Champions League 2013/14

[Colly]

Isn't the penalty enough of a deterrent?

Not when the alternative is conceding a goal.

[brenchill]

Sin bin?

[Colly]

I just think it's incredibly harsh to give a penalty and send your goalkeeper off. If a defender is the last man and commits a foul then fair enough, but it just seems too much to send a keeper off on top of giving a pen.

I'd actually flip that the other way, if a defender takes someone out last man in the box they still have a keeper to beat and the pen is a similar situation, whereas in this case Robben's tapping it into an empty net if he isn't fouled, the penalty is actually a worse situation then he'd be in without the foul.

This is where the "penalty is enough of a goalscoring chance" argument sometimes doesn't hold up. In the situation you described, which happened tonight, it's not just denying a goalscoring chance, but denying a guaranteed goal.

The 'clear goalscoring opportunity' thing is too vague for me, foul a man with your last defender thirty yards out and it's a red despite the fact there's still a keeper to beat, whereas this was literally a tap in.

[stokeriño]

That should have been a penalty by Koscielny on Muller, surely.

[Baddar]

So, how about fouls by defenders where the GK is still in a position to make a save (the Messi incident) are booked and it's a pen, but players, not just goalkeepers who deny what's deemed to be a guaranteed goal are sent off?

I say players too as there could be a situation where the keeper is rounded and then a defender hacks someone down.

[MJB]

That should have been a penalty by Koscielny on Muller, surely.

Absolutely. The two assistants should probably have given it though as the referee might have been looking through bodies.

[brenchill]

Another striker on. Looks like Bayern are going for a 2nd.

[Baddar]

If this ends 0-1, they'll be in with a real shout. 0-2 and it's probably tie over.

[brenchill]

I just think Arsenal are so lightweight in the ST position. They are 1 great striker away from being able to challenge on all front, IMO.

And it's 2-0. Muller.

[stokeriño]

Huh, deja vu.

[Baddar]

And, just like last night, a 2nd is added. Tie over.

[MJB]

Tie over.

[brenchill]

Eerily similar to last night's game.

[Sam]

Red card costs a team again.

[MJB]

Two down, two remain.

[brenchill]

So close from Kroos. They are looking for a 3rd.

[Baddar]

Could so easily have been 3.

[Kaney]

Not entirely surprised but it's nice to think we didn't get demolished.

[brenchill]

Guardiola really is a glorious man.

[Baddar]

Not entirely surprised but it's nice to think we didn't get demolished.

There's always the 2nd leg.