EWR 2013 Stats Update: October ***PLEASE USE SPOILER TAGS***

[Skummy]

He hasn't regularly competed in over two years. Having one match is not regularly competing.

Ok, your point is what exactly? He still had a one-off appearance. What if he does something like that this year?

My point is that what you've described is exactly what the non-wrestler role exists for in EWR.

[Lineker]

He hasn't regularly competed in over two years. Having one match is not regularly competing.

Ok, your point is what exactly? He still had a one-off appearance. What if he does something like that this year?

My point is that what you've described is exactly what the non-wrestler role exists for in EWR.

Key words there are WHAT IF. If he does, then it can be reflecting in that month's data.

[fusionFX!]

So are we gonna be making everybody still listed as active on Cagematch non-wrestlers?

[kdcastles]

So are we gonna be making everybody still listed as active on Cagematch non-wrestlers?

If they are only wrestling once a year, then yes, they should be non-wrestlers. Do us a favor and figure out all those type of people. Thanks.

[fusionFX!]

Doesn't matter, either way, I'm gonna make him a wrestler in my game.

[snakesonaplane]

- Black Buffalo is a lightweight(198 lbs). Change finishers to Buffalo Slicer(Ground) and Buffalo Driver(Impact). Newer Pic: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/prowrestling/images/b/b3/Black_Buffalo.jpg

I registered just to say this after lurking for months... You appear to use cagematch as the only (main?) source for some of your changes, please don't take this the wrong way... but I find that really unhelpful and I don't mean to pick on you but it really bothers me when people suggest incorrect changes, as not only does it make the mod inaccurate, it's a waste of the mod makers time - and modding EWR/TEW requires a lot of time and patience.

My suggestion would be, If you don't genuinely follow a worker, area, or promotion you shouldn't make suggestions about them.

I'm pretty sure considering you're a US fan who 'marks' for The Shield and Christian York you don't watch much puroresu? If this is the case, I would advise against making suggestions for puroresu workers as the info is not necessarily as accessible on the net as other areas, and requires more specialised knowledge. If you do wish to make these suggestions then at least consult multiple sources before posting suggestions for 'corrections' (in the case of Black Buffalo, consulting literally any other available source would have yielded information contrary to your suggestion, just google 'black buffalo puroresu'.

In the case of Black Buffalo, a 'recent' pic of him would actually include the fact that he unmasked something like 5 years ago,

His billed weight (check Osaka Pro's website, though I'm not sure if you know that that's his main promotion?) is actually 209 lbs not 198 lbs, maybe that was correct five years ago or more, but Buffalo is ageing and this is no longer correct.

Also his finishers should be Lariat (impact), and Backdrop Suplex (impact). These are the moves he uses to win matches these days, when he does get a pinfall at least. Moreover, the Slicer has never been a finisher, it's an apron leg-drop - i.e. a trademark move. I suspect as it is listed on his cagematch profile under his trademark holds you've just plonked it in from there without thinking about it... cagematch does mention its an apron leg drop though so that should have sent off alarm bells.

Funnily enough the two suggestions you made for his finishers, are basically just the first two moves listed in his 'trademark holds' section on cagematch. That's not a good basis for determining what his finishers are as its not a list of 'finishers'.. Ironically his actual main finisher, Lariat, is listed in that section but you didn't choose to mention it here, presumably as it was the third move listed and not in the first two.

Like I said please don't take this the wrong way but as a fan of puroresu I want the workers of the area to be as accurate as possible and it frustrates me that people would make suggestions about it when they're not really a fan.

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Also, this jumped out at me because I follow puroresu, I can't really comment on your other suggestions as i'm not familiar with any of those workers. However, given the type of mistakes involved with the example above, I can't help but think you may be replicating some of these mistakes with your other suggestions... presuming you do similar 'research'. For me, this undermines the credibility of your suggestions generally.

Peace.

Edited October 11, 2013 by snakesonaplane

[fusionFX!]

I'm just simply going through the whole list of workers in the game and making changes that are accurate TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. This is a forum based on making suggestions to add to the game. If they're not correct, simply state that in your post, don't keep ranting and raving about it through the whole post. A simple "that's not correct" is acceptable, but no, you had to get frustrated over a simple suggestion. Learn to grow up kid.

Edited October 11, 2013 by fusionFX!

[snakesonaplane]

I don't understand, I've tried to be as friendly as possible whilst communicating my concerns about your suggestions, there's no need to tell me to 'grow up', or call me 'kid' - where have I shown any level of immaturity to justify that?

Furthermore, I suspect I am probably significantly older than you, as by your expression I suspect you may be a teenager or early 20s at the very oldest. Either way, perhaps you should take your own advice - and in so doing, learn how to take criticism.

fusionFX! says: "Im just simply going through the whole list of workers in the game and make changes that are accurate."

