the organisers of the storming of Wembley by thousands of ticketless fans has defended the widely criticised breach, as more details emerged about the scale of the security lapse.

Pablo (not his real name), 24, from the Midlands, was one of the administrators of a Telegram chat group of hundreds of ticketless fans who shared tips about getting into Sunday’s final. Hours before the kick-off those who succeeded advised those still outside on where breaches had been made, he said.

Speaking to the Guardian, he gave details of how he and about 300 fans entered via an entrance for disabled visitors in block K, and he claimed others bribed stewards to get in. He estimated that at least 5,000 entered without a ticket.

Pablo said he decided to join the so-called “Wembley jib” after trying every day last week to get a legitimate ticket.

He said: “I just thought my dad is 52 and he’s never seen England in a final at Wembley. And it might never happen again in my lifetime. There were 30,000 spare seats and we didn’t sit in anyone’s seat.”

Pablo set up a Telegram chat of around 200 ticketless fans. He was also a member of separate chat group with 500 members called “the Wembley Jib”, and was aware of two other groups including one with 800 members.

Pablo drove down from the Midlands with nine ticketless friends in two cars. All but one of them got in to see the game. He took £250 in cash to pay officials but did not need to use it.

Last week images of real tickets were shared on the chat group, which members used to forge in their own names. Pablo and his friends used such fake tickets to get past a first security check at about 5.15pm. He then regularly checked the Telegram chat for updates on where security had been breached.

Members on the chat claim they got in by bribing stewards for as little as £20. One member said he got in after paying a steward £120. In an audio message on the chat heard by the Guardian, the man explained how the steward had told him to “put the money in my pocket as I’m patting you down”. The man said: “It was probably more than he earned on that shift. Money talks.”

Pablo said: “A lot of stewards seemed more than willing to help. We offered one £200 to let five of us in. At about quarter to seven we were waiting for the steward’s mate to show up and that’s when we saw a disabled door open so we just ran through.

“Every time a disabled entrance was opened there must have been 300 people who got in. And it seemed that every 10 minutes one got yanked open. And that doesn’t count the people who bribed stewards or went behind someone in the turnstiles. I would be shocked if there was less than 5,000 got in without a ticket.”

He added: “When we got in everyone was chanting ‘jib, jib, jib’ up the escalators. We found five empty seats. A family came and one of us was sat in their seat and they seemed a bit moody, but we just moved along one and no one else came.”

In reference to video showing fans attacking ticketless fans who breached security, Pablo said: “We didn’t harm anyone. The people causing the trouble were the ones fighting ticketless fans.”

Asked how Wembley could stop similar breaches Pablo said: “If there were four of five police officers behind each disabled entrance, that would deter people. Stewards aren’t enough to put you off. But Wembley probably won’t be jibbed on that scale again unless we get the World Cup in 2030.”

An FA spokesperson said a full investigation would take place in collaboration with the police. “The security and stewarding numbers for the final exceeded the requirements for the match and were greater than any other previous event at Wembley stadium,” the spokesperson said.

 

 

[Lineker]

The Government is changing the football banning order regime to cover online racism, Boris Johnson told MPs at Prime Minister's Questions.

[Hobo]

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Pablo (not his real name), 24, from the Midlands, was one of the administrators of a Telegram chat group of hundreds of ticketless fans who shared tips about getting into Sunday’s final. Hours before the kick-off those who succeeded advised those still outside on where breaches had been made, he said.

Ah yes, the messaging service commonly used by far right groups.

[The Kraig]

"No one likes us, we don't care".