Trey Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Isn't he a 5th degree blackblet it tae kwon do? Wiki says he is and I know he's trained in it for years, so it's not like he's just a sideshow. It'd all be in the promotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Tae kwon do has never really transmitted itself in to being super effective in MMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Or fighting Booker T. That might have meant something if this was 1993 again and Teila Tuli was a probable opponent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trey Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) *EDIT* Nevermind, I thought we were talking about something completely different. Edited June 21, 2010 by Trey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 They can also promote Herschel Walker for the absolute American Football legend that he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trey Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I edited it after but you saw it. I had two MMA threads up at once and I got them mixed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 S'alright I am just interested as to whether he will fight, but you have to think that whoever he fights will not exactly be top level competition... :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trey Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I'm guessing you're talking Batista. Strikeforce is denying that he has a contract but if he's wanting to fight they'd be dumb to not let him fight at least once for the ratings spike, especially if they have another CBS show coming up in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kiniski Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 Tae kwon do has never really transmitted itself in to being super effective in MMA No, not really actually. Tae Kwon Do is where most high kicks come from due to it's deep history in kickboxing. The style is actually parent form of kickboxing which translates over extremely well. Just ask guys like Sean Salmon. It usually gets lumped in with Muay Thai these days which is backwards as the elbows and knees come from Muay Thai and the high kicks and hip rotation (Mirko left head kick style) is a direct result of the Tae Kwon Do being directly transmitted into the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 I meant pure tae kwon do div. I would like to see a guy who is only good in tae kwon do do well in MMA with out their hands up as a guard. Even Joe Rogan who is very proficient at tae kwon do said in a real fight it it pretty useless, with the exception of the balance and speed you gain from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kiniski Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 I meant pure tae kwon do div. I would like to see a guy who is only good in tae kwon do do well in MMA with out their hands up as a guard. Even Joe Rogan who is very proficient at tae kwon do said in a real fight it it pretty useless, with the exception of the balance and speed you gain from it. Well if that is the argument then nothing has transitioned well into modern Mixed Martial Arts. There are no pure divisions in MMA. Every good form needs a secondary, at the least, art to support it. Wrestlers needs boxing, boxers need jiu jitsu, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu practitioners need Muay Thai. Tae Kwon Do isn't an exception to the one dimensional rule of MMA so a "pure division" would be a tournament or sparring session, much like jui jitsu and the CBJJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerhart Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 Tae kwon do has never really transmitted itself in to being super effective in MMA You saw those old school kicks Crocop connected on Pat Barry? That's tae kwon do at it's finest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 No, my arguement starts here: Liver Kick>Anything in Tae Kwon Do. And talks about the fighters that have successfully transfered their skill base to MMA and grown from their, Tae Kwon Do guys are never effective All I will say about the relative effectivness of Tae Kwon Do is that wrestlers, Kick Boxers and BJJ experts have transitioned effectively, you rarely here about Tae Kwon Do guys going in to MMA and doing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kiniski Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 No, my arguement starts here: Liver Kick>Anything in Tae Kwon Do. And talks about the fighters that have successfully transfered their skill base to MMA and grown from their, Tae Kwon Do guys are never effective All I will say about the relative effectivness of Tae Kwon Do is that wrestlers, Kick Boxers and BJJ experts have transitioned effectively, you rarely here about Tae Kwon Do guys going in to MMA and doing well. So, you agree with me then? I'm not attacking you, btw, I'm just not sure exactly WHAT it is that you're trying to argue about Tae Kwon Do because you're arguments are seemingly contradicting. You say Tae Kwon Do hasn't transitioned well, but Kick Boxing has? Did you skip this sentence in my earlier reply: Tae Kwon Do is where most high kicks come from due to it's deep history in kickboxing. The style is actually parent form of kickboxing which translates over extremely well. If Tae Kwon Do is a parent form of kick boxing and kick boxing has transitioned well into Mixed Martial Arts then hasn't Tae Kwon Do transitioned well into the sport? Even Powerhart provided a great insight that I touched on before with the Mirko, Pat Barry, Gabriel Gonzaga, Rashad Evans, Chuck Liddell and many others. They have all knocked someone out using one of the most utilized kicks in the sport today which is a Tae Kwon Do kick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerhart Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 No, my arguement starts here: Liver Kick>Anything in Tae Kwon Do. And talks about the fighters that have successfully transfered their skill base to MMA and grown from their, Tae Kwon Do guys are never effective All I will say about the relative effectivness of Tae Kwon Do is that wrestlers, Kick Boxers and BJJ experts have transitioned effectively, you rarely here about Tae Kwon Do guys going in to MMA and doing well. So, you agree with me then? I'm not attacking you, btw, I'm just not sure exactly WHAT it is that you're trying to argue about Tae Kwon Do because you're arguments are seemingly contradicting. You say Tae Kwon Do hasn't transitioned well, but Kick Boxing has? Did you skip this sentence in my earlier reply: Tae Kwon Do is where most high kicks come from due to it's deep history in kickboxing. The style is actually parent form of kickboxing which translates over extremely well. If Tae Kwon Do is a parent form of kick boxing and kick boxing has transitioned well into Mixed Martial Arts then hasn't Tae Kwon Do transitioned well into the sport? Even Powerhart provided a great insight that I touched on before with the Mirko, Pat Barry, Gabriel Gonzaga, Rashad Evans, Chuck Liddell and many others. They have all knocked someone out using one of the most utilized kicks in the sport today which is a Tae Kwon Do kick. I think his arguing point is that there aren't any specialists in Tae Kwon Do that have done good in MMA. I could be very wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 When I say Kick boxing i generally mean the Thai Boxing style that comes out of Europe, primarily the Netherlands. And it's not just a Tae Kwon Do kick, nothing ever tends to be just one martial art. The Kimura is not just a BJJ move it is used in judo, sambo and catch wrestling, all with different names. You are twisting what I am saying to prove a point which I am attempting to disprove. you get Thai boxing practioners, Muay Thai practioners, BJJ practioners, Judo, sambo, wrestling, boxing, etc... all come in to the sport and do well. I have not in my recollection seen a pure Tae Kwon Do guy come in and do well By using the arguements "well this guy uses this technique from tae kwon do effectively", thats fine, but the guys aren't tae kwon do guys, not even Barry (sanshou) and Cro Cop (much more K-1) aren't, all the guys you metnioned are high level guys who have taken elements from plenty of mixed martial arts, what it says to me is "Mixed martial arts is effective in Mixed Martial Arts." and this I can not disagree with. Powerhart gets it (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kiniski Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 Then his argument defeats the entire purpose of the sport. Bas Rutten was a Tae Kwon Do specialist with a Karate background as well (which I incorrectly cited in The Ring the other day. I accidentally, while knowing his history, switched the two in order of his training. Sorry MPH). Any successful kick boxer that has transitioned to Mixed Martial Arts is an Tae Kwon Do specialist, which is my point. Also, I'm not arguing that Tae Kwon Do is superior in the sport because we all know that BJJ is the entire foundation, but an arm bar is going to help on the feet against a Dennis Siver spinning back kick. Your wording does clear it up a bit though, Powerhart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 How is "Pure tae kwon do" not a clear indication of what I am on about? FFS, you claim I skim yours, but then at least read mine properly before you get on your pulpit, jeez. If I had wanted to talk about tae kwon do as an element is effective I would have said that "An element of tae kwon do could be effective in MMA" Vastly different statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kiniski Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 (edited) When I say Kick boxing i generally mean the Thai Boxing style that comes out of Europe, primarily the Netherlands. And it's not just a Tae Kwon Do kick, nothing ever tends to be just one martial art. The Kimura is not just a BJJ move it is used in judo, sambo and catch wrestling, all with different names. You are twisting what I am saying to prove a point which I am attempting to disprove. you get Thai boxing practioners, Muay Thai practioners, BJJ practioners, Judo, sambo, wrestling, boxing, etc... all come in to the sport and do well. I have not in my recollection seen a pure Tae Kwon Do guy come in and do well By using the arguements "well this guy uses this technique from tae kwon do effectively", thats fine, but the guys aren't tae kwon do guys, not even Barry (sanshou) and Cro Cop (much more K-1) aren't, all the guys you metnioned are high level guys who have taken elements from plenty of mixed martial arts, what it says to me is "Mixed martial arts is effective in Mixed Martial Arts." and this I can not disagree with. Powerhart gets it (Y) K-1 is a kick boxing promotion not a style, Rich. You're making me sad here. I get what you are going for now as well too. Half of my point was also "Mixed Martial Arts is effective in Mixed Martial Arts" while the other half was that Tae Kwon is often overlooked while it is just as effective in the sport as BJJ, Muay Thai, etc. and is a base of kick boxing which has been dominant. I think we should be on the same page now. Edited June 22, 2010 by Gene Kiniski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kiniski Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 How is "Pure tae kwon do" not a clear indication of what I am on about? FFS, you claim I skim yours, but then at least read mine properly before you get on your pulpit, jeez. If I had wanted to talk about tae kwon do as an element is effective I would have said that "An element of tae kwon do could be effective in MMA" Vastly different statements. I'm not FFS, I'm Toffee Crisp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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