I've just demonstrated clearly that that isn't the case, and so instead of telling me to go jump, perhaps you should reconsider your research methods, and contributions.

fusionFX! says: "If they're not correct, simply state that in your post, don't keep ranting and raving about it through the whole post."

My statement was carefully and politely constructed, by definition it was not a 'rant'. The reason why I explained myself is because I felt it was worth pointing out to you the error in your approach to suggestions. You shouldn't make suggestions about people and places you are unfamilar about, period. And if you do, don't rely on a single source. It's pretty clear that if you would do this for Black Buffalo it's plausible you would do it elsewhere, meaning - a large number of your suggestions may be inaccurate, undermining the usefulness of your posts.

Instead of being rude and dismissing me, you could have maybe acknowledged your mistake? Explained yourself in some way? Admitted you didn't know the worker? Or made the admission that you would check multiple sources in future before making suggestions about people you know nothing about. Instead you insulted me and pushed your head back into the sand, and thus learned nothing... and I suspect you will continue to make more incorrect suggestions. It's only that most of the workers you deal with are obscure that more people can't question the veracity of your claims.

The reason I went at length to explain my objection is that I suspect your method of researching these changes is flawed (mainly based on very limited sources), which means your large list of 'changes' is actually polluting the data on a massive scale, creating less accurate data, and wasting the mod-makers time. If I felt like saying 'that's wrong' would challenge you to reevaluate the utility of your contributions here I would have said that, instead I feel like its necessary that I at least attempt to have a discussion with your about your methods; but hey ignore if you wish.

Edit: Can't get the quote tags to work properly

Edited October 11, 2013 by snakesonaplane

[fusionFX!]

Look back at last month's update. You'll see all the suggestions I made, I went by cagematch and cagematch only. Quit bitching. As for the age, yeah I'm early twenties. What of it?

[=BK=]

Look back at last month's update. You'll see all the suggestions I made, I went by cagematch and cagematch only. Quit bitching. As for the age, yeah I'm early twenties. What of it?

With the way things normally go on EWB I've been on your side when it comes to people taking shots at your suggestions without having anything worthwhile to say themselves but seriously, now you're being a dick. snakesonaplane came in here and did it right. He's not ranting, he's not bitching. He's correcting and criticizing. Take it and move on.

[fusionFX!]

I get what you're saying but he didn't have to cause a big scene behind his post. I mean a simple "that's not correct" would have been totally acceptable. But he just had to continue ranting on and on about it. But sure Kirkland. I shall accept it and just "move on".

[Sousa]

He didn't cause a big scene. He made a long, detailed post with sources to back up what he said. "A big scene" would be looking at that and getting into a sweary boldface "IT'S JUST MY OPINION" rant in response.

[snakesonaplane]

Look back at last month's update. You'll see all the suggestions I made, I went by cagematch and cagematch only. Quit bitching. As for the age, yeah I'm early twenties. What of it?

I'm only qualified to make suggestions/corrections on workers that I am familar with. If I see more changes that are incorrect I will point them out in future, I don't really have any intention of retrospectively correcting mistakes though. If it's true that you 'only' go by cagematch then I would suggest broadening your reference list, as relying on a single source - particularly for workers you aren't familiar with at all yourself - is just asking for trouble... the mistakes with Black Buffalo should highlight this clearly and make you reconsider your approach. A simple wikipedia search of Black Buffalo for example, would have highlighted the errors I mentioned.

'Quit bitching'? Right, well I guess we have a difference of opinion on the importance of doing stats right.

As for your age, it's not relevant to me - just that you told me to 'grow up' and then called me 'kid', despite the fact that you are my junior.

Edited October 11, 2013 by snakesonaplane

[Sousa]

Get the cloning machine, I want the EWR forums to be nobody but Bill and this guy.

[Your Mom]

Black Buffalo gained 10 overness from all the buzz this thread caused

But seriously Fusion calm down.

[Paige Turner]

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[fusionFX!]

According to Cagematch, Darren Young is 29: http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=2040&name=Fred+Sampson

According to Wikipedia, Darren Young is 33: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Young

Everybody knows you can't trust Wikipedia, because anyone can edit it. So lower his age to 29.

[Colly]

:/

[Lineker]

According to Cagematch, "Any piece of information is 20% more credible if it appears to be a quote".

[Sousa]

Wikipedia has gotten this information from Online World of Wrestling, which is a website that nobody can edit (see that 1 beside it? that's called an endnote citation, which indicates research on the part of the author.).

Now. A Google search conforms with your answer but also has a reporting mechanism whereby a user can report any errors, which indicates to me that their method is also imperfect. A site called Famous Birthdays corroborates the Wiki article and OWW; near as I can tell, it also has no easy method of editing by a user.

A reasonable question to ask is "How can we square this circle?" Saying that one answer is more valid because "anybody can edit Wikipedia" (which, I reiterate, is a site with a research policy in place) doesn't make any sense--particularly when Cagematch has been proven demonstrably wrong about something within the past day.