Marvel Cinematic Universe Movie Thread

[arwrestling]

2 hours ago, El Hijosh del Ice Cream said:

Yeah, the design choices are incredible, especially the costuming. The choice of going back to African styles of a few hundred years ago, then imagining what they would become today without impediment from colonialism paid dividends. Everything looks so rich and spectacular.

I have to say that aside from costumes and the props/weaponry... When I saw the set for the Korean Casino... That was truly a sight to behold. Maybe it's just because it's what I do for a living, but my eyes lit up when they did the entrance shot of that location and I was enthralled by the detail and design of it. That was probably my favorite shot of the film.

[probablyoliver]

I loved it, a lot. But it's not without it's faults, and it's comfortably outside my top 5 of the MCU. Michael B Jordan stole the show for me, absolutely wonderful performance and the first genuinely interesting Marvel villain in a long time. But yeah, fantastic film, looked beautiful, well written, great performances across the board but there were a fair few niggling issues I had with it.

[Kaney]

37 minutes ago, Ollie said:

but there were a fair few niggling issues I had with it.

Such as? Not having a dig, interested to hear some criticism.

[probablyoliver]

55 minutes ago, Kaney said:

Such as? Not having a dig, interested to hear some criticism.

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I'm a bit fed up of the over-used Marvel trope of a hero fighting an evil version of themselves, and as good as Michael B Jordan was, as soon as he became 'Black Panther but in Yellow', I lost a fair bit of interest. Iron Man fought Iron Monger, Hulk fought Abomination, Thor had Loki, Ant Man fought Yellow Jacket, Doctor Strange fought, uh, whatever Mads Mikkleson's name was and now we had it again in this, and that's a damned shame because everything else about MBJ's performance was amazing.

I loved the politics of it, but felt it didn't deep delve into it enough, I wish there was more to do with Black Panther's struggle with whether or not to open the gates of Wakanda or not. I just felt it just dipped a toe instead of diving right in, and that's a shame. Plus I would have liked to see more internal struggle from the higher-ups in Wakanda after Kilmonger took over, it just seemed like everyone dropped everything and joined him when he was clearly going to bring forth a lot of problems. The whole 'King or Counrty' angle was great, but they just didn't go all in with it.

I don't think Martin Freeman added anything to it, and that's coming from someone who loves Freeman and liked the character in Civil War.

I also don't think it showed enough of Wakanda. I wanted more internal politics, I wanted to see what was in the buildings, how the people lived, what was actually at stake other than 'vibranium is awesome', and we didn't get that as much.

Also the CGI was kind-of, I dunno, not great. I'm not a fan of CGI at the best of times, but there were a few jarring moments that took me out of it a bit.

 

 

 

All of them are really minor things, because I genuinely loved this film, it just seemed to play it a little on the safe side.

[GoGo Yubari]

I do agree with all of those, more or less! But I also think that given the way Marvel's movies/sequels seem to work I'm pretty hopeful that a sequel would do a lot more worldbuilding/delve into stuff like that. If Ryan Coogler wants to make another one of these Marvel should pretty obviously be throwing a huge sack of money at him to do it.

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Killmonger was really what I was most getting at when I said that Black Panther doesn't really radically reinvent the Marvel movie but in a lot of ways just does what other Marvel movies have tried to do but better. There are tons of elements of other MCU villains in him, from Iron Monger (the ultimately being an evil mirror figure thing) to Hela (long-lost, warlike relative representing the sins of the father). It's just that there are real, contemporary stakes to him that are bigger than things that just happened in a superhero movie, and also that Michael B. Jordan is a hell of an actor.

To me I think it's maybe in my top five but it's getting weird for me to try to rank them now because some of these movies I haven't seen in over five years now. At bare minimum it has a top 3 film villain and continues MCU Phase 3's really good track record with villains, Dr. Strange aside.

[Benjamin]

I think it just sneaked into the top 5 for me? It's getting hard to rank them myself because a lot of it is almost on par with each other, but it's either Black Panther or Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 for me as number 5, with Civil War, Avengers 2, Winter Soldier and the first Guardians above it.

I also want to say that on the villain front:

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What Ollie said has merit, but also that's a result of the source material, as every comic book superhero has their opposite villain. That's one of the most common tropes in comics, and just fiction in general, actually.

 

[Kaney]

13 hours ago, Ollie said:

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I'm a bit fed up of the over-used Marvel trope of a hero fighting an evil version of themselves, and as good as Michael B Jordan was, as soon as he became 'Black Panther but in Yellow', I lost a fair bit of interest. Iron Man fought Iron Monger, Hulk fought Abomination, Thor had Loki, Ant Man fought Yellow Jacket, Doctor Strange fought, uh, whatever Mads Mikkleson's name was and now we had it again in this, and that's a damned shame because everything else about MBJ's performance was amazing.

I loved the politics of it, but felt it didn't deep delve into it enough, I wish there was more to do with Black Panther's struggle with whether or not to open the gates of Wakanda or not. I just felt it just dipped a toe instead of diving right in, and that's a shame. Plus I would have liked to see more internal struggle from the higher-ups in Wakanda after Kilmonger took over, it just seemed like everyone dropped everything and joined him when he was clearly going to bring forth a lot of problems. The whole 'King or Counrty' angle was great, but they just didn't go all in with it.

I don't think Martin Freeman added anything to it, and that's coming from someone who loves Freeman and liked the character in Civil War.

I also don't think it showed enough of Wakanda. I wanted more internal politics, I wanted to see what was in the buildings, how the people lived, what was actually at stake other than 'vibranium is awesome', and we didn't get that as much.

Also the CGI was kind-of, I dunno, not great. I'm not a fan of CGI at the best of times, but there were a few jarring moments that took me out of it a bit.

 

 

 

All of them are really minor things, because I genuinely loved this film, it just seemed to play it a little on the safe side.

That's fair enough, I hadn't really considered some of that but I agree it leaves plenty to dive into in the sequel.

[K]

I knew those little wooden sticks weren't going to be enough to stop those rhinos escaping.

Also I loved the set design for the gorilla tribes mountain home. I don't know why but that really spoke to me.

Anyway it was a good movie.

[Kaney]

Yeah I really liked M'Baku as well, thought it was well dealt with.

[Benjamin]

7th Graders from Brooklyn Watch Black Panther and Give Their Thoughts, and They're Pretty Awesome

[JasonM]

NBA player Harrison Barnes took 150 underprivileged kids to see Black Panther yesterday. Really great to see so many athletes, actors, and other celebrities take their time to help such kids.

I think Black Panther and the story it tells goes a long way to establish a long term coloured pop culture icon. And with the film being as good as it is, T'Challa (and Shuri!) deserves to be the next comic book icon to become widely known. 

[K]

12 minutes ago, Jasonmufc said:

NBA player Harrison Barnes took 150 underprivileged kids to see Black Panther yesterday. Really great to see so many athletes, actors, and other celebrities take their time to help such kids.

I think Black Panther and the story it tells goes a long way to establish a long term coloured pop culture icon. And with the film being as good as it is, T'Challa (and Shuri!) deserves to be the next comic book icon to become widely known. 

A lot of fundraising efforts have been made to send kids to Black Panther, and I've been seeing it happen for that movie with Oprah in it too. I think it's a great idea.

The NYT interviewed a bunch of kids after Black Panther and the results are adorable and inspiring

https://nyti.ms/2BC67Fl

[DFF]

Well, I flipping loved that. 

[Benjamin]

8 hours ago, K said:

A lot of fundraising efforts have been made to send kids to Black Panther, and I've been seeing it happen for that movie with Oprah in it too. I think it's a great idea.

The NYT interviewed a bunch of kids after Black Panther and the results are adorable and inspiring

https://nyti.ms/2BC67Fl

 

22 hours ago, Benjamin said:

7th Graders from Brooklyn Watch Black Panther and Give Their Thoughts, and They're Pretty Awesome

[Lint]

Well now I know what movie I want..

[livid]

Disney just moved the release date for Infinity War up a week to 4/27

[Josh]

Huh.

Any indication why?

[Lint]

RDJ asked them to

Thats an awesome way to announce it

[Tigerstyle]

It's pretty great

[tristy]