Premier League 2023/24

[stokeriño]

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Chelsea have beaten a side starting the day above them in the Premier League table for the first time since May 2021 (a 2-1 win against 3rd placed Leicester having started the day 4th themselves), ending their 18-game winless run against such opposition in the competition (D5 L13)

lmao what the fuck

[METALMAN]

It was winning the Champions League what sent them on this downward spiral

[Colly]

Bit of detail from Dale Johnson's ESPN column on the Diaz goal.

"Seven seconds later, the VAR team realised their error. Panic set in, but they decided they couldn't go against protocol so they let play continue. But in this situation, where a very serious mistake has been identified within seconds of the restart, football would rather the VAR went against protocol to achieve the fairest outcome for the game. The match should have been stopped.

Not only did the VAR team fail to react, but also the management team, which could have stepped in and told the VAR team to roll the game back.

There was the opportunity to fix it, and it was missed."

They shat it basically. https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38512240/the-var-review-went-wrong-luis-diaz-goal?_nocache

[The Lusophone]

This is one of those mistakes that likely won't ever be seen again. This is Graham Poll three yellow cards levels of mistake.

[Lineker]

15 minutes ago, FestiveJack said:

This is one of those mistakes that likely won't ever be seen again. This is Graham Poll three yellow cards levels of mistake.

It's almost justice for Pedro Mendes.  

[Colly]

It's very bad.

 

 

[DavidMarrio]

But they even themselves out and other bad decisions in the past and all that tribalism bollocks....

Absolute incompetence and a farce

[Lineker]

Both true statements.

[Szumi]

Yeah, that audio is incredibly damning. Credit to Michael Oliver though. He was trying to get the game delayed and VAR and AVAR both just flat out refused.

[DavidMarrio]

4 minutes ago, Lineker said:

Both true statements.

How often do you get a situation as bad as that though. Bit different then your usual subjective iffy decisions. You'd be singing a different tune if that was the other way round.

[Lineker]

Oh 100% agree. It's almost Stuart Atwell phantom goal bad.

[Cymbols]

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[DavidMarrio]

Just now, Cymbols said:

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Up there with our sweaty kits are making us play bad....

[Hobo]

tbh every club in the league and its supporters should be mad at that and not give way to "lol liverpool" sentiment. The latter doesn't help improve the situation.

[Lineker]

4 minutes ago, Hobo said:

tbh every club in the league and its supporters should be mad at that and not give way to "lol liverpool" sentiment. The latter doesn't help improve the situation.

It can be both.

[Adam]

37 minutes ago, Szumi - A Polack said:

Yeah, that audio is incredibly damning. Credit to Michael Oliver though. He was trying to get the game delayed and VAR and AVAR both just flat out refused.

Edited this bit, having rewatched with subtitles - yes Oliver asked to delay the game.

The whole thing is a disgrace. I've no idea why they are talking to each other in such a way, so quickly moving through it all, never once having it stated what the on-field decision was. Saying "good process" to each other and calling each other "mate".

Arguably worst of all, when they realise the fuck up there's no way to call play back? 10 seconds of nothing had occurred on the pitch, yet we've seen VAR decisions call back play for retrospective penalties that lasted far longer and involved more crucial game moments in the past.

They need to completely change how they do VAR after this.

[DavidMarrio]

12 minutes ago, Hobo said:

tbh every club in the league and its supporters should be mad at that and not give way to "lol liverpool" sentiment. The latter doesn't help improve the situation.

Yeah but anti-Liverpool/scouse rhetoric always trumps common sense thinking in football. Any chance to score points, "Always the victims" and all that jazz. 

[The Lusophone]

I wonder if this could've been avoided if there wasn't so much pressure for checks to be done quickly now...

[Colly]

It's really bad, but at least the audio confirms it was just a really stupid error and not the conspiracy that many online have been whinging on about. At very least hopefully they'll now learn that "check complete" isn't a very useful phrase when one side doesn't confirm what check has been made. As @FestiveJack (why are you permanently festive?) says it's one of these absurd freak occurrences that are incredibly unlikely to happen again.

As far as wider calls of replaying games/dumping VAR etc it's a complete nonsense. The onfield decision was no goal, so dumping VAR changes nothing there (other than cancelling out Jones correct red card). It's a stinker of a decision, but in the olden days it's just a wrong tight offside call that we got all the time and lived with. I certainly don't think it's any worse than the awful VAR overturn when Newcastle played Palace at home last season which I still think is the worst VAR intervention I've ever seen and hopefully ever will.

[The Lusophone]

@Colly laziness on my part mostly. 

30 minutes ago, Adam said:

Edited this bit, having rewatched with subtitles - yes Oliver asked to delay the game

I think this was actually Oli Kohout (great name):