2021 MLB Season / 21-22 Offseason Thread

[Your Mom]

Yeah I think we got a little desperate. I like all our returns but the Bryant trade

[gunnar hendershow]

Yeah that return is rough. Suspect the Rockies weren't able to get much different for Story and that's why they're taking their shot with the QO and draft pick.

[Mx. Canadian Destroyer]

2 hours ago, Krabby said:

I've heard this is a good return for the twins, know anything @Mx. Canadian Destroyer ?

Yeah, lots of Jays fans think this was an overpay but I see it as a good return for a guy with another year of control at a decent price.

Martin looks great, though not a ton of power so far. His defense might need some work but he'll be fine. He was pretty much blocked at any position in the Jays system.

Woods-Richardson seemed on the verge of a breakout. Lots of talk that he'd be coming up this year. Great arm with good stuff. 

[The Buscher]

3 hours ago, Buschie Kay said:

Essentially all of their eggs are now in the basket of hoping deGrom and Carrasco can stay on the mound the rest of the way.  Any setback in the pitching department and I don't see this team making it to October baseball.

Well that was fun while it lasted.  2.5 hours after the deadline passed which saw the Mets add no pitching, GM Zack Scott announces deGrom has elbow inflammation and will not throw for two more weeks.  Given he’ll have to go through rehab, soonest he can possibly return now is September.

I know you can’t replace deGrom and maybe the available starters weren’t great, but they could have at least grabbed a couple of useful low cost relievers to help cover that the bullpen is gonna be taxed even more next month.

[gunnar hendershow]

@Buschie Kay must be losing his fucking mind. Mets don't trade for a starter and 2 hours after the deadline they announce deGrom is shut down for another 2 weeks and then 3 hours after the trade deadline Carrasco gives up a HR on his very first pitch as a Met.

You can't make this shit up. Only the Mets. Unreal.

😆 Looks like we posted about this at the exact same time.

[Your Mom]

Not my Mets!  We should have added more at the deadline

[Your Mom]

Rizz homered for the Yankees. He is still wearing his Chicago batting gloves!

[gunnar hendershow]

Matt Harvey is somehow in the midst of an 18-inning scoreless streak. 

[The Buscher]

Not a single clutch hitter to be found on this Mets team and for as good of a player Baez is overall, he’s another free swinger in a lineup already filled with them.

Since being 10 games over .500 and with a commanding division lead, they have gone 18-22 and their lead has been cut in half. Being in first place for 90 days is more of a product of being in a terrible division than anything else.  They are not a particularly good ball club.

[Lowerdeck]

So the Red Sox needed a 1B and pitching.  They got Schwarber - either to play 1B or move Marwin Gonzalez there.  Then a couple of relievers, one who coughs up homers and the other I never heard of but they moved Chavis to get him.

I really would have liked a starter to get Garrett Richards the fuck out of Boston.  But that never happened.  And all those Rizzo to Boston rumors sting worse knowing he went to the Yanks.

[Gabriel]

I keep seeing a lot of negativity about the Berrios trade, but I think it was actually really good for the team. Martin wasn't going to be playing major league ball for the Jays any time soon and has cooled off this season. Woods-Richardson has electric stuff, and he's got a great personality and work ethic, but he's had a rough year down at Double A and has fallen down the pitching prospect depth chart.

Berrios, we may only have for this season and next, but who is to say that he doesn't end up sticking around beyond that? Culture goes a long way, and this isn't the Toronto Blue Jays of the 2000's. Players want to play for this team and with this core. If the franchise feels like the money is worthwhile to be spent, they'll spend it. If Berrios works out and sticks around, this looks so much better in hindsight. If Berrios helps us get into the playoffs this year OR next and then leaves? I still think it's a win. We've gotta bridge the gap between the Ryu's and the Pearson's. Berrios is a legitimate ace caliber starter that will provide exactly that, at the very least.

It's a good deal.

The Jays are a much better team now than they were a month ago, and it's all about the pitching. It would have been nice to add an experienced catcher like Gomes, but if it would have cost us an MLB player, I am happy they didn't pull the trigger.

[MalaCloudy Black]

Bryant makes his Giants debut Sunday.

[The Buscher]

Baez' Mets debut

@Your Mom @CLDY

[Your Mom]

3 hours ago, Buschie Kay said:

Baez' Mets debut

@Your Mom @CLDY

That's our boy! He has truly left the nest  

[The Buscher]

The Mets are not signing Rocker.

Wow.  I just assumed they’d agree to a lesser deal since Rocker would have no real leverage re-entering the draft next year.  For them to just pull the offer entirely and roll the pick to next year is very telling.

They must feel his elbow is absolutely wrecked.  Some reporters are saying they have concerns over his shoulder too, which might be even worse.

It’s not a total loss for the Mets as they’ll get the #11 pick next year in addition to their regular pick.  But still, in the span of two days they traded away their 2020 first round pick and now didn’t sign their 2021 first rounder.  Not a great look.

[gunnar hendershow]

Almost sounds like the Mets had buyers remorse on that pick. 

Sucks for Rocker, wouldn't be surprised if we never see him in the majors or at best as a middle reliever.

 

[The Buscher]

There have been eight unsigned draft picks since 2000, only two made it to the big leagues and none played more than five years.  As unfortunate as it is, history supports walking away if the concern is that great.

If there's any real screw up here, it's that the Mets failed to draft any "unsignable" guys in rounds 11-20.  This is usually something teams do as a failsafe in case one of their early picks falls through.  The Mets will receive the slot bonus from Rocker's pick in next year's pool but they were giving him $1.4 million over slot.  So essentially they wasted $1.4 million that could have been used to potentially sign a 2nd or 3rd round talent that was otherwise going to be undrafted because they were going to college unless blown away with an offer.

[Your Mom]

I don't need Rizzo, Bryant or Baez. I have Rafael "3 homers in a game" Ortega now!

[The Buscher]

Sandy Alderson ran the Padres from 2005-2008 and the Mets from 2011-18 and now in 2021.

In those 13 seasons at the helm, he had only two teams that finished in the top half of the NL in runs scored. One of those teams was the 2011 Mets, which was just Omar Minaya's team that he inherited with Wright, Reyes, and Beltran with the latter two in their walk years. The other team was the 2015 Mets who were one of the worst offenses in the league until Cespedes got there and had one of the best tears in team history. Even after that the team barely finished 7th in the NL in runs.

You actually have to go back to the early 90s A's to find the last time he ran a team that had a consistently potent offense.

I really have no idea why so many around the league view Alderson as some sort of genius. He has a decades-long history of producing some of the worst offenses in the sport.

[gunnar hendershow]

Those A's teams he oversaw had a fair amount of *ahem* help with their offensive production.