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What is the closest Mayweather has come to being defeated?

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Probably against Jose Luis Castillo in 2002. Most observers felt that Castillo had done enough to win the fight on the scorecards. The De La Hoya fight in 2007 was close-ish, and one judge had Mayweather down as the loser, but I found it hard to justify such a verdict.

Mayweather was momentarily rocked by Shane Mosley and Marcos Maidana, but he had enough about him to hold on and recover before comfortably controlling the rest of the fights. It did suggest that he could be vulnerable if he's hit with a big shot, but that's something that's happened so rarely throughout his career, such are his defensive skills. It's difficult to believe that Conor McGregor would be the one to change that.

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I love MMA, I enjoy boxing. I've trained many martial arts, including sparring with boxers at the lower level of the pro ranks. I can say that even then, boxers and MMA boxers throw punches very differently, have very different stances and in general are just completely different. In a fight (MMA/Street), the MMA trained guy will win nine times out of ten due to a wider variety of what he can do, including using his legs and clinch work, and also ground game. In boxing, the MMA trained fighter has near no chance, pro boxers train in boxing. That's their sport, their job. You're not just going to go in and train their style for a month or two and be able to compete with a high level pro (much less someone as talented as Floyd).

 In an MMA fight, I don't think Floyd has a chance in hell. In a boxing match, I don't think Conor has a chance in hell. I do think that Conor has a better chance at beating Floyd in boxing than Floyd has at beating Conor in MMA due simply to the power in his left hand. It'll be hard to get it to land, but if Conor does land that straight left I don't see how Floyd could handle it. He's never been hit by someone that big, that strong. If (and it's a big if) Conor can tag him with a big left hand it could change everything. Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen. I can't stand Floyd and I love Conor, but it's going to be damn near impossible for Conor to pull this one off.

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Am I missing why McGregor is a horrible person? Mayweather has domestic violence previous, but just talking a lot of shit to sell fights doesn't really make someone a horrible person. The guy is about as carny (and canny) about what makes people watch him, so gives them that. Other than that he just seems a fairly regular guy.

Unless I've missed a demonstrative reason for him being called that. I mean, I might have done....?

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Well, using language that stirs up historical racial imagery like repeatedly calling Floyd "boy" and saying "dance for me, boy" or seemingly outright referring to black people as "dancing monkeys" referring to Apollo Creed's gym in Rocky 3, or dodging the question of racism saying he can't be racist because he's “half-black from the belly button down".

He's walked pretty close to the line before, like the way he would talk about favelas and things in the build-up to the Aldo fight.

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2 minutes ago, Arjen Robben said:

Well, using language that stirs up historical racial imagery like repeatedly calling Floyd "boy" and saying "dance for me, boy" or outright referring to black people as "dancing monkeys".

He's walked pretty close to the line before, like the way he would talk about favelas and things in the build-up to the Aldo fight.

Arguably they are both just poor choices of words rather than outright racism though. If I wanted to talk down to another bloke, I'd probably use the term 'boy' due to the derogatory nature of it. You then have the idea of a performing monkey for the second one, which again isn't a great choice of words, but isn't cut and dried racism.

I still think it is a bit of a stretch to call him hideous or awful or yadda yadda yadda. Personal preference though I guess.

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'Monkey' is a racist term any which way you look at it. I'm not clued up on the 'boy' stuff but there's no denying his intention behind referring to 'dancing monkeys'.

They're both being prized clowns, none of the hate speech was needed to sell this fight.

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What Srar said, plus the fact that when he's called on it, he continues to use racist language. He also claims he can't be racist because he listens to rap music. At the very best, he's incredibly ignorant, which still doesn't make what he's saying okay. 

